Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

is this from leaks I missed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82GOAm_HjuU

[Joshuaj]

Huh...

So the Voidstorm and Voidspire stem from the Dark Hearts power. Neat.

Explains why the drained Dark Heart is housing decor lol

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Well, at least 12.2 has narrowed drastically at this point.

Given the post Quel'danas leak, all this implies is one of 2 things:

1. We face Xal'atath at the Worldcore in 12.2.

2. We face Xal'atath at the Worldcore in TLT, and 12.2 is something else.

Gonna presume the first, since something happens which requires the Titans attention.

[Thomir]

Huh...

So the Voidstorm and Voidspire stem from the Dark Hearts power. Neat.

Explains why the drained Dark Heart is housing decor lol

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Given the post Quel'danas leak, all this implies is one of 2 things:

1. We face Xal'atath at the Worldcore in 12.2.

2. We face Xal'atath at the Worldcore in TLT, and 12.2 is something else.

Gonna presume the first, since something happens which requires the Titans attention.

What leak are you talking about?

[Ersula]

A simple "I have waited a hundred thousand years for this opportunity" would've made a lot more sense, we're now back with the master plan on top of a master plan.

It's not really a contradiction. The whole thing with K'aresh just managed to go very good for her....just like being trapped in a knife did the opposite. She has a plan but not a set timeline.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Now does she accomplish her goal or does something catastrophic happen that causes planetary instability? Either way, I can't deny I do like these developments. Its a far more interesting playspace than the Worldcore first coming into play in TLT.

[JDBlou]

Now does she accomplish her goal or does something catastrophic happen that causes planetary instability? Either way, I can't deny I do like these developments.

Logically it could take the form of Xal deciding on a “Taking you with me” play. We defeat her thoroughly and she decides that is she can’t have the world soul no one can, injuring it critically, and the titan equivalent of a vital monitor showing crashing vitals is what brings the titans back.

Xal’s been shown to be petty enough that it’s not out of the question for her to turn our clean victory into a pyrrhic one.

Or she succeeds in corrupting it before we give her the old "what for", either way I don't think she makes it out of Midnight but the consequences of her actions do.

[Joshuaj]

What leak are you talking about?

Voicelines in the files talking about the events post-raid. I discussed them a few pages back.

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Now does she accomplish her goal or does something catastrophic happen that causes planetary instability? Either way, I can't deny I do like these developments. Its a far more interesting playspace than the Worldcore first coming into play in TLT.

Idk. Either way, if this brings me closer to fighting Sargeras, so be it!

[SaintBigfoot]

TWW final-cinematic

https://youtu.be/82GOAm_HjuU?si=575eAiwknv8vuvcJ


"For a hundred thousand years, I have planned for this moment" - Zovaal vibe)

I like it more and feel it is more deserved namely because we’ve actually been fucking dealing with this character for years compared to Zovaal who we knew nothing about and he gets intried and goes”I’m the biggest bitch on the playground” like why the fuck was I ever supposed to care about that guy? We never knew anything the fuck up about him like fuck we still don’t know anything about him!

[Cheezits]

A simple "I have waited a hundred thousand years for this opportunity" would've made a lot more sense, we're now back with the master plan on top of a master plan.

This time it makes sense- we SEE her doing stuff a hundred thousands years ago (Black Empire) and egging on N'zoth to work with her in the future.

She actually -was- plotting at the time and we have seen it with our own eyes, albeit through a missable lorewalking quest.

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I like it more and feel it is more deserved namely because we’ve actually been fucking dealing with this character for years compared to Zovaal who we knew nothing about and he gets intried and goes”I’m the biggest bitch on the playground” like why the fuck was I ever supposed to care about that guy? We never knew anything the fuck up about him like fuck we still don’t know anything about him!

Nailed it. Xal makes sense as this has been building up since Legion. Jailer was built up literally the expansion before him and even then, barely.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I just find Zovaals motivation better than Xal'ataths so far and if Xal'atath dies in 12.2 then it just again feels like they are cleaning their hands whenever they feel they're in trouble regarding elements of their stories.

Again, I will never see eye to eye with Xal'atath defenders. Yes, they have a background story on Azeroth and there's clearly a connection between them and Azeroth but again I feel like we are just again doing the same shtick but maybe this time the World Soul is finally dealt with for once.

Although if they are sticking around for the entire duration of the Saga there's still time to make them more interesting, so we'll see.

[milkmustache]

I can't help but feel like The Bloom in Razorwind shores is direct inspiration for a future regrown Durotar, specifically down to the name.

[Cheezits]

I just find Zovaals motivation better than Xal'ataths so far and if Xal'atath dies in 12.2 then it just again feels like they are cleaning their hands whenever they feel they're in trouble regarding elements of their stories.

Zovaal's motivations only work with the meta knowledge this thread has discerned that the Shadowlands are probably fake/a titan installation and as a robot angel made to order things, when he discovered the truth he rebelled as he thought he knew better how to order the universe. And to do that he had to kill everything (except Denathrius? maybe?). But ingame his storyline is ridiculous as he doesn't mention that ever and acts like a pompous asshole who maybe had future vision but actually no.

If the theory is correct, he has NO reason to not work with the Azeroth champions, and especially if they do in fact succeed in freeing the universe from Titan control.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Again I'm just specifically talking about the fact Zovaal at least wanted to safeguard the Cosmos against whatever was to come that we will never know about. Xal'ataths motivation is the prize of Azeroth and then consumption and the return to nothing.

[JDBlou]

Zovaal's motivations only work with the meta knowledge this thread has discerned that the Shadowlands are probably fake/a titan installation and as a robot angel made to order things, when he discovered the truth he rebelled as he thought he knew better how to order the universe. And to do that he had to kill everything (except Denathrius? maybe?). But ingame his storyline is ridiculous as he doesn't mention that ever and acts like a pompous asshole who maybe had future vision but actually no.

If the theory is correct, he has NO reason to not work with the Azeroth champions, and especially if they do in fact succeed in freeing the universe from Titan control.

It doesn't redeem the jailer by any means, but it makes an obfuscating motivation slightly clearer, he still had the characterisation of wet cardboard and a generic bad guy voice and look.

I do think the plan was to use the Sepulchre to rewrite reality, dominating everything.

"Safeguarding" by removing free will is certainly one way to go about it.

I do think they've pivoted from whatever the original "what is to come" to it being the titans going mask off and revealing their conspiracy and their desire to Order the cosmos from stem to stern.

[Limayria]

Again I'm just specifically talking about the fact Zovaal at least wanted to safeguard the Cosmos against whatever was to come that we will never know about. Xal'ataths motivation is the prize of Azeroth and then consumption and the return to nothing.

Because she's angry Alleria is straight, it's not that complicated


Real talk I think we're going to learn what xal's true origins are originally and I think she's going to be a mortal who dabbled with the void to try and save her world from the titans and failed, and now she's lashing out seeking to be powerful enough that no one can ever hurt her; I even think we'll learn that she lost her family similarly to how Alleria is losing hers


But I'm also a Xal truther who believes she's going to be working with us against the titans in 13.0, with a whole "mortals vs gods" theme

[Mackud]

It doesn't redeem the jailer by any means, but it makes an obfuscating motivation slightly clearer, he still had the characterisation of wet cardboard and a generic bad guy voice and look.

I do think the plan was to use the Sepulchre to rewrite reality, dominating everything.

It's been very poorly explained, if at all because only people who remember questing in Icecrown will remember this.

But it's been proven that Undead are immune from void influence and vice versa - The Faceless Ones inside the absolute depths of Saronite you find during the Mathias Lehnar questline and well within reach of Yogg's influence is hard evidence that Death and Void influence counteract each other. So there is atleast logic to Zovaal's thought process, but as said before it's been extremely poorly explained.

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It's really weird, yeah. Though as I have said before. I am going to give the writers the benefit of the doubt here. On the assumption that the story is weirdly structured because they tried to make "TWW, underground shenanigans" into "TWW, part 1 of 3".

If 12.1 is just Isle of Fangs and nothing else, then it would definitely be a massive letdown narratively. But I am going to withold judgment until I see whether it's a Zaralek Caverns situation. Where Isle of Fangs is "just" the new zone. While the actual main plot continues elsewhere.
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Isle of Fangs is very relevant to the main story. It's not a case of well we've defended the Sunwell let's kill some trolls because lets make a patch out of it for some sub influx, which for some reason a few people on here think it's the case.

The obvious thing is the fact it's built on top of the pretty the Gigachad of C'Thraxxi's, Old Gods have always been accompanied by an Avatar or a Herald who's always a C'Thraxxi - Yogg's was Vezax, N'Zoth had 2 I believe? We actually haven't seen or heard from Xal's yet. So it's very safe to assume that this Gigachad buried underground is Xal's.

That would definitely prompt a desperate rallying call for a hostile Troll tribe to summon their Loa, don't you think?

[Joshuaj]

Xal'atath...

ZzzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZ

Also, comparing her to Zovaal? GG, you're comparing mid to trash LMAO

[Limayria]

Xal'atath...

ZzzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZ

Also, comparing her to Zovaal? GG, you're comparing mid to trash LMAO

"The Jailor has super compelling reasons for everything"

"Can I see them?"

"They're SUPER compelling"

This is what you dick ride for my guy, zovaal had potential especially if the shadowlands were set up from the start to have been imperalized by the titans, with the mawsworn yelling at us about opposing the titans vision, but us being misled to see the mawsworn as simply being against the covenants. But they fumbled it completely

Never mind that Zovaal is one of the least charismatic villains ever, not just in wow but in anything. He's literally just Sargey 2 with the same exact "for the greater good" mentality and goals. But he lacks any charm or connection like we'd have had with the OG Big man himself

We at least have personal interactions with Xal and get to hang out while she and Alleria have weird sexually charged flirting time together

[Nymrohd]

Just replace "planned" with "hoped" and this works so much better.

[extasy]

TWW final-cinematic

https://youtu.be/82GOAm_HjuU?si=575eAiwknv8vuvcJ


"For a hundred thousand years, I have planned for this moment" - Zovaal vibe)

If a character says "i planned something" its a zovaal vibe. WoW players at it again.

Listen... i know me calling out wow players is getting old, but so is their stupid, fake criticism towards this game. You don't like Xal? Thats totally fine and up to you, but she literally has nothing to do with Zovaal.