Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[JDBlou]

It just seems very confusing for no reason.

Making up a Progenitor narrative in the cosmic domains just to argue it as an absolute fact that mortals shouldn't know about on Azeroth is very weird, and honestly kinda makes the Titans look silly.

Also, I need folks to realize that reality is more than just the Dark Beyond. It's existence itself.

The theory is actually simple:

Titans violated cosmic boundaries
In domains where they lack authority, they need cover. So they create an authority, Order the place and appeal to the authority they create as part of the Grand Design. First Ones mythology provides that cover
On Azeroth where they have authority, no cover needed
Information is compartmentalized accordingly

What makes it seem "confusing" is trying to reconcile:

The old narrative (Titans = good)
The new evidence (Titans = problematic)

That dissonance is the point. Existential conspiracies tend to do that to you.

It makes them look silly because authoritarian overreach is silly. Because trying to control everything is silly, it's absurd.

The Wizard is just some guy behind the curtain. You think about it too hard and it's farcical. Aman'thul is just some petty control freak who can't imagine all facets of reality not under the auspices of Order.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

Powerscaling is off-topic and I think generally risky because it risks sidelining personality and character for power, but if I had to go ahead:

Azeroth¹ -> Sargeras -> the Pantheon -> Malformed Legion Argus -> Dimensius² -> Deathwing -> Old Gods (released but not "full power", e.g. BfA N'Zoth)³ -> Xal'atath⁴ -> Kil'Jaeden & Archimonde -> Old Gods (weakened chains; raid conditions for Yogg & C'thun) -> Azshara -> Lich King Arthas -> Illidan⁵ -> Mannoroth

¹ a genuine Mary Sue, up there with Arator or Med'an, and not even an entertaining one. She has no personality but all the power, you could replace her with a big hidden magical artifact or the planet itself and little would change other than Sargy's pedoboner and Muh Nightmares. Being powerful doesn't make her interesting.
² another reminder that being powerful doesn't make you a good character, nor preclude the plot demanding you lose anyway; he's absolutely characterized as powerful, given we need ribbons to not be obliterated by his presence, and he's also rightly jettisoned out of the plot as quickly as possible because he has no personality other than "eats planets". Could he have been actually characterized in a way that wouldn't result in him needing to be removed from the plot as the dead end he is? I could think of a few ways. Was he? No. This is probably the best use of him without somehow conjuring character for him, and his power doesn't salvage him alone.
³ "But aren't they Deathwing's bosses/responsible for corrupting him" is the reasonable objection you'll probably have, but my reason for ranking them here is that this list is prioritizing offensive power, which is what I'm assuming is the objective with powerscaling. The question is closer to "who would win in a fight", not "who has more power" in a broad sense. It would easily go to the old gods if this weren't weighted in favor of offensive power, since even a sealed N'Zoth was able to transform the Naga in an instant, something Azshara evidently was hopeless to do. In terms of "real" power, general ability to make things happen and influence them, the Old Gods rank much, much higher, but if I had to work around the various definitions of power and adjust weightings with more nuance, this would be more difficult.
⁴ I'm actually a little reluctant to put her this high, but I'm going off the rough fact Archimonde needed a ritual to destroy Dalaran, albeit one organized quickly and with very little preparation, while Xal'Atath did it pretty much instantly; that said, I think it's close between her and Archimonde.
⁵ cuck.

Trying to extend to cover things like Ula'tek or "X full power" (with the exception of the old gods, since I think there's solid enough evidence their power has been somehow restrained) seems too speculative and I'm accordingly not bothering with. Zovaal is such an unbelievable cipher and the official statements around him ("Titan++") don't save him from being impossible to realistically gauge, especially since his demonstrated ability of being unable to kill the most useless member of the entire BlandGang heavily contradicts that. It took power-ups to defeat him, but those power-ups are also impossible to scale relatively to anything else.

I bought and played Warcraft Reforge during this years summer sale. Currently still editing campaigns and stuff and gonna say it's one of the best games of all times.

I played a lot of custom games way back in the original wc3 but Reforge is giving tons of fun after learning more of the editor and importing exporting plus triggers.

Going through the campaign again after so many years and this time with Reforge. My take on power level is completely changed.

Cenarius in wc3 would easily be one of the greatest and strongest characters of all times. He could instantly regrow miles upon miles of the forest and turn them into treants and repeat. He could swarm every faction on WoW unless the Legion could bring their full might.

Chaos Grom is also the single most strongest being in WoW as he defeated Cenarius and you can't even beat him in the game without the special Gen. It's not even just gameplay it's actual lore because Grom will say "nice try but you'll have to do better than that" so he was toying with your whole army the entire time.

Chaos Grom is probably empowered by the 4 demon lords Archimonde, Mamnoroth, Tichordirus, and Kiljaeden which would explain his strength. Just like Horus in 40k.

Ill place WC3 chaos Grom during mission 8 above all besides Sargeras, prime Titans, and prime old gods,

Also your ranking is great too.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

The obvious meaning of Odyn's instruction from DF is "don't tell people about the First Ones, they need to think the titans are responsible for everything". It's awful, but it's also the clear intended meaning and trying to read deeper into it is cope. It's obviously an internal document they don't expect anyone to see, there's no need to dance around it and I don't think CDev would leave it there as a red herring. If the First Ones are the Pantheon, which isn't impossible as a direction, it will be a retcon that contradicts it and any fitting of that document to this lore would most likely be retroactive, but so are the First Ones themselves a retcon of the Chronicles cosmology. As I've said before, trying to use precedent and argue around reconciling contradicting details only works when the lore has consistency and those details were meant to contradict. You're treading questionable ground trying to get anywhere trying to make sense of something that could well have changed on the fly in response to public opinion or general change of crew.

[Limayria]

Describing Shadowlands writing as "disliked" is like describing the Titanic as a boat that got a bit wet. I'm not even saying abandon ship, I'm saying what the intent seems to be like with the Broker retcon to be Ethereals in another plane, or Denathrius escaping a planned death because he was a highlight, and his performance liked by the narrative team. If anything it'd be aligned with the philosophy of "take what works with Shadowlands tie it to the canon people like, recontextualise what you can and memory-hole the rest." This feels perfectly in-line with that philosophy.

Regarding the Edicts:

It's a document where Odyn admits to purging historical records and falsifying narratives to control mortal perception. And you think this disproves the theory that Titans would create false mythology to cover their actions?

The parallel is there if you look:

Reality: Advanced civilization with its own achievements
Titan narrative: "Chaos and misery, pernicious blight"
Method: Purge records, allow no contradictions
Justification: "If you care for mortals, don't lead them astray"
Sound familiar? Let's apply the same template to First Ones:

Reality: Titans violated cosmic boundaries and imposed Order
Titan narrative: "Ancient Progenitors designed everything this way"
Method: Don't mention them in Azerothian records, compartmentalize knowledge
Justification: "Mortals can't handle cosmic complexity"

On Azeroth,
Because it's not a cosmic realm is the exact reason you don't need a Progenitor Lie, it's not violation of another force's sovereign realm and installation of puppet rulers who dance along to your tune. Azeroth's reality, the material plane. Neutral ground to which none of the six forces have prior claim. The authority on Azeroth is defensible as work of the Titans, you don't have to defer to "cosmic rules" saying "oh yeah, that's just how the cosmos works, is what it is. Sorry about your sovereignity "

One is trespass you're fudging the record on, one is appearing as benevolent god creator.

This is a great write up that echos my feelings too, especially the way the reveal of the shadowlands being discovered and ordered would mirror what happened with the dream and really drive home the titan conspiracy plot and truly make it feel massive

[JDBlou]

Things like the K'areshi retcon can work cause it's not dismantling a major narrative point. It's changing an early statement of the Brokers origin and applying more context to it (and let's face it, idek if said original origin applied in the game, and it was heavily talked about in the beginning that clear connections existed with the Brokers and the Ethereals. Blizzard only needed to double down on it, which they did). As for Denathrius surviving? Again, it's not changing much, as Denathrius's initial story was still played out, and he can fulfill a future narrative doesn't involve Zovaal.

Christ on a unicycle, it's only dismantling if you've tied your entire WoW speculation self-worth to championing the narrative genius of the first ones. A nothing-burger of flavourless, hard sci fi mystery box all-knowing Forerunners who built a universe on fractals, created waystones for Maw-walkers to escape SuperHell but somehow failed to foresee one of their own creations turning against them? It's unintelligent intelligent design; aggressively boring.

To be fair, WoW is troperific, but the First Ones are utterly unengaging for the Warcraft flavour when compared to the Titans who were the exact same thing with a modicum of pizazz. What makes the First Ones so unimpeachable that they can't be recontextualised like the rest of Shadowlands? It'd not be the most egregious retcon WoW has performed when the Jailer's 10 billion IQ 5D million year game of speed-chess exists

The First Ones-brand school cafeteria apple juice is frankly not worth the squeeze.

The obvious meaning of Odyn's instruction from DF is "don't tell people about the First Ones, they need to think the titans are responsible for everything". It's awful, but it's also the clear intended meaning and trying to read deeper into it is cope. It's obviously an internal document they don't expect anyone to see, there's no need to dance around it and I don't think CDev would leave it there as a red herring. If the First Ones are the Pantheon, which isn't impossible as a direction, it will be a retcon that contradicts it and any fitting of that document to this lore would most likely be retroactive, but so are the First Ones themselves a retcon of the Chronicles cosmology. As I've said before, trying to use precedent and argue around reconciling contradicting details only works when the lore has consistency and those details were meant to contradict. You're treading questionable ground trying to get anywhere trying to make sense of something that could well have changed on the fly in response to public opinion or general change of crew.

I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's certainly better than the First Ones current status as Math-Gods of the Known and Unknown Universe. And pivoting back to the titans feels exactly like the response to public opinion they would take.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Who knows, maybe Blizzard will retcon the First Ones. I personally don't see it and I think the idea genuinely sucks, but hey, I know about as much as everyone else on the matter lol.

I cannot stress enough that I despise the First Ones concept and I think what potential existed (e.g. the divine geometry angle, which would be really nice to associate with something better) with their associated concepts was wasted on them, and I strongly believe they never should have been added to the lore at all, but I actually agree with respect to replacing the First Ones with the Pantheon being a bad idea. Making the First Ones a purely mythological construct and the Zereths spontaneously generated would be better than either keeping them as-is or making them the Pantheon. Nothing about them has indicated that the Pantheon have the ability to trap every soul in the universe in their soul-grinder and the First Ones' technology and gimmicks don't perfectly match the titans' (I'll grant some possible overlap with the musical angle, if we take it as an ability the titans inherently possess but which was somehow damaged/stripped away over time from the ones we know, with the younger and less conditioned Azeroth still having her radiant song) even if their role is similar enough to be irritatingly redundant.

The angle of the Titans creating a false afterlife would at least work if it were something exclusive to Azeroth, kind of like the soul-snatching stations the Marcab Confederacy have in Scientology lore, but the Shadowlands are explicitly universe-wide.

hard sci fi

No clue what you mean by this. Do you mean "hard" in the sense it's solidly sci-fi, not in respect to the actual genre of hard sci-fi? They aren't a hard sci-fi concept by any means and in fact are pretty standard soft sci-fi precursor archetypes.

[JDBlou]

I cannot stress enough that I despise the First Ones concept and I think what potential existed (e.g. the divine geometry angle, which would be really nice to associate with something better) with their associated concepts was wasted on them, and I strongly believe they never should have been added to the lore at all, but I actually agree with respect to replacing the First Ones with the Pantheon being a bad idea. Making the First Ones a purely mythological construct and the Zereths spontaneously generated would be better than either keeping them as-is or making them the Pantheon. Nothing about them has indicated that the Pantheon have the ability to trap every soul in the universe in their soul-grinder and the First Ones' technology and gimmicks don't perfectly match the titans' (I'll grant some possible overlap with the musical angle, if we take it as an ability the titans inherently possess but which was somehow damaged/stripped away over time from the ones we know, with the younger and less conditioned Azeroth still having her radiant song) even if their role is similar enough to be irritatingly redundant.

The angle of the Titans creating a false afterlife would at least work if it were something exclusive to Azeroth, kind of like the soul-snatching stations the Marcab Confederacy have in Scientology lore, but the Shadowlands are explicitly universe-wide.



No clue what you mean by this. Do you mean "hard" in the sense it's solidly sci-fi, not in respect to the actual genre of hard sci-fi? They aren't a hard sci-fi concept by any means and in fact are pretty standard soft sci-fi precursor archetypes.

"Hard" = aggressively sci-fi aesthetic/presentation. My apologies for the lack of clarity.
First Ones brought cosmic machinery, robots, reality programming, and sterile factory floor vibes to a fantasy franchise about heroes, dragons, and cosmic scale mythology.
Titans work because they're presented as mythological gods (Greek/Norse style) with personalities and interpersonal conflicts and I think their constructs work because outside of those Algari Earthen they feel closer to Golems, more palatably fantastical.
First Ones feel like Mass Effect's Reapers or Halo's Forerunners or the Expanse's Builders. To me, there's a tonal mismatch between that and something like a 40K Warpship/Naaru dimensional-ship. It's too sciencey, for a fantasy setting.

That's just my feelings though, but the blurring of the sci-fi/fantasy line feels like something they tried to walk back from in DF and the World Soul Saga.

[Thros]

The theory is actually simple:

Titans violated cosmic boundaries
In domains where they lack authority, they need cover. So they create an authority, Order the place and appeal to the authority they create as part of the Grand Design. First Ones mythology provides that cover
On Azeroth where they have authority, no cover needed
Information is compartmentalized accordingly

What makes it seem "confusing" is trying to reconcile:

The old narrative (Titans = good)
The new evidence (Titans = problematic)

That dissonance is the point. Existential conspiracies tend to do that to you.

It makes them look silly because authoritarian overreach is silly. Because trying to control everything is silly, it's absurd.

The Wizard is just some guy behind the curtain. You think about it too hard and it's farcical. Aman'thul is just some petty control freak who can't imagine all facets of reality not under the auspices of Order.

So let's get something straight. Titans somehow want to hide involvement in Shadowlands but are blatantly stated to be for the "great ordering of the cosmos" and "one of the first naaru to be forged during the great ordering of the cosmos." and the very small portions of the dream that are ordered and claimed by them openly, and we have statements of a green dragon that flew outside of it, and the dream is primal and unknowable, and there are powers that rival Titans, so the Life pantheon AND yet somehow they want to create a myth for the Shadowlands? And Odyn's book is for keepers' eyes only he is very ego driven but his words are truth on a stone tablet.

Also conveniently forgetting that the zereth mortis oracles "The oracles spoke in both one truth and a thousand. Not as separate thoughts, but as one in the same instant." sounds very untitanic.

Also, titans don't create they use what is already there, what has existed, and what has worked they just repurpose and claim it as theirs.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

"Hard" = aggressively sci-fi aesthetic/presentation. My apologies for the lack of clarity.
First Ones brought cosmic machinery, robots (automa), reality programming, and sterile factory floor vibes to a fantasy franchise about heroes, dragons, and cosmic scale mythology.
Titans work because they're presented as mythological gods (Greek/Norse style) with personalities and conflicts.
First Ones feel like Mass Effect's Reapers or Halo's Forerunners or the Expanse's Builders. To me, there's a tonal mismatch between that and something like a 40K Warpship/Naaru dimensional-ship. It's too sciencey, for a fantasy setting.

That's just my feelings though, but the blurring of the sci-fi/fantasy line feels like something they tried to walk back from in DF and the World Soul Saga.

That part honestly feels reasonably workable to me. The primary problem with the First Ones is the fact they're a terrible idea and were retroactively introduced to the lore in a way that diminished the cosmology, which was already limping after Chronicles. The factory aesthetics and automa are entirely workable, I think, within the setting, and the main issue with their technology was more that it was ugly than anything else. If they just got rid of the hideous green gems embedded in everything and focused more on the unformed/mathematical look, it probably would've been fine.

There's nothing about them that sticks out to me as too sci-fi next to the Pantheon, Gnomergan, Tempest Keep etc. It's all rooted enough in the magical aesthetics of the setting, and the Pantheon were arguably portrayed as closer to science fiction precursors than deities from Uldaman onward; the only time they felt like mythological gods was in Warcraft III's manual and item descriptions, while WoW has always leaned towards them being aliens who use artificial intelligence and seed life on planets, with Ulduar effectively setting that in stone. Their keepers in Classic could get close to archetypal robot speech and used sci-fi technobabble and were projected as holograms.

The primary problem with the First Ones is that they reorient the entire cosmology around them and simply aren't interesting or established in the setting, and that they're redundant in execution with the titans. The only place where the factory gimmick is detrimental is with respect to having created the forces—this reduces the entire cosmology to sterile products of their industry, which was absolutely awful and really never should've been so much as implied to be the case, but there's no problem with just giving them a somewhat sci-fi aesthetic.

[Limayria]

So let's get something straight. Titans somehow want to hide involvement in Shadowlands but are blatantly stated to be for the "great ordering of the cosmos" and "one of the first naaru to be forged during the great ordering of the cosmos." and the very small portions of the dream that are ordered and claimed by them openly, and we have statements of a green dragon that flew outside of it, and the dream is primal and unknowable, and there are powers that rival Titans, so the Life pantheon AND yet somehow they want to create a myth for the Shadowlands? And Odyn's book is for keepers' eyes only he is very ego driven but his words are truth on a stone tablet.

Also conveniently forgetting that the zereth mortis oracles "The oracles spoke in both one truth and a thousand. Not as separate thoughts, but as one in the same instant." sounds very untitanic.

Also, titans don't create they use what is already there, what has existed, and what has worked they just repurpose and claim it as theirs.

Yes the shadowlands slop was clearly not meant to be titans, but retconning it into a part of a titan conspiracy is the best way to take the current cosmology and offer the ability to expand upon it after unraveling the conspiracy

[Thros]

Yes the shadowlands slop was clearly not meant to be titans, but retconning it into a part of a titan conspiracy is the best way to take the current cosmology and offer the ability to expand upon it after unraveling the conspiracy

Yeah, no, I don't see it that way, but rather that Titan's lies and propaganda just fit the narrative of those who want to resist the idea that wow has a 20-year plan ahead after the saga that eclipses the name of Titans after 2 years.

[Super Dickmann]

Zovaal is such an unbelievable cipher and the official statements around him ("Titan++") don't save him from being impossible to realistically gauge, especially since his demonstrated ability of being unable to kill the most useless member of the entire BlandGang heavily contradicts that. It took power-ups to defeat him, but those power-ups are also impossible to scale relatively to anything else.

I appreciate your sacrifice at trying to approach not just powerscaling but Shadowlands powerscaling from a standpoint of narrative. A thankless task.

That said, I don't think that the Bald Man is all that difficult to parse, so long as you are charitable and interpret "Titan++ threat' as being the actual threat he poses being higher than that of a titan and not that his power corresponds to such. Let's look at our contender, shall we?

For one, unlike Sargeras, when he turns evil he doesn't immediately smite all of his godlike kin with ease. There's not even an implication he becomes more powerful. On the contrary, he's defeated by the Primus et al and put in prison. It's only in prison that he develops basically every ability we see him use, which themselves almost entirely center not on fighting people directly, but subverting people and tools to avoid a fight. When the Primus goes to investigate, our intrepid hero doesn't beat him in a straight fight, but has him at an information disadvantage on his home turf. From then on until his boss fight we never see him fight, and indeed, his modus operandi is to avoid fighting wherever possible, which is just as well as he's in prison for 99% of the runtime and so can't do anything anyway.

Whenever he collects the plot coupons or advances his plan, it's generally with deception or through agents. It's not that he beats the Kyrian leader in a straight fight, he has his Anduin sockpuppet ambush her. He doesn't overpower the Primus once he's free he just stalls him until said sockpuppet can steal the plot device he's after, all the while throwing minions at them for the edge. When he regains his sigil, he immediately mind controls the Bland Gang, but he isn't after it to increase his power but because he needs it to get to ZM and he immediately bails. In his boss fight proper, the reason we need the Burger King Kids' crown again isn't to empower us in some general sense, but again to avoid instant mind control. During said fight his main objective is to destroy the planet and assume control of the machine and much of the mechanics hinge again, not on him as a fighter, but him using said machine, using runes and mind-controlling the PC, all powers he took over well after he was appointed as a judge of souls.

The Bald Man fights very little, avoids fighting in favor of mind controlling/having others do his work when possible, is not defined by his physical power (as he loses his premier fight unlike Sarg), has no opportunity to accrue or fight considering he's been a prisoner operating only on defenseless souls for however long. His threat stems entirely from powers he later assumed, not ones he was meant to have as Arbiter, taking up domination from the Primus and then using it as a shortcut whenever possible, MC his way out of the problem, down to his final boss fight where it's the machine he's controlling and those he dominated earlier that are the threats. His commitment to no fair play is such is that he's I think the only one to rig a prior raid boss (Anduin) to detonate on death to avoid fighting the PCs.

Is he strong? Sure. He's a Keeper equivalent (and pending a retcon soon possibly a literal Keeper as well) who's like 20 feet tall in full armor clad in the equivalent of the LK's runeblade and outfit, he can also mind control most everyone at will. But he doesn't destroy cities, ala Archimonde or destroy planets, ala Deathwing, let alone Sargeras. Most importantly in a story that is otherwise very keen to tell you how strong something is ("Wow, the Mawsworn (original threat do not steal) are even more than the Legion!") everything is made out of the Bald Man being manipulative (compared to the Alzheimer's victims that form the SL cast) or dangerous, but not that he is personally uniquely powerful.

I'd put him just below KJ and Archimonde (and move Xal there pre-Midnight too).

[Pyrophax]

If Undermine was the capital of TWW and Silvermoon the capital of MN, you would of still had Horde whiners telling us its an Alliance expansion because these places became neutral.

I'm lookin at you when Stormwind will be neutral with orc camp inside the city.

[Hitei]

Yes the shadowlands slop was clearly not meant to be titans, but retconning it into a part of a titan conspiracy is the best way to take the current cosmology and offer the ability to expand upon it after unraveling the conspiracy

It really, really isn't. All it does is make everything the Titans have ever done in the lore make absolutely no sense.

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I'm lookin at you when Stormwind will be neutral with orc camp inside the city.

That already happened with Dalaran. Twice.

[Limayria]

I'm lookin at you when Stormwind will be neutral with orc camp inside the city.

At least the shadowlands posting (thanks dickman for the post above) is interesting; faction bitching is the dumbest shit in wow. They should have left the factions too weak to be super powers post legion and kept building up order halls and neutral orgs to fulfill their role.

Tbh the revamped leveling cadence should also have included the class orders in a more ever green fashion similar to the ff14 job/role quest

It really, really isn't. All it does is make everything the Titans have ever done in the lore make absolutely sense.

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That already happened with Dalaran. Twice.

We already have seen the titans doing to the dream what people are theorizing they did to death and we've seen life and death are pretty emeshed so it's really not a stretch


What other "massive titan conspiracy that changes everything you thought you knew" could there possibly be?

The titans over stepping and capturing the souls of every living thing they can in a reincarnation loop to juice them for loosh (which was already the basis of the anima mechanics in shadowlands lol) is a cool plotline for wow and the ground work has already been laid; the titans needing the loosh to continue trying to use azeorths world soul to order the entire universe, being stalled temporarily by Sargey kicking their asses and now planning to resume their plan after taking the last 10 years (15? In lore idr how long it's been since Argus off the top of my head) to regather their strength


I mean we even had a constellar randomly in sepulcher lol and drust all over ardenweld with their implied connections to vrykrul, connecting the dots here would be a very satisfying way to wrap this garbage up in a semi satisfying way

[Hitei]

What other "massive titan conspiracy that changes everything you thought you knew" could there possibly be?

The front and center, extremely obvious one? That Worldsouls don't actually innately have anything more to do with Order than any of the other five forces and Aman'thul has just been hijacking worlds to forcibly build them into "Titans".

The titans over stepping and capturing the souls of every living thing they can in a reincarnation loop to juice them for loosh is a cool plotline for wow and the ground work has already been laid

Yeah super cool plotline... that makes their complete inability to handle basic demons having their souls route to the nether and respawn make zero sense. And makes their complete inability to just collect all the elemental souls rather than making planar prisons that don't even actually work to try and control them make zero sense. And makes.

Wowee, the Titans could manage to build a soul relay that spans all realities and timelines across every world in the universe and funnels the entire cosmos' dead as a complex form of energy generation--but they couldn't manage to make one single working prison for small beans old gods on one planet, or construct a facility that wouldn't fall to pieces. Totally checks out.

The group that built instantaneous access from the plane of Death to every corner of the entire universe in every timeline is the same group whose second in command, Sargeras, couldn't even manage to get to a single specific planet without having mortals do the work of summoning him there, found out that the Void can corrupt things and immediately completely lost his sanity and decided to destroy the universe. Lead by Aman'thul, the guy who, despite having time magic, continually shows he can't manage to see 30 seconds into the future and figure out that ripping Y'shaarj out of living planet, or challenging Sargeras were bad ideas, or that tearing out a world tree wouldn't actually kill the world tree.

Yep. Nothing very obviously bad about this theoretical retcon at all. What a great and satisfying development. A very natural extrapolation of what the Titans have been capable of so far.

[Nymrohd]

I think souls ending up in Death has nothing to do with the Titans and nothing to do with the First Ones. It is the metaphysics of the cosmology in its primordial state, before it was ordered. The First Ones were not said to have created the Six Forces, just to have restructured them. They still are what they are.
I think @Hitei is right. Sure the "World Souls are not actually Order aligned" seems obvious to us in this thread but we are a tiny part of the player base with much more knowledge of the lore than average (or the average dev it seems) and vastly more knowledge than e.g. faction leaders like Anduin and Thrall and everyone else surprised by the Radiant Song. A cornerstone of Warcraft narrative is that everyone is a MORON. That will be enough of a mystery for most players and NPCs in Warcraft, no need to complicate it further.

[Xilurm]

That already happened with Dalaran. Twice.

Why do people keep using this example when it doesn't count. Dalaran was always a neutral city. It doesn't matter one bit if it used to be an alliance city in the lore.

[Nymrohd]

Why do people keep using this example when it doesn't count. Dalaran was always a neutral city. It doesn't matter one bit if it used to be an alliance city in the lore.

Then Undermine also doesn't count.

[Xilurm]

Then Undermine also doesn't count.

Yeah of course it doesn't. But Hitei was replying to a comment about Stormwind.