Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Xilurm]

Mindless pew pew in SL sounds fun. TBH they all sound fun. Even though I found MoP remix boring but I REALLY like Legion remix.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I don't even know but you know what I breathe a sigh of relief if they do a good marketing campaign up till launch.

Also, I don't know what Remix will be I could see them do Shadowlands just because "haha funny" or its WoTLK. But that's my thoughts on the issue. WoTLK makes sense with the context of The Last Titan.

[Limayria]

It's most likely gonna be WoTLK, namely due to Northrend, Ulduar, etc.

But maybe they'll throw a curveball at us and do SL?

I almost think shadowlands is more likely than Wotlk tbh especially if they actually are going to deliver on the "shadowlands is too ordered" foreshadowing

[Cheezits]

I don't think they will do a pre-Mists remix solely because of the graphics. Mists seems to be their benchmark on how dated the graphics can get for relevant modern content.

It will be BFA most likely. A fun gimmick would be a way for each faction to do the other faction's quests/World Quests. SL is also relevant to the Titans story (probably) but it has less unused/hard to get content I believe than BFA.

[huth]

Yeah, i don't think WotLK is likely due to age. Those assets will be nearly 20 years old by the time it'd be up.

[Pheraz]

Honestly I think the remix concept is flawed because:

- for people who already played the xpac very much and completed most of it, it feels like a chore
- for people who did not play the xpac it is a weird version of the xpac

IMO the timewalking dungeons and raids are a much better concept of "let's replay the past"
What is now missing is a proper story recap, the lore walking and this bugged book in valdrakken is a good start, but this needs to be perfected to be basically talisiens version of story mode

Now with decor, I just realized how good dragonflight actually is. IMO remixing DF would be a shame

[Polybius]

I don't think it's going to be WotLK. Northrend back to back would fatigue the playerbase and there are hints of another Season (Awakened Raids or otherwise).

[Count Zero]

Didn't expect the "Iron Chainkini" to be what we get for a winter month.

Break glass in case of emergency item

[THEORACLE64]

I don't think they will do a pre-Mists remix solely because of the graphics. Mists seems to be their benchmark on how dated the graphics can get for relevant modern content.

It will be BFA most likely. A fun gimmick would be a way for each faction to do the other faction's quests/World Quests. SL is also relevant to the Titans story (probably) but it has less unused/hard to get content I believe than BFA.

BfA?! How about BfByeBye. SL or BfA are both horrid choices anyway, but there is not much else they can pick unless they do go with Wrath.

[Cheezits]

BfA?! How about BfByeBye. SL or BfA are both horrid choices anyway, but there is not much else they can pick unless they do go with Wrath.

Besides the bad plots, both expansions have lots of content that is much more accessible without their shitty launch mechanics. SL less so because you still can't fly to the zones.

Classic, TBC and Wrath are beloved but very few people would put in the work to grind out shitty old models to use in retail. Cata is LOL.

[Ersula]

Besides the bad plots, both expansions have lots of content that is much more accessible without their shitty launch mechanics. SL less so because you still can't fly to the zones.

You were able to fly in shadowlands. You could fly in Zereth Morthis basically immediately. The only one you can't fly in is Korthia & the Maw, just like Argus.

[Joshuaj]

You were able to fly in shadowlands. You could fly in Zereth Morthis basically immediately. The only one you can't fly in is Korthia & the Maw, just like Argus.

I think you misread it a lil. He said you still can't fly TO the zones, which is correct. You can't manually fly from Oribos to Bastion, or from Bastion to Ardenweald, cause the expansion literally functions to where you're not allowed to do that. It's a bit repetitive in hindsight.

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I don't even know but you know what I breathe a sigh of relief if they do a good marketing campaign up till launch.

Also, I don't know what Remix will be I could see them do Shadowlands just because "haha funny" or its WoTLK. But that's my thoughts on the issue. WoTLK makes sense with the context of The Last Titan.

I'd only do SL cause imagine a Sargerei Commander-like set for the Mawsworn or the Shadowlands covenant realms. That'd be pretty cool imo.

Though, I'd also adore a "Herald of the Damned" set if they did WoTLK remix, ngl.

[Dracullus]

Personally I would prefer 2 smaller Remixes during MD - WoD and WoTLK, but I think both will just get their Classic versions instead. So BfA next is almost certain.

[Limayria]

I think you misread it a lil. He said you still can't fly TO the zones, which is correct. You can't manually fly from Oribos to Bastion, or from Bastion to Ardenweald, cause the expansion literally functions to where you're not allowed to do that. It's a bit repetitive in hindsight.

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I'd only do SL cause imagine a Sargerei Commander-like set for the Mawsworn or the Shadowlands covenant realms. That'd be pretty cool imo.

Though, I'd also adore a "Herald of the Damned" set if they did WoTLK remix, ngl.

tbh they can just give us portals to all the zones from the remix hub area

[Joshuaj]

I almost think shadowlands is more likely than Wotlk tbh especially if they actually are going to deliver on the "shadowlands is too ordered" foreshadowing

I don't think it's much of foreshadowing at all. The Shadowlands feeling familiar and ordered has been established since the very expac released. Heck, it literally showcases the influences of Light, Death, and Order on the same category regarding their role in the cosmos.

I 100% believe Order established the Cosmic system and got the other Progenitors to agree, which would explain why Order specifically has a particularly major role in the cosmos, especially in regards to the Titans and the whole Manifold plot (which may or may not go against Life's influence with the cradle)

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tbh they can just give us portals to all the zones from the remix hub area

Oh 100%. My point is that you still can't go there manually, however.

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I don't think they will do a pre-Mists remix solely because of the graphics. Mists seems to be their benchmark on how dated the graphics can get for relevant modern content.

It will be BFA most likely. A fun gimmick would be a way for each faction to do the other faction's quests/World Quests. SL is also relevant to the Titans story (probably) but it has less unused/hard to get content I believe than BFA.

Unless they completely retcon the Progenitors altogether, SL is seemingly only relevant in that Order has a pretty big hand in the afterlifes functionalities, which is strange in of itself.

[Super Dickmann]

BfA as the last recent and mostly complete expansion seems the likeliest, but WoD is a dark horse. Wrath is too old visually speaking, SL is cut up between zones without easy transit and just got its timewalking.

WoD, like Mists, has effectively three raid tiers, it has large zones that you can drop low-effort repeatable content into, along with working very well with the heroic world tier. It won't wear out its welcome the way it actually did because it's only meant to last a couple months instead of years and everything from garrison camping to its absentee content to the prune will be removed. It's also pretty and has plenty of appearances to get to.

[Nymrohd]

Does anyone find the Red Dawn interesting? We destroyed the Scarlet Crusade in every engagement about a dozen times and they were never a true threat outside maybe to the nascent Forsaken nation, we did the same to the Brotherhood three times and the Syndicate was never a threat at all. They are not thematically unique, they are a tired premise. At best they are an opportunity for Horde stans who keep spreadsheets of how many times they get to kill former Alliance forces when none of these people are Alliance and we've gotten to kill primarily human forces since the beginning (Cult of the Damned). They don't even have a fun visual theme or unique power set, they just have a few light users.

I think the only valid option for a Remix is BfA. The daily routine of a Remix player is to clear raids and then run dungeons, maybe running some other content for achievements all that so as to unlock a small number of pieces of prestige gear made for the Remix and in its majority ensembles and mounts that are recolors of that expansion's content.
WoD simply does not have enough boss encounters and did not even have that much visual variety in gear. MoP 42 boss encounters across 5 raid instances had WoD has 29. And MoP had some side content like scenarios, WoD has none of that.
While Wrath has enough boss encounters and more than enough dungeons, getting people to grind for Wrath era lookalike gear is not likely to be that popular. That said, most of these ensembles won't ever be used, they are just something for collectors to watch their addon say 100% so does it even matter? I will say, if TLT Northrend is radically different than Wrath Northrend, it does make some sense to send us there because it will lend to the comparison without having you fly around the same geography in different fidelity. If it is as faithful as they can get it like Quel'thalas is, not so much cause it'd feel boring.

That said, we could just have a fated season instead? Or a fated season plus a smaller Remix in something like WoD.

[Scyth]

No chance WotLK gets a Remix imo. Not only is it too old but there's not enough to do for a Remix.
BfA is the most likely imo as SL is still too fresh in people's minds.

[Nymrohd]

No chance WotLK gets a Remix imo. Not only is it too old but there's not enough to do for a Remix.
BfA is the most likely imo as SL is still too fresh in people's minds.

Not enough to do? 16 dungeons, 49 raid bosses (53 if you add VoA which why not)

[Joszef Kiprich]

Leveling wasnt bad in both BFA and WOD. The problem is what came later.