Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Pyrophax]

No chance WotLK gets a Remix imo. Not only is it too old but there's not enough to do for a Remix.
BfA is the most likely imo as SL is still too fresh in people's minds.

After last Turbulent times with increased drops - there is nothing to collect really. I rather see BfA or SL. Especially SL.

[Super Dickmann]

The main benefit of SL Remix is that it has the rare combination of great appearances which are technically obtainable but require an ungodly waste of time to this day. Its main downside is the cut-up landmass. The then-problems of the expansion, i.e shitty systems, glacial content cadence and the terrible plot don't really matter for Remix (ditto BFA).

[Sondrelk]

BfA is a strong possibility for Remix, same with SL. WoD makes more sense if we assume the format of Remix is changed to be a more frequently recurring thing. Rather than just an end of expansion content drought stopper.

Both BfA and SL both suffer in that pretty much all the sets there are already non-class restricted. (Not to mention the QoL change to give you lower difficulty sets automatically when you complete higher ones.) But if we assume that the devs will follow suit with FFXIV and remove transmog restrictions on armour, then most of those sets will be exciting to players in a way they would not be currently.
And of course, SL has all the frustration around Anima grinding. Not to mention that it was (very wisely) removed from the new players levelling experience as soon as it was possible. So chances are loads of players don't even think about it as a place they need to go to at all.

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WotLK seems unlikely to me. Not because it's old. But because it would be an odd choice to have us go back to Northrend and spend time there. Right before we go back there for the actual expansion in TLT.
We can expect some massive changes to Northrend during the expansion of course. But unless it's a full Outland to Draenor conversion, I fear it would be too similar.

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Does anyone find the Red Dawn interesting?

I find them intriguing as a way to actually give us a reason to fight bandits again. But I am with Dickmann on them being a horribly lazy way to achieve it, which also makes them less about interesting overall.

[Cheezits]

Actually, I wonder if the devs could make it so that when you fly into the Oribos keystones (assuming they enable flying in Oribos), you do in fact warp to the respective zones. Or there are just clickable portals in Oribos.

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tbh they can just give us portals to all the zones from the remix hub area

Oh right, I forgot they add new Bronze hubs. Yeah this would fit perfectly and would more or less "solve" the biggest issue in post-SL SL- that traveling is a mandatory-flight path-slog unless you're an engineer.

Make it easy to get anima/make all anima unlocks purchaseable through bronze and you've got a winner. "The expansion was bad" is not an argument against it being a good remix candidate.

[Vakir]

Hell, even without a new hub, they can just slap zone portals where you'd usually flight master to the four launch zones.

I think BFA is a better candidate still, but SL isn't far behind.

[micwini]

They could easily have Tazavesh as the Bronze hub and use the current delve portal room to make portals to the zones.
But still i'd prefer BFA remix first. SL remix could come in TLT, with the tie in that the Titans are the First Ones.

[Ersula]

No chance WotLK gets a Remix imo. Not only is it too old but there's not enough to do for a Remix.
BfA is the most likely imo as SL is still too fresh in people's minds.

But as we see in Midnight, they've started outfitting WotLK dungeons for Mythic+ - To everyone saying the cosmetics & assets are too old: Collectors do not care.

The only people I can foresee passing up a wrath remix are the people who've already collected everything in that expansion.

[Joshuaj]

They could easily have Tazavesh as the Bronze hub and use the current delve portal room to make portals to the zones.
But still i'd prefer BFA remix first. SL remix could come in TLT, with the tie in that the Titans are the First Ones.

Still saying speculation as if it's fact, eh?

If you're gonna start saying that, can we at least wait and see if it's gonna actually happen first???

[Enrif]

after playing both remix... i don't want them to return in the way they did.

You just do the main story once, then just grind bronze/infinite power in the same raids to be done with it.

If i would remake Remix, i would simply place it in the caverns of time, and let there be instance portals, one for dungeons and one for raids. But these instance portals change every day and can be from any expansion. Then there is chromie that gets you remix chromie time, where you can choose any expansion you like to get the main story from.

also, make it part of the anniversary event to give that event some more staying power and give people that were not around the original remix the chance to buy stuff with bronze

[Makorus]

But as we see in Midnight, they've started outfitting WotLK dungeons for Mythic+ - To everyone saying the cosmetics & assets are too old: Collectors do not care.

The only people I can foresee passing up a wrath remix are the people who've already collected everything in that expansion.

Wrath has nothing exciting to collect other than Invincible/Mimirons Head.

No one cares about the tier sets because, well, they are almost two decades old at this point and generally look shit. There is nothing that is "annoying" to do right now in Wrath.

If they make Wrath/TBC Remix before SL/BFA I would be shocked lmao.

BfA and SL has clear pain points which aren't remedied by Collectors Bounty unlike Wrath. Legion kind of did with Order Hall campaigns and shit ton of rare drops, but that also worked because of the fact that Legion was well-loved.

[Ersula]

They could easily have Tazavesh as the Bronze hub and use the current delve portal room to make portals to the zones.
But still i'd prefer BFA remix first. SL remix could come in TLT, with the tie in that the Titans are the First Ones.

Titans & Eternal Ones being analogs & minions of the First Ones still makes more sense. We got "Titans were taught the secrets of the first ones at Zereth Ordus" this expansion. How would they be taught their own secrets?

Wrath has nothing exciting to collect other than Invincible/Mimirons Head.

No one cares about the tier sets because, well, they are almost two decades old at this point and generally look shit. There is nothing that is "annoying" to do right now in Wrath.

If they make Wrath/TBC Remix before SL/BFA I would be shocked lmao.

BfA and SL has clear pain points which aren't remedied by Collectors Bounty unlike Wrath. Legion kind of did with Order Hall campaigns and shit ton of rare drops, but that also worked because of the fact that Legion was well-loved.

You could just as easily say there's no point to doing a Legion Remix, becuase its so modern. There's nothing stopping players from grinding the cosmetics the ol' fashioned way.

I think wrath is viable as a remix if they add a ton of decor items, and maybe new HD versions of the Tiers sets like they did for tier 2 & 6.

[Lady Atia]

Wrath has nothing exciting to collect other than Invincible/Mimirons Head.

No one cares about the tier sets because, well, they are almost two decades old at this point and generally look shit. There is nothing that is "annoying" to do right now in Wrath.

If they make Wrath/TBC Remix before SL/BFA I would be shocked lmao.

BfA and SL has clear pain points which aren't remedied by Collectors Bounty unlike Wrath. Legion kind of did with Order Hall campaigns and shit ton of rare drops, but that also worked because of the fact that Legion was well-loved.

I mean, they could easily bring back the removed ToC mounts for a start. And people would play the hell out of a remix if we could get a frostmourne transmog at the end :X

But WotlK, just like TBC would work great for a smaller end of season remix imo. Same with WoD or even classic.

The real question is - how do they plan to do classic+ in the future? If it's connected to retail collections you won't need remixes (for the classic stuff) anymore, only for expansions without classic content.

[Makorus]

Titans & Eternal Ones being analogs & minions of the First Ones still makes more sense. We got "Titans were taught the secrets of the first ones at Zereth Ordus" this expansion. How would they be taught their own secrets?

Titans being the first ones would also do absolutely nothing.

The concept of Titans is still ruined by the fact that they are bitches in Legion. Simple as.

[Lady Atia]

Also, I just realized china has an exclusive red Invincible recolour :X

[Vakir]

Wait, is that the Titan Reforged Invincible from their super fancy special servers?

Nah, they aren't that lazy.

[Lady Atia]

Wait, is that the Titan Reforged Invincible from their super fancy special servers?

Nah, they aren't that lazy.

Yep it is indeed.

[Cheezits]

Titans & Eternal Ones being analogs & minions of the First Ones still makes more sense. We got "Titans were taught the secrets of the first ones at Zereth Ordus" this expansion. How would they be taught their own secrets?

If you are talking about the Odyn book from Dragonflight, he is not a reliable narrator. Especially as that book shows he is the one who instructed the Titanforged to hide the existence of the First Ones.

[Scyth]

Not enough to do? 16 dungeons, 49 raid bosses (53 if you add VoA which why not)

I know there are plenty of raids and dungeons but no m+ or heroic/mythic will make them boring very fast. Then again, they can add those but seeing how lazy they were for this Remix I highly doubt it.
There is also not that much to collect compared to MoP or Legion, no world bosses or WQs..

[Sondrelk]

Wrath has nothing exciting to collect other than Invincible/Mimirons Head.

No one cares about the tier sets because, well, they are almost two decades old at this point and generally look shit. There is nothing that is "annoying" to do right now in Wrath.

If they make Wrath/TBC Remix before SL/BFA I would be shocked lmao.

BfA and SL has clear pain points which aren't remedied by Collectors Bounty unlike Wrath. Legion kind of did with Order Hall campaigns and shit ton of rare drops, but that also worked because of the fact that Legion was well-loved.

People probably care plenty. Yes the sets are not that good compared to now, but expanding the library with previously unobtainable pieces is always appreciated. All it takes is one piece of Paladin tier set not being available to warriors to justify it.

[Lady Atia]

People probably care plenty. Yes the sets are not that good compared to now, but expanding the library with previously unobtainable pieces is always appreciated. All it takes is one piece of Paladin tier set not being available to warriors to justify it.

Also Tirions recolour from the ICC pala tier.

Hell, they could even use it as an excuse to return the black protodrake and the corrupted ashbringer to us :X

Imagine the tears haha.

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I know there are plenty of raids and dungeons but no m+ or heroic/mythic will make them boring very fast. Then again, they can add those but seeing how lazy they were for this Remix I highly doubt it.
There is also not that much to collect compared to MoP or Legion, no world bosses or WQs..

World Bosses? As if anyone actually cares about these especially if they don't drop a mount.

World Quests? Yes, I surely loved it to have to grind WORLD QUESTS during legion remix, was a great experience.