Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lady Atia]

There's nothing wrong with the theme, they simply haven't addressed their own "something for everyone" ethos.

Delves was a step in the right direction, and has generally been welcomed by everyone
But afterwards what you got? M+ full of jerks and unhinged people, PvP queues which were 45 minutes on release, don't even want to know what the timer on that is nowadays, higher end raiding locked out for obvious reasons and they're still timegating the more solo orientated PvE stuff.

So what have they done so far? PvP against Bots. It's like giving a homeless man a lunchbox, he opens it just to find a bit of breadcrust left.

I mean, delves and M+ is fine. Mythic raiding really would benefit from flexible id's like on nh/hc but they are prolly too afraid of "hurting" guilds even though a set schedule is the biggest issue with organized raiding right now. (and imo, doesn't fit very well with modern gameplay anyways)

PvP got a lot better with TWW thanks to blitz, but they really either need to rework the rewards to be from all brackets, or introduce a seasonal pvp renown that offers rewards independently of actual CR for rated games only if they want people to play it. 2,3k for gladiator is a step in the right direction on paper but it's to be seen how it works in reality with blizzard being able to just adjust inflation rate if either too many or noth enough player get it - also imo the 50 wins on top is still a bit too much to ask for as long as we don't have only positive rating. Oh, and also prevent and bann q syncers ...

At the end of the day, people play for rewards, people are happy when they actually can get the rewards, and people won't play if the chance to obtain said rewards is 0,1%. The fun thing is that Blizzard already does it correctly with Mythic raiding - if you are good you get hall of fame, a title (and even that is actually rewarded to your guild, not a few characters who did the first kill), while everything else can still be obtained by everyone.

[Limayria]

Something I'd really like to see in wow is an open world zone based off the "A-life" system the Stalker games use, to simulate different squads of NPCs living life and doing stuff, working with or against each other and so on

Then having dynamic events pop up when two squads interact, like maybe a squad moves into and sets up defenses in a cave, you could get an event to drive them out, or steal their stuff etc.

Take the whole idea of ff14 fates which can lead to different new fates afterwards based on how an objective was completed, and mix that with the undermine style rep where you have multiple subreps and then have the different rep you choose for the week determine your interactions for the week or something

[Lady Atia]

Something I'd really like to see in wow is an open world zone based off the "A-life" system the Stalker games use, to simulate different squads of NPCs living life and doing stuff, working with or against each other and so on

Then having dynamic events pop up when two squads interact, like maybe a squad moves into and sets up defenses in a cave, you could get an event to drive them out, or steal their stuff etc.

Take the whole idea of ff14 fates which can lead to different new fates afterwards based on how an objective was completed, and mix that with the undermine style rep where you have multiple subreps and then have the different rep you choose for the week determine your interactions for the week or something

Idk, having npc's just randomly switching camps would take away from the feeling of specific spots more than it would bring imo. It's similiar to "open world campaigns" that are usually less interesting than linear story campaigns. f.e. d3 vs d4.

[Mackud]

PvP got a lot better with TWW thanks to blitz, but they really either need to rework the rewards to be from all brackets, or introduce a seasonal pvp renown that offers rewards independently of actual CR for rated games only if they want people to play it. 2,3k for gladiator is a step in the right direction on paper but it's to be seen how it works in reality with blizzard being able to just adjust inflation rate if either too many or noth enough player get it - also imo the 50 wins on top is still a bit too much to ask for as long as we don't have only positive rating. Oh, and also prevent and bann q syncers ...

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The irony of accusing me of not playing Midnight but made it totally obvious you don't neither read nor play the game yourself.

Queues were 45 minutes at the start of TWW, so we're talking 1 hour plus. Nobody is going to wait 45 minutes in a queue for 1 game of Blitz or Solo Shuffle, hanging around a Capital city for over 45 minutes for a queue to pop isn't anyone's idea of 'fun'

[Lady Atia]

The irony of accusing me of not playing Midnight but made it totally obvious you don't neither read nor play the game yourself.

Queues were 45 minutes at the start of TWW, so we're talking 1 hour plus. Nobody is going to wait 45 minutes in a queue for 1 game of Blitz or Solo Shuffle, hanging around a Capital city for over 45 minutes for a queue to pop isn't anyone's idea of 'fun'

? I always have 12 (on a bad day) minutes to 4 minutes q time as a dps, and basically insta q as a healer for blitz, even these days (well, these days the bg's are sadly full of boosters and q syncers but that's another problem, the q time itself isn't long). You either have a very high mmr, or a very low if you have 1 hour q times.

[Mackud]

? I always have 12 (on a bad day) minutes to 4 minutes q time as a dps, and basically insta q as a healer for blitz, even these days (well, these days the bg's are sadly full of boosters and q syncers but that's another problem, the q time itself isn't long). You either have a very high mmr, or a very low if you have 1 hour q times.

Well Healer queue you're right, it's not an issue.

But DPS depends what region and faction you're playing - US will have a bigger player pool than EU, but also Horde as the 'meta' faction has a far bigger queue time as there's a backlog of people from Alliance side within their MMR to queue up which results in even upto 90 minutes on EU Horde side

Another reason why Blizzard refusing to pull the cord on factions is hurting the game btw.

[Lady Atia]

Well Healer queue you're right, it's not an issue.

But DPS depends what region and faction you're playing - US will have a bigger player pool than EU, but also Horde as the 'meta' faction has a far bigger queue time as there's a backlog of people from Alliance side within their MMR to queue up which results in even upto 90 minutes on EU Horde side

Another reason why Blizzard refusing to pull the cord on factions is hurting the game btw.

I'm playing on EU, and blitz doesn't use horde/alliance, they mix it up? And again, my dps have between 6 and 12 minutes q. My pvp paladin is horde, and my hunter was alliance and there was 0 difference between their times for blitz. I'm playing between 2,1k and 3k MMR.

[Makorus]

Well Healer queue you're right, it's not an issue.

But DPS depends what region and faction you're playing - US will have a bigger player pool than EU, but also Horde as the 'meta' faction has a far bigger queue time as there's a backlog of people from Alliance side within their MMR to queue up which results in even upto 90 minutes on EU Horde side

Another reason why Blizzard refusing to pull the cord on factions is hurting the game btw.

Arena was always faction-agnostic, and Battleground Blitz definitely is as well. When I queued last week, I had like 5 minute queue times for SS as a DPS, and like 10 minute queue times for Blitz.

Does it still suck? Yeah. Realistically, is there anything Blizzard can do other than just throwing the 3v3 bracket and SS, and the RBG and Blitz bracket together? Not really.

People just need to learn to accept that PVP never has been and never will be a focus of the game.

[Therougetitan]

Well Healer queue you're right, it's not an issue.

But DPS depends what region and faction you're playing - US will have a bigger player pool than EU, but also Horde as the 'meta' faction has a far bigger queue time as there's a backlog of people from Alliance side within their MMR to queue up which results in even upto 90 minutes on EU Horde side

Another reason why Blizzard refusing to pull the cord on factions is hurting the game btw.

You can queue onto the Alliance side as Horde and vice versa. Have you actually played bg blitz? Anyone who has pvp'd has experienced this.

[Hearthfinder]

Happy new year, folks. Only a few more hours before we finally get to lay hands on the chainkini.

[Joshuaj]

Eh. After almost 23 years of living, I don't care to celebrate New Years. I just see it as another day.

[Ferlion]

I don't know if anyone remembers this, but a while back there was a bunch of models that were datamined labeled as Frontier.

Has anyone gone and compared those models to the stuff in the player neighborhoods? I don't think we've seen a lot of those still.

[Count Zero]

This is a thing? Or are you guys talking about the usual bots?

Yes, Comp Stomp is Arathi Basin where the opponents are bots.

[Xilurm]

Yes, Comp Stomp is Arathi Basin where the opponents are bots.

Oh so it's a weekly thing. I never knew about it because I have PvP filtered off on the calendar and don't even play PvP in general. Will have to try this. Apparently it's permanent in Midnight.

[Count Zero]

Oh so it's a weekly thing. I never knew about it because I have PvP filtered off on the calendar and don't even play PvP in general. Will have to try this. Apparently it's permanent in Midnight.

My first epic in the game ever was from Arathi rep, when I was initially leveling in BC. I've had so much time to finish it lol. Hopefully with Comp Stomp being perm. in Midnight I'll finally knock it out.

[SaintBigfoot]

Still hoping that Northrend looks something like this in TLT, obviously the Rootlands are already happening, so likely we'll end up seeing the end of the Coreway

[Makabreska]

I would rather prefer for TLT to not entirely happen in Northrend.

[Xilurm]

This is after Thalyssra decides the Nightborne should let the Nightwell die.



She's saying it as if they did the same thing. The Sunwell has been transformed twice now, about to be transformed for a third time in Midnight. The Blood Elves can't ever let go.

[Joshuaj]

I would rather prefer for TLT to not entirely happen in Northrend.

Idk if the ENTIRE expac will happen in Northrend, but the main area should be Northrend imo. This place is much bigger than Quel'thalas. It needs to be handled correctly.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

With 4 zones there is bound to be heartbreak with Northrend. I assume they will probably use Storm Peaks but other than that I am unsure what the second zone would be used but I assume Dragonblight? But who knows. I assume the rest sank into the ocean as per the fake sketch on the sketchboard.

I don't think they are as married to the concept as people thought prior to Midnight. So anything is on the table in this regard.