Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Xilurm]

Your explanation doesn't explain why the nightwell made the nightborne immortal but the sunwell doesn't, but my explanation does. Or why every other elf has magic addiction but the Haranir don't. Nothing is as potent as the well of eternity; that's the only way any of this works.

I was talking just about their appearance. Why would the Haranir be affected by the Well in any way, when they went deep underground long before the Dark Trolls found it.

[Ersula]

I was talking just about their appearance. Why would the Haranir be affected by the Well in any way, when they went deep underground long before the Dark Trolls found it.

Right, which is exactly why they don't. Because the well of eternity & the Nightwell were tapped into Azeroth's leylines: Literally the veins of the Worldsoul. The Sunwell does not do this. Presumably switching from the Nightwell to Arcandor also stripped the Nightborne of the immortality but that's never been established; Seems like that should have come up in conversation. Either that or the Arcandor Fruit will literally make any person immortal.

But this does explain the resemblance between Haranir & Night Elves: Connection to the worldsoul.

[Makorus]

Right, which is exactly why they don't. Because the well of eternity & the Nightwell were tapped into Azeroth's leylines: Literally the veins of the Worldsoul. The Sunwell does not do this. Presumably switching from the Nightwell to Arcandor also stripped the Nightborne of the immortality but that's never been established; Seems like that should have come up in conversation.

But this does explain the resemblance between Haranir & Night Elves: Connection to the worldsoul.

Were the Nightborne ever stated to be immortal or do people just base it on the fact that they were alive for 10k+ years?

Like, no offense, but their Well was literally powered by a Time artifact.

[Ersula]

Were the Nightborne ever stated to be immortal or do people just base it on the fact that they were alive for 10k+ years?

Like, no offense, but their Well was literally powered by a Time artifact.

I guess that's a good point.... Elisande, Thalyssra & Tyrande are about the same age. They were born before the War of the Ancients..... so aren't they immortal? If that's the metric how would the night elves ever assume they had immortality?

[Makorus]

I guess that's a good point.... Elisande, Thalyssra & Tyrande are about the same age. They were born before the War of the Ancients..... so aren't they immortal? If that's the metric how would the night elves ever assume they had immortality?

Night Elves wouldn't age, but they also wouldn't be affected by disease or "frailty".

Idk, I do think Withering could be considered one of those two things.

[Joshuaj]

By the time the fire reaches the roots the tree is already burned down. What are the Haranir supposed to do?

Also, the whole point of the Haranir is that they are hiding away from the world and are just listening to the roots and helping in ways they can without actively getting into conflict. Teldrassil is the impetus that gets the away from that.

And prophecies are hardly new things in WoW (but I do think they should remove that scroll).

Aren't they watching over the tree itself though? Not the roots? Also, there are many ways you can help folks without resorting to conflict.

Though, tbf here, I think Midnight does touch on this subject.

[Cheezits]

Aren't they watching over the tree itself though? Not the roots? Also, there are many ways you can help folks without resorting to conflict.

Though, tbf here, I think Midnight does touch on this subject.

Only the roots, AFAIK. They did not know why Teldrassil's roots started to burn.

[Makorus]

Aren't they watching over the tree itself though? Not the roots? Also, there are many ways you can help folks without resorting to conflict.

Though, tbf here, I think Midnight does touch on this subject.

It's literally what like 50% of the Harandar story is about. Yeah, they are watching over the trees themselves in a way, however, they do it through the roots. The roots however are the most important things to them. The problem with the burning of Teldrassil is that the Rootwarden wasn't at the roots and by the time they noticed, it was over already.

The prior threats have been slower things like corruptions etc. (and even then, they haven't really done much about it because they didn't want to leave the underground).

[Ersula]

Aren't they watching over the tree itself though? Not the roots? Also, there are many ways you can help folks without resorting to conflict.

Though, tbf here, I think Midnight does touch on this subject.

I see another advantage to the supremely stupid "special fast tree burning magic" line they used to explain away that plot hole in BFA, despite burning the tree being a spontaneous decision when horde forces failed to kill Malfurion.

Just try not to think about how its even dumber that Teldrassil's roots will be burning longer than the tree was even alive. The roots are still burning there today despite Teldrassil only being planted 20 years ago. How tf does that work? These trees growing so fast must be a nightmare for the Haranir. For millenia there were three world trees, then in the last few years massive roots from two new trees popped up.

[Kiivar86]

Just try not to think about how its even dumber that Teldrassil's roots will be burning longer than the tree was even alive. The roots are still burning there today despite Teldrassil only being planted 20 years ago. How tf does that work? These trees growing so fast must be a nightmare for the Haranir. For millenia there were three world trees, then in the last few years massive roots from two new trees popped up.

Ehh, I'm not too bothered by the burning myself. There are situations in real life of stuff burning for ages, look at Centralia, though that's a massive coal deposit in that case.

Now the latter part, about the new tree roots, that is a bit silly, yeah.

[Nightshade711]

Legion pre-patch was just a bunch of invasion points, yes. But they also had a scale that the more recent pre-patches don't have. For one, there were simply more zones being invaded. Secondly, the way it had you start small, go big across the entire zone, then return to the starting area made it feel less like a straight up mob grinder. And lastly, the enemies you fought had an impressive scale. Flying across the Barrens to kill a giant fel walker feels more impressive than flying across a zone to kill a regular mob.

Though I would say that we have had good pre-patch events. And also good pre-patch rewards. Legion is just one of the few where it had both. BfA for instance had a great event in Darkshore with lots to do, but no good rewards for repeat play.

The scale is a big part, same with how fast the leveling was through it... it was also the fact that you were able to destroy the buildings/portals that were spawned in around the zone too that I thought was really neat. The rewards weren't too bad for its time, at least the recolored set we got was a recent one and not an unused classic-cata era mog.

[Hitei]

2. I could be mistaken, but weren't the Legion invasions the first time we saw the invasion-style content format? If so, it would have felt more novel at that time because it wasn't retreading the format of previous prepatch stuff.

No. The first three expansions all had invasion pre-patches.

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Right, which is exactly why they don't. Because the well of eternity & the Nightwell were tapped into Azeroth's leylines: Literally the veins of the Worldsoul. The Sunwell does not do this.

??? The Sunwell is literally a leyline tap just suffused with the Well water. It was specifically created from a leyline convergence.

[Joszef Kiprich]

I actually liked the WotLK pre patch more then the Legion one...

[Ersula]

No. The first three expansions all had invasion pre-patches.

Okay but the Legion one is the only time its actually felt like an invasion. There were actual ships & the event rolled out in phases. Ones that came after were very similar but also less coherent. The actual drama created by the pretense is what matters.

??? The Sunwell is literally a leyline tap just suffused with the Well water. It was specifically created from a leyline convergence.

I don't think that's accurate. Or at least the vein dried up pretty quickly. Why else did they have to replenish it with demonic forces & the naaru at all? Wouldn't Kel'thuzad have corrupted the entire planet directly? The Nightwell & the Well of Eternity didn't need to bother with all that.

I actually liked the WotLK pre patch more then the Legion one...

Wasn't that just a slightly updated version of the naxx pre-event?

[tufy123]

I don't think that's accurate. Or at least the vein dried up pretty quickly. Why else did they have to replenish it with demonic forces & the naaru at all? Wouldn't Kel'thuzad have corrupted the entire planet directly? The Nightwell & the Well of Eternity didn't need to bother with all that.

Sunwell is known to have been created on the leyline nexus since WC3. How exactly the wells function and what they are may be explored in Midnight, but the way I always understood it was that the arcane portion of the well never went away (well, it did go on a vacation for a while ), it was just tainted by necromantic energies, then fel and finally purified through a naaru, which removed the taint, but in turn changed the sunwell into a hybrid arcane-light well.

[Hitei]

Okay but the Legion one is the only time its actually felt like an invasion.

...The actual drama created by the pretense is what matters.

I mean, that's your opinion, but I hard disagree. BC had the demons actually attacking the front gates of cities and threatening bosses, Cata likewise had actual attacks on cities. Wrath brought back 1.11's plague which caused actual danger in main cities. They were all infinitely more dramatic and invasion-esque than demons standing around pillars in westfall or the barrens.

I don't think that's accurate. Or at least the vein dried up pretty quickly.

It's accurate. They literally looked for/found a place where the leylines of the region converged and created the well there.

Why else did they have to replenish it with demonic forces & the naaru at all? Wouldn't Kel'thuzad have corrupted the entire planet directly? The Nightwell & the Well of Eternity didn't need to bother with all that.

Because its desecration compromised the Well portion, so they could no longer get enough mana from it and the naaru fixed it. One faucet being broken doesn't mean the entire house's plumbing also breaks.

[Ersula]

Because its desecration compromised the Well portion, so they could no longer get enough mana from it and the naaru fixed it. One faucet being broken doesn't mean the entire house's plumbing also breaks.

Okay, but the point is still there: The sunwell is a lot less potent than the nightwell because while the sunwell was just one leyline while the Nightwell was a convergence of leylines. Unlike the Nightwell & Well of Eternity: The Sunwell is less powerful. The Sunwell doesn't let its users live for 10,000 years, and the Sunwell has less of a connection to Azeroth & the Worldsoul.

[Hitei]

Okay, but the point is still there: The sunwell is a lot less potent than the nightwell because while the sunwell was just one leyline while the Nightwell was a convergence of leylines. Unlike the Nightwell & Well of Eternity: The Sunwell is less powerful. The Sunwell doesn't let its users live for 10,000 years, and the Sunwell has less of a connection to Azeroth & the Worldsoul.

???? What?

It was specifically created from a leyline convergence.

[Xilurm]

I mean, that's your opinion, but I hard disagree. BC had the demons actually attacking the front gates of cities and threatening bosses, Cata likewise had actual attacks on cities. Wrath brought back 1.11's plague which caused actual danger in main cities. They were all infinitely more dramatic and invasion-esque than demons standing around pillars in westfall or the barrens.

I'll always be annoyed that Blizzard isn't doing this because... people complained.

Like, what are you doing that a fun event like this is so disrupting to you? It's sad because those were way cooler than this. It's actually what you want to see in a video game.

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Okay, but the point is still there: The sunwell is a lot less potent than the nightwell because while the sunwell was just one leyline while the Nightwell was a convergence of leylines. Unlike the Nightwell & Well of Eternity: The Sunwell is less powerful. The Sunwell doesn't let its users live for 10,000 years, and the Sunwell has less of a connection to Azeroth & the Worldsoul.

Which Well of Eternity are you talking about? The second one only gave Night Elves immortality because Nozdormu blessed it. Would be cool if it was revealed that Amirdrassil makes them immortal again.

[Ersula]

???? What?

The line you have a problem with is literally the first sentence on the Nightwell's wowpedia wiki.

Which Well of Eternity are you talking about? The second one only gave Night Elves immortality because Nozdormu blessed it. Would be cool if it was revealed that Amirdrassil makes them immortal again.

I'm beginning to think none of the immortality talk in the lore makes any sense at all. Why is Azshara immortal? She wasn't blessed by the Dragonflights. Are all Naga immortal? Can the Old Gods bestow immortality? They probably should have done that for their minions.