Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

There was something posted in the H*gh Elf containment thread. Just search for Silversun Compact . I'm myself not 100% sure that's true, but there seem to be hints towards it.

Found what you were talking about:

https://imgur.com/a/from-beta-data-rjx3k87

Silversun_starter
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This really does fit the bill and would make a lot of sense. High Elves deciding where to settle after their long exile. Technically different from Velf and Belf as they would have their own aesthetic and color scheme, and not be tied to either of their baggage.

[Jaggler]

I dunno, I just can't shake the feeling that Horde is going to get void elves and Alliance is going to get Blood Elves. Not just shared customizations for their existing races, but a wholesale race exchange, where both those races are fully playable on either faction. It's just too weird and timely that the Silversun Compact and United Elves exist, and that Umbric/void elves are being allowed to set up permanent shop in Silvermoon again, if not for something like this.

It would also solve the issue (not an issue in my mind, but I've seen it discussed) of parity between Horde/Alliance DH races - if void elves are made available to both factions, then both factions got a new DH race this expansion.

And of course, if blood elves are available to both factions, then that's the high elf issue solved.

Could be wrong, but to me the setup seems clear. I have been wrong about other setups before though; ones that I thought were just as clear, lol.

Blood Elf for Alliance would'nt really solve their issue though, because their main issue is the wrong tooltip, so that wouldn't really help them. And the Blood Elves/Silvermoon as a nation going neutral as a whole also make no sense in the grand scheme of things. Blood Elves have no reason to become neutral/leave the Horde.

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Found what you were talking about:

https://imgur.com/a/from-beta-data-rjx3k87

This really does fit the bill and would make a lot of sense. High Elves deciding where to settle after their long exile.

It's basically their whole struggle encapsulated: Where do their true allegiances lie the Alliance: Then you are a member of the Alliance and your home is Stormwind, or Silvermoon, then your home is Silvermoon and you become a member of the Horde. Alliance gets their High Elves and Horde doesn't lose anything. I can also totally see neutral Void Elves. Their allegiance with the Alliance didn*t really help them to get beack into Silvermoon anyways and they could be asked the same question: What's their true allegiance.

The only problem I'll see is how they will integrate it into the UI. Maybe they'll combine them all into one button with Horde being able to choose an "Origin" from Velf, Helf and Belf and Alliance being able to choose Helf anf Velf.

[Runick]

Blood Elf for Alliance would'nt really solve their issue though, because their main issue is the wrong tooltip, so that wouldn't really help them. And the Blood Elves/Silvermoon as a nation going neutral as a whole also make no sense in the grand scheme of things. Blood Elves have no reason to become neutral/leave the Horde.

I didn't clarify, but presumably in this scenario I would see void elves retaining their tooltip across factions, and then a tooltip swap between blood/high elf depending on chosen faction. I don't see Silvermoon blood elves going full-on neutral.

[Cheezits]

The only problem I'll see is how they will integrate it into the UI. Maybe they'll combine them all into one button with Horde being able to choose an "Origin" from Velf, Helf and Belf and Alliance being able to choose Helf anf Velf.

If anything it's going to be another elf on the AR list.

[Jaggler]

If anything it's going to be another elf on the AR list.

Maybe they'll finally clean up the character creation UI. They could use the "Origin" to integrate High Mountain into Tauren or Mag'har into the Orc, Mechagnomes into gnomes etc. could free up space in a screen that's getting kinda cluttered.

[huth]

What are some thoughts on new landmasses that will inevitably appear on Azeroth? Based on the updated world map, of course.

[IMG]

Apart from "Avaloren" and the Arathi Empire's homeland... what other places are there that we have not been to yet? Big enough to warrant being added to the game, that is.

The are between Kalimdor and Northrend (west of the Broken Isles) is just ripe for like 1-2 new continents.

They'll just re-arrange the map again. I don't think there is any point in trying to glean information from this.

[Xilurm]

That + starting zone HD art in the "choose your experience" for Belves on beta kind of points to what you said about neutral elves.

The what? /10char

[Cheezits]

The what? /10char

On the beta, when you make a new Belf the "choose your starting zone" has Exile's Reach and Sunstrider Isle as usual. However, the art for Sunstrider Isle has been updated to show how it looks in Midnight. When you select it you just go to TBC as usual, but I assume there's going to be an actual HD version of the starting zone for them.

[Xilurm]

On the beta, when you make a new Belf the "choose your starting zone" has Exile's Reach and Sunstrider Isle as usual. However, the art for Sunstrider Isle has been updated to show how it looks in Midnight. When you select it you just go to TBC as usual, but I assume there's going to be an actual HD version of the starting zone for them.

Oh right. That doesn't seem like it will be in for launch though. Then again it wouldn't make sense for the story if they make it a launch thing before the actual "unification" happens. Assuming they're gonna turn all the High Elves and their offshoots into a neutral race.

[Cheezits]

Oh right. That doesn't seem like it will be in for launch though. Then again it wouldn't make sense for the story if they make it a launch thing before the actual "unification" happens. Assuming they're gonna turn all the High Elves and their offshoots into a neutral race.

Yeah, that plus some things we're talking about potentially from the files, plus the leaked story, makes it look like all Thalassians that aren't Velf/Belf are getting lumped together into a new neutral race.

Hopefully they get new customizations...?

[Viridiel]

Found what you were talking about:

https://imgur.com/a/from-beta-data-rjx3k87




This really does fit the bill and would make a lot of sense. High Elves deciding where to settle after their long exile. Technically different from Velf and Belf as they would have their own aesthetic and color scheme, and not be tied to either of their baggage.

It's fake.

[Cheezits]

It's fake.

Really? (10 char)

[Viridiel]

Really? (10 char)

Yes. Sound/image files are a lot harder to verify, but strings take like 2 minutes for anyone who knows what they're doing to check. Not a single dataminer has been able to corroborate it.

[Scyth]

Ah I see the Helf cope train is back in full force again, it's only been a few weeks since the last one!

[SaintBigfoot]

Huh saw the possible subclass additions list: Ranged Death Knight and Tank Shaman interest me the most

[Jolly Roger]

maximum aluminum theory here
instead of just more levels and a few talents in TLT
they add new specs to multiple classes and through the expansion more are given
they also use this to test neutral race starter areas like alliance elves

this ties into the mutitude of different combos in that survey

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Huh saw the possible subclass additions list: Ranged Death Knight and Tank Shaman interest me the most

i mean they fit thematically which i think is why they will eventually come in

[WeAreNotSmilesTimes]

What are some thoughts on new landmasses that will inevitably appear on Azeroth? Based on the updated world map, of course.



Apart from "Avaloren" and the Arathi Empire's homeland... what other places are there that we have not been to yet? Big enough to warrant being added to the game, that is.

The are between Kalimdor and Northrend (west of the Broken Isles) is just ripe for like 1-2 new continents.

I really wish they'd adjust the sizes of these island areas on the map. The whole things looks so awkward now

[Rhlor]

May be, But I think the Neutral SC has more interesting story telling potential.

With the dissolution of the Silver Covenant High Elves have the choice to join/lice in Silvermoon and by extension the Horde or if they don't want to associate with them, they remain part of the Alliance. Which is also reflected in the fact that Horde ones start in Silvermoon and Alliance ones start in Stormwind (if that one random guys datamine is true)

This is where I understood Silversun to be: the union of Silver Covenant and Sunreaver after both factions disbanded.

Making Silversun neutral basically means making the Blood Elves neutral.

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Blood Elf for Alliance would'nt really solve their issue though, because their main issue is the wrong tooltip, so that wouldn't really help them. And the Blood Elves/Silvermoon as a nation going neutral as a whole also make no sense in the grand scheme of things. Blood Elves have no reason to become neutral/leave the Horde.

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It's basically their whole struggle encapsulated: Where do their true allegiances lie the Alliance: Then you are a member of the Alliance and your home is Stormwind, or Silvermoon, then your home is Silvermoon and you become a member of the Horde. Alliance gets their High Elves and Horde doesn't lose anything. I can also totally see neutral Void Elves. Their allegiance with the Alliance didn*t really help them to get beack into Silvermoon anyways and they could be asked the same question: What's their true allegiance.

The only problem I'll see is how they will integrate it into the UI. Maybe they'll combine them all into one button with Horde being able to choose an "Origin" from Velf, Helf and Belf and Alliance being able to choose Helf anf Velf.

Silversun is a faction created by Silver Covenant and Sunreaver after their disbandment.

Creating Silversun is essentially having blood elves, since blood elves already have high elf customization, and Silversun is a faction created by high elves and blood elves.

It would make more sense to give blood elf customization to void elves and void elf customization to blood elves.

[Auxis]

Anyone got a link to a reddit post or any of the descriptions for the specs in the survey? The only reddit post I can find on the current survey is deleted and the rest are about the previous survey from that German site (the one about new classes).

[Enrif]

I dunno, I just can't shake the feeling that Horde is going to get void elves and Alliance is going to get Blood Elves. Not just shared customizations for their existing races, but a wholesale race exchange, where both those races are fully playable on either faction. It's just too weird and timely that the Silversun Compact and United Elves exist, and that Umbric/void elves are being allowed to set up permanent shop in Silvermoon again, if not for something like this.

It would also solve the issue (not an issue in my mind, but I've seen it discussed) of parity between Horde/Alliance DH races - if void elves are made available to both factions, then both factions got a new DH race this expansion.

And of course, if blood elves are available to both factions, then that's the high elf issue solved.

Could be wrong, but to me the setup seems clear. I have been wrong about other setups before though; ones that I thought were just as clear, lol.

This would be the ideal solution.

I also think they could update the characters creation screen and decouple the neutral races from the horde and alliance sides. Perhaps as a row on the top? If Belf/Velf become neutral we would have 6 neutral races in Midnight: Pandaren, Dracthyr, Earthen, Haranir, Blood Elf, Void Elf.

And if my hypothesis is correct, another one, draenei (through the nethersent draenei), might be on the way too. Then there is the amani who may or may not be neutral either. Making the neutral roster soon big enough to rival the alliance/horde only choices.