Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

To be fair, that'd require the Horde leaders to actually appear, and showing a Horde logo to the writing staff is like showing a demon the sign of the cross.

Kalimdor. It's their refusal to use Kalimdor IMO, not so much "No Horde Allowed". How long did it take for them to confirm the Nelf presence on Kalimdor even once after BFA?

[Xilurm]

As regards Thalyssra, the main thing you could play with especially given where they're going with this is to cause some cultural and marital strife. The main difference (besides quality) between the TBC Blood Elf story and Suramar is that at the end of the latter, the well is destroyed and in the former, it's reconfigured and the elves continue to get their fix. Midnight focuses on the issue with this. Having Thalyssra as someoen actively pushing for the blood elves to destroy the well the way the Nightbrne did as a solution to foil Xal'atath's plot would have given her and her rarce an interesting niche and given something to clash with the blood elves about. All the while, the occupation of Siilvermoon in the interest of a cosmic war that might end up with it destroyed also gives her nice parallels to work with in Legion.

The only reason she did that was because they had the Arcan'dor. They wouldn't even consider it otherwise. At that point the Nightwell was just symbolic and a part of their culture. They didn't need it anymore. The Blood Elves still need the Sunwell.

[Raetary]

The only reason she did that was because they had the Arcan'dor. They wouldn't even consider it otherwise. At that point the Nightwell was just symbolic and a part of their culture. They didn't need it anymore. The Blood Elves still need the Sunwell.

They are allied nations, and their leaders are married.

The Blood Elves don't need the Sunwell either, because they can just import Arcan'dor fruit from Suramar.

[Super Dickmann]

The only reason she did that was because they had the Arcan'dor. They wouldn't even consider it otherwise. At that point the Nightwell was just symbolic and a part of their culture. They didn't need it anymore. The Blood Elves still need the Sunwell.

Have her offer the Arcan'dor to the blood elves. The decision was about the possibility of misuse and addiction to a massively powerful power source. The Nightborne chose consciously to destroy theirs. The Blood Elves chose (or didn't, as TBC eats and Velen did it for them) to instead maintain this power source, lacking a magical copout on hand, the Nightborne however have that cop out. The difference in that decision has story potential.

[milkmustache]

Kalimdor. It's their refusal to use Kalimdor IMO, not so much "No Horde Allowed". How long did it take for them to confirm the Nelf presence on Kalimdor even once after BFA?

Guess I never really thought about this further, but you're so right. Silithus is really our only acknowledgement of Kalimdor in 6 years, and it's only in an announcement cinematic.

I'm thrilled to be back in Quel'thalas, and even happier to go back to Northrend, but it you're completely right, it seems like they just do not know how to handle the Horde and in effect have abandoned Kalimdor, harming the writing of everyone who calls it home.

[Cheezits]

Well... Thalyssra DOES put an Arcan'dor fruit in the Dawnwell so that may play into what is being discussed. It's clearly not enough by itself.

[Super Dickmann]

Kalimdor. It's their refusal to use Kalimdor IMO, not so much "No Horde Allowed". How long did it take for them to confirm the Nelf presence on Kalimdor even once after BFA?

They didn't feature zombies despite them being the deuteragonists in the original Ghostlands except as minor villains and there are 0 (zero) Horde trolls in Zul'Aman. It's not a geographic issue, Blizzard just don't like writing any character that'd be out of place in the Fellowship. Forsaken, trolls and orcs are disgusting uggos who's only use is to assist Anduin Arator in learning life lessons.

[Xilurm]

Sure, but that's lame though. If they find a way it should be their own, not some purple fruit from Suramar. There's logic in it, but Warcraft isn't really about logic. If it was they wouldn't be spilling Void essences into the Sunwell.

[Super Dickmann]

Well... Thalyssra DOES put an Arcan'dor fruit in the Dawnwell so that may play into what is being discussed. It's clearly not enough by itself.

Sure, but that's just post-script. The diference in decsion-making, if it's explored, would be only after the Sunwell is already a goner and corrupted.

[Cheezits]

They didn't feature zombies despite them being the deuteragonists in the original Ghostlands except as minor villains and there are 0 (zero) Horde trolls in Zul'Aman. It's not a geographic issue, Blizzard just don't like writing any character that'd be out of place in the Fellowship. Forsaken, trolls and orcs are disgusting uggos who's only use is to assist Anduin Arator in learning life lessons.

The lack of trolls and forsaken feel sadly like it's due to patch bait, but if no other tribes show up to fight the Big Snake I'll take the L.

Meta-wise it's also so we don't waste on any Amani sidequests on Zappyboi stubbing his toe.

[Super Dickmann]

Sure, but that's lame though. If they find a way it should be their own, not some purple fruit from Suramar. There's logic in it, but Warcraft isn't really about logic. If it was they wouldn't be spilling Void essences into the Sunwell.

I don't like the cop out fruit or the Friendship Well, I'm only talking about how you could integrate Thalyssra and the Nightborne into the story and an ideological issue you could spin out from. The Blood Elves actually solving their addiction immediately (as they do) using one or more plot devices is a bad call. Not doing a withdrawal story will already be a massive missed opportunity given how essential it was to the race even existing and its schisms and how the Nightborne story, otherwise better in every way than the TBC Blood Elf one, avoided the issue of having a city entirely composed of addicts all suffering withdrawal via the Arcan'dor. Sacrificing the power source and developing past addiction only works as a story beat if it is an actual sacrifice with costs and said addition imposes a price.

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The lack of trolls and forsaken feel sadly like it's due to patch bait, but if no other tribes show up to fight the Big Snake I'll take the L.

Meta-wise it's also so we don't waste on any Amani sidequests on Zappyboi stubbing his toe.

Oh, no, like I said, it should have been Talanji at the forefront, Rokhan in a pinch, but they've been afraid to feature her. Their last chance is 12.1: Snakes on an Island.

[Cheezits]

We're also missing a LOT of context for the situation with the well, there could be a ridiculous amount of quests surrounding it. Even if Unity Well will never be palatable to some, there may be some actual good writing and politicking involved- that's just not expected after Dragonflight.

[Super Dickmann]

We're also missing a LOT of context for the situation with the well, there could be a ridiculous amount of quests surrounding it. Even if Unity Well will never be palatable to some, there may be some actual good writing and politicking involved- that's just not expected after Dragonflight.

The politicking in Midnight (Amani aside) has been the least awful in a decade and the Blood Elves are, as said, already defanged for twenty years by this point, so I'm ready to be more charitable when it comes out.

[Joshuaj]

Sure, but that's just post-script. The diference in decsion-making, if it's explored, would be only after the Sunwell is already a goner and corrupted.

Well, that's why the Dawnwell exists. It's enough to keep the light of the Sunwell somewhat there, but it's nowhere near strong enough to provide the push it once did.

[Xilurm]

TBH if we go with them having any logic, I'm sure they could've asked the Night Elves to build a few hundred moonwells in Eversong for quite a while now. Velen would vouch for the Blood Elves.

[Nymrohd]

Honestly the only bad part of Zul'aman imo was Liadrin.

[Jaggler]

Kalimdor. It's their refusal to use Kalimdor IMO, not so much "No Horde Allowed". How long did it take for them to confirm the Nelf presence on Kalimdor even once after BFA?

They are able to use Alliance characters all the time while being away from Kalimdor. "Kalimdor" also applies to Night Elves, but somehow Blizz managed to cram them into three expansions consecutively. They just choose not to use them.

[Cheezits]

They are able to use Alliance characters all the time while being away from Kalimdor. "Kalimdor" also applies to Night Elves, but somehow Blizz managed to cram them into three expansions consecutively. They just choose not to use them.

And people were asking about Nelves even being able to live on Kalimdor post-Darkshore. That question was not answered until the damn ending of Dragonflight.

Either they have some 5D chess plan for Kalimdor in the future or they just have no interest in figuring out what is going on there.

[Xilurm]

Still hoping that 14.0 is a Kalimdor revamp of some sort.

[Redwyrm]

Still hoping that 14.0 is a Kalimdor revamp of some sort.

It would depend on the type of revamp for me. Whether it's a total overhaul of zones and quests or an upgrade to textures and models. How much it takes away from the next expansion or if it is the next expansion setting (which I hope not, Cata has been done once and I don't think a second run at that is worth it).

If I had to choose between revamp and focusing 100% on brand new locations. The choice is the later for me.