Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[whoisqnx]

There are some things that make me question the leaked Northrend map. Prime among them is the deletion of Grizzly Hills and Howling Fjord, considering they are pretty universally beloved. Considering how closely the stuck to the geography of Quel'thalas, i have doubts that they would alter Northrend that significantly for TLT. But we'll see i guess.

There is absolutely no way they delete Grizzly Hills and/or Howling Fjord, i really really dont see them doing that. If anything they will change Borean Tundra a lot since its been memed for years now that its Boring Tundra. Probably Storm Peaks too where several mountains could be made hollow with titan machinery and skyriding would be pretty cool going in and out of a mountain

[Makabreska]

We got scraps of information about TLT, so of course some peeps instantly had to create fake leaks. This WSS announcement really messed up their "little trolling".

[tufy123]

Can we stop and think though for a sec.

You are. Shooting people. To heal them.

Even if they got some super soldier serum on an arrow, it's just a dumb idea to me.

I am willing to change my mind if someone sells it for me though.

https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/champions/senna/

[AmaniTroll]

Do you guys think Zul'Drak will still be around? If Amani get two zones in Midnight with Atal'Utek I'm worried they will destroy Zul'Drak

[Enrif]

Do you guys think Zul'Drak will still be around? If Amani get two zones in Midnight with Atal'Utek I'm worried they will destroy Zul'Drak

Zul'drak was destroyed in Wrath by the scourge and Drakuru, barely any Drakkari survived that. I wouldn't be surprised if the Drakkari are just a small faction left, if at all, and they just use blue amani models.

It will be anyway interesting which groups they will use, and how, in Northrend, as it has a rather diversere population even if we ignore the alliance/horde forces there: Drakkari, Taunka, Vrykul, Earthen, Frostborne, Mechagnomes, Iron Dwarves/Vrykul, Frost Giants, Wolvar, Oracles, Furbolgs, Tuskarr, Dryads, Snowbolds, Magnataurs, Naga, Dragons, Nerubians, and of course all the undead.

[whoisqnx]

Do you guys think Zul'Drak will still be around? If Amani get two zones in Midnight with Atal'Utek I'm worried they will destroy Zul'Drak

According to the Northrend book, isnt it Zul'Drak that is completly overrun by the scourge? Im pretty sure I remember reading that. If anything, they could turn it into an icy scourge strongehold since we also know there are scourge warlords fighting eachother now.

[AmaniTroll]

Heard from a friend of a friend take it worth a grain of salt.

Last Titan development already making good progress. Most of Borean tundra is under the ocean from naga and primalists working together. The remaining zone is combined with Sholozar Basin. Similar is the case with Howling Fjord and Grizzly Hills being combined and being ruled over by a titan keeper uniting the vrykul and remaining iron dwarves which will serve as the starting experience. Dragonblight will mostly deal with primalists and some returning Dragonflight characters. Zul'drak will involve a character from Zul'aman coming with us and confronting their even more brutal cousins in the north. Icecrown will be combined with Crystalsong and will deal with undead warlords and arcane magicc. Stormpeaks will be in a fierce winter storm that will prevent players from entering it at launch.

Mounts will undergo minor changes. Mount equipment will be removed and built into ground mounts to always have waterwalking and no daze to give them a bonus versus flying mounts. The first patch zone will include a lot of verticalality and wallclimbing with ground mounts will be a thing.

The new class is Artificer which will be a blend of technology and titan magic available to all classes. Dagran will be the major Artificer character in the expansion having learned somethings from the archives in Dornogol. It can dps/tank/heal and uses a bunch of technology in combat and abilities that summon non-controlled minions (think demo lock without the main pet) calling on turrets and medic drones.

New shaman spec will be Earthwarder that will be represented through Thrall who is ready to crack some skulls. It will be focused on earth, frost and fire sharing a hero spec with enhance and restoration. New race/class combos include kul tiran, night elf, highmountain tauren and undead paladins. The undead paladin lore will be seeded in later in Midnight with Calia Menethil forming an organization of paladins for Lordaeron that have both undead and living paladins mostly ex-scarlet crusade who regret their choices. Derek Proudmoore will pursue this path to better serve Calia.

The major class feature for TLT is basically limit breaks from FF14. With the stakes being raised in TLT they want to show that through gameplay. This will vary from class to class and have different effects. Examples are druids invoking the wild gods, priests summoning a naaru, evokers call in a dragons and the demon hunters call in a strike from the Fel Hammer.

First raid tier will include two raids. A titan-themed raid with Odyn as the final boss but unlike Midnight the 1-boss raid will be the true final boss of the tier. This will be Chromatus who primalists sabotage the prison in the Nexus.

They are working better on building up the final boss of the second tier for an expansion. Iridikron is not the main antagonist but he and his primalists will be a threat during some of the questlines at launch with Thrall being a rival of sorts. The first major patch zone will be underground and can be accessed from multiple zones later on underneath Northrend where the raid with Iridikron will be and the primalist leader Magatha Grimtotem. No word on what is after the first patch.

What do we think about this? I'm looking at all copium for Zul'Drak to still be around. This leak from last month sounds really cool and came out before the class spec survey which included tank shaman which adds credibility. PLEASE keep Zul'Drak in tact Blizzard!

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According to the Northrend book, isnt it Zul'Drak that is completly overrun by the scourge? Im pretty sure I remember reading that. If anything, they could turn it into an icy scourge strongehold since we also know there are scourge warlords fighting eachother now.

My main hope is that they do not destroy the zone like that leaked art showed for Grizzly Hills.

[Lahis]

This does not change my perspective that Blizzard Entertainment is in a great position with every franchise (Except Hearthstone(?)) and things are going very well both financially and current community atmosphere. I'm just disappointed from a Lore/Narrative perspective at how brazenly uninterested they are in "meeting the moment".

Are they on good enough position? That 30% profit mandate is harsh.

[Enrif]

What do we think about this? I'm looking at all copium for Zul'Drak to still be around. This leak from last month sounds really cool and came out before the class spec survey which included tank shaman which adds credibility. PLEASE keep Zul'Drak in tact Blizzard!
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No, it doesn't add credibility. Tank shaman is such a long requested thing, it is nearly as obvious a fan request as tinkers or high elves. Now, if it would have had healer hunter or ranged dps DK/Monk, than it might have credibility.

[Lahis]

Hopefully the destroyed Northrend map is fake. If there's one thing Cataclysm taught us, it is that revamps should have us leave a place in a better condition than we found it in.

Especially if their goal is, as they say in the video, that we should be able to revisit old places. Modern Blizzard blowing up Northrend in order to tell a high octane story about Iridikron does not achieve that. Since Northrend is a separate island unlike Quel'Thalas, there doesn't really seem to be a need for it either.

It doesn't sound like they want to destroy it though, based on the video. Sounds like they're pretty sentimental about those zones while applying a layer of new story. Definitely changing the look of some zones, I think, since they seem to suggest they want them to flow together like Eversong and Ghostlands.

For me what matters most is that the Scandinavian feel is preserved, in everything from the flora and fauna to the skyboxes and vistas, and of course the music.

Ideally you'll be able to play as some kind of Vrykul Runeweaver or Bard leaving your home village in order defend Northrend against Iridikron's attacks.

Maybe it is not destroyed map, but outlining the zones that get updated for TLT? Zones that are not outlined in the map wouldn't be sunk into the sea, they would just stay as is.

[AmaniTroll]

No, it doesn't add credibility. Tank shaman is such a long requested thing, it is nearly as obvious a fan request as tinkers or high elves. Now, if it would have had healer hunter or ranged dps DK/Monk, than it might have credibility.

To me it adds credibility because I can see them adding that in a Northrend themed expansion over something like ranged DK or healer hunter, and this is before everyone started talking about the survey, and I think Artificer sounds kinda fake leaky but I'm just coping because it said Zul'Drak would be a zone

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Does anyone have that leaked drawing of Northrend by the way? I don't know how Zul'Drak was looking on it other than it not being there.

[whoisqnx]

Weststudio's concept arts for War Within has a lot of interesting things that might come in play later in the saga, since those concept arts were done before they decided on turning it into a three part saga. There is a split open sea or landmass aswell

[Enrif]

To me it adds credibility because I can see them adding that in a Northrend themed expansion over something like ranged DK or healer hunter, and this is before everyone started talking about the survey, and I think Artificer sounds kinda fake leaky but I'm just coping because it said Zul'Drak would be a zone

really? Northrend, but nothing for DK`, yet more fitting for shaman? Is that really credible? or wishful thinking of yourself?

[AmaniTroll]

really? Northrend, but nothing for DK`, yet more fitting for shaman? Is that really credible? or wishful thinking of yourself?

Iridirkron and Earth make more sense to me in TLT than Undead from Wrath. I think one of the new zones that is like Voidstorm and Harandar will be Iridikron's underground home from that novel.

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Maybe unpopular but I would rather have new specs from that survey than any new class like a artificer or tinker.

[whoisqnx]

I can see elements, shamans come in play in Last Titan with maybe Iridikron, Thrall...using the planet itself to fight back the Titans, or atleast Amanthul...let's be real, Iridikron might be the incarnate of earth but he also looks like he could be a shaman tank with floating rocks around himself..and he never really cared about us or to kill us, he wants revenge on the Titans, not us.

[AmaniTroll]

Weststudio's concept arts for War Within has a lot of interesting things that might come in play later in the saga, since those concept arts were done before they decided on turning it into a three part saga. There is a split open sea or landmass aswell

That's the one with the staircase to the Beledar, yeah? Maybe not intended for Northrend but will be used for it anyway like the split sea?

[Enrif]

I can see elements, shamans come in play in Last Titan with maybe Iridikron, Thrall...using the planet itself to fight back the Titans, or atleast Amanthul...let's be real, Iridikron might be the incarnate of earth but he also looks like he could be a shaman tank with floating rocks around himself..and he never really cared about us or to kill us, he wants revenge on the Titans, not us.

erm... you know, Thrall in northrend using the powers of the earth... was used before? And people did not like it

[AmaniTroll]

I have a word document I'll paste.

97osol messages
October 31st 2023
3:58 pg 2309
the first riddle for 11.0 will be found on page 1418

4:27 pg2312
The riddle was found in the shaper of worlds. For your next quest, find the fourth in the fourth, who may point you further.

5:16 pg2316
Knowledge of Warcraft is essential, the last clue may be too difficult for some. Y, C, Y, N, are the four.

5:29 pg2317
Giving you runes made it easy. The fourth god in the fourth war, he will be involved, but you already known. Your location already known: Khaz Algar. The Shaper of Worlds detailed your plot. What can you discover new? class or race? Now the 1st, 18th, and 20th, will give you some runes, the rest you will have to fill in. Use two of your eyes.

6:19 pg 2322
ART is correct, now use your eyes. The race will come next.

7:02 pg 2327
“ARTificer?”
You discovered your class... now about your race? Your first step: Go to the storm.

7:09 pg2328
The Stormpeaks are home of the Stormforged Artificer, both steps have been solved, but Stormforged Iron Dwarf is not your race. The Earthen of Khaz Algar, based on them. You got your plot, your continent, your race, your class, but what about systems?

7:11 pg2329
It is time for me to sleep, and will let you think before my return, your revamped world is not just a hope.

November 1st 2023
11:50am pg2377
Hello fellow robots. I return for your next riddle. Your world will be revamped, with your Earthen Artificer, but what system can you find in 64 72 61 67 6f 6e 62 6c 69 67 68 74 (Dragonblight)

12:28pm pg2380
Artificer for all races. Path of the titans is your system. Perhaps last one was too easy.
lets make this a little harder
(Image is reupload of K’aresh fan art from 10 years ago – steganography revealed a link to a reddit post about removing transmog restrictions)

1:11 pg2386
You solved the riddle, i tried a little harder, but am not good with them. You have Khaz Algar, Titanforged Earthen Artificers, Void involved, Path of the Titans, World Revamp, and Transmog all armor types.

1:19 pg2389
Yes it is true,Quel'thalas and Draenei islands become part of kalimdor and eastern kingdoms. No loading screens.

What do we think about this? Post from Dragonflight mentioned leak about Earthen, Artificer, revamped zones, Quel'Thalas, Storm Peaks, K'aresh and transmog restrictions removed. I want new specs but if this legit I wouldn't mind. Trolls are my fav race so Zul'Drak is most important as long as we get that in addition to ZA and Atal'Utek I will be happy for a few years break of them.

[Hearthfinder]

Maybe it is not destroyed map, but outlining the zones that get updated for TLT? Zones that are not outlined in the map wouldn't be sunk into the sea, they would just stay as is.

Maybe but in the video they made it sound like they want it to be too jarring with old and new zones right next to each other, unless I'm mistaken.

[AmaniTroll]

I have a word document I'll paste.

97osol messages
October 31st 2023
3:58 pg 2309
the first riddle for 11.0 will be found on page 1418

4:27 pg2312
The riddle was found in the shaper of worlds. For your next quest, find the fourth in the fourth, who may point you further.

5:16 pg2316
Knowledge of Warcraft is essential, the last clue may be too difficult for some. Y, C, Y, N, are the four.

5:29 pg2317
Giving you runes made it easy. The fourth god in the fourth war, he will be involved, but you already known. Your location already known: Khaz Algar. The Shaper of Worlds detailed your plot. What can you discover new? class or race? Now the 1st, 18th, and 20th, will give you some runes, the rest you will have to fill in. Use two of your eyes.

6:19 pg 2322
ART is correct, now use your eyes. The race will come next.

7:02 pg 2327
“ARTificer?”
You discovered your class... now about your race? Your first step: Go to the storm.

7:09 pg2328
The Stormpeaks are home of the Stormforged Artificer, both steps have been solved, but Stormforged Iron Dwarf is not your race. The Earthen of Khaz Algar, based on them. You got your plot, your continent, your race, your class, but what about systems?

7:11 pg2329
It is time for me to sleep, and will let you think before my return, your revamped world is not just a hope.

November 1st 2023
11:50am pg2377
Hello fellow robots. I return for your next riddle. Your world will be revamped, with your Earthen Artificer, but what system can you find in 64 72 61 67 6f 6e 62 6c 69 67 68 74 (Dragonblight)

12:28pm pg2380
Artificer for all races. Path of the titans is your system. Perhaps last one was too easy.
lets make this a little harder

(Image is reupload of K’aresh fan art from 10 years ago – steganography revealed a link to a reddit post about removing transmog restrictions)

1:11 pg2386
You solved the riddle, i tried a little harder, but am not good with them. You have Khaz Algar, Titanforged Earthen Artificers, Void involved, Path of the Titans, World Revamp, and Transmog all armor types.

1:19 pg2389
Yes it is true,Quel'thalas and Draenei islands become part of kalimdor and eastern kingdoms. No loading screens.

What do we think about this? Post from Dragonflight mentioned leak about Earthen, Artificer, revamped zones, Quel'Thalas, Storm Peaks, K'aresh and transmog restrictions removed. I want new specs but if this legit I wouldn't mind. Trolls are my fav race so Zul'Drak is most important as long as we get that in addition to ZA and Atal'Utek I will be happy for a few years break of them.