Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hitei]

Wont let me post this for some reason because it has a link in it I think, this leak from Dragonflight mentions Storm Peaks, Quel'thalas, World Revamp, K'aresh, Earthen and an Artificer class. It looks like it could be legit still but I'm personally hoping we don't get a new class and instead get new specs for each class. I really want my Amani Troll Tank Shaman.

People have been saying the BC zones will get added to the regular continents for years, it's not a particularly impressive go to, and like 80% of that post is just flat out wrong.

[Reive]

What's wrong with Midnight? I'm not giving up on it until we don't get Amani Trolls.

Nothing wrong with it if you like paying for slightly bigger patches instead of expansions

[AmaniTroll]

Which patches had 4 zones 3 raids and 8 dungeons on launch?

[Xilurm]

Don't think it's hard to understand

They announced 3 expansions, they're gonna talk about all 3. What's so hard to understand?

No one tell Reive that Blizzard has always worked on multiple expansions at once. I guess you weren't around when Blizzard used to announce expansions before the last patch of the current one? We already knew what Wrath was going to be all about before the Sunwell raid had come out. We knew everything about Cataclysm before The fall of the Lich King, (arguably one of the most important patches in Warcraft's history back then) was out.

[AmaniTroll]

I have "Troll" in my name, but Reive is a bigger troll than I.

[Reive]

They announced 3 expansions, they're gonna talk about all 3. What's so hard to understand?

No one tell Reive that Blizzard has always worked on multiple expansions at once. I guess you weren't around when Blizzard used to announce expansions before the last patch of the current one? We already knew what Wrath was going to be all about before the Sunwell raid had come out. We knew everything about Cataclysm before The fall of the Lich King, (arguably one of the most important patches in Warcraft's history back then) was out.

No shit.

The difference is that we're already talking about about the third expansion of the trilogy when the second one is not even out yet. Give this game room to breathe man. Show your playerbase you care about what you're releasing instead of just worrying about releasing it

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I have "Troll" in my name, but Reive is a bigger troll than I.

Me disliking the direction this game is taking doesn't make me a troll

Btw they're not going to make a new rig for a potential middle-of-oxpansion race. The orc-trolls you saw in the previews are the best you can get

[Xilurm]

No shit.

The difference is that we're already talking about about the third expansion of the trilogy when the second one is not even out yet. Give this game room to breathe man. Show your playerbase you care about what you're releasing instead of just worrying about releasing it

Sounds like you're just making things up in your head so you have something to worry about. Them mentioning TLT doesn't have any bearing on whether they care about the game or not.

And if they did what you said then they'd have to stop releasing content every 2 months, which is the most content we've ever gotten in the history of this game.

So, either they are releasing too much content, or not. Which one is it? It can't be both.

[Makabreska]

Me disliking the direction this game is taking doesn't make me a troll

Man, who are you trying to fool here? Months ago you started saying that Midnight is a failure, for some reason (and long before that you had issues with things like Faerin gender and skin color). You come to this thread every now and then only to try to spin whatever piece of news we get negatively.

You basically act like someone at Blizzard personally offended you, and then are surprised when you receive a push-back.

[Lahis]

Do you guys think Avaloren will be patch or expansion/saga content?

Would be absolute wate if it was anything but whole expansion or even series if expansions. They are setting up 5th major continent on the other sid eof the planet.

But this also the same company that wasted Argus, Nazjatar, Emerald Dream and K'aresh as a single patch zones, so who knows.

[Sondrelk]

Do you guys think Avaloren will be patch or expansion/saga content?

As much as Blizzard has dropped the ball on patches before, I genuinely cannot imagine they would not make Avaloren a full expansion.

[Reive]

Man, who are you trying to fool here? Months ago you started saying that Midnight is a failure.

And nothing much has changed since then. The ui is still bad, the story is still bad, the pruned classes are still bad. Blizzard hasn't really done anything to redeem the expansion in the eyes of the doubters.

for some reason (and long before that you had issues with things like Faerin gender and skin color). You come to this thread every now and then only to try to spin whatever piece of news we get negatively.

Pls don't spin it in a way that makes me sound racist and/or misogynistic. I called (using different words) her a dei checkbox, which is what she actually is. Blizzard wasn't so subtle with her character

You basically act like someone at Blizzard personally offended you, and then are surprised when you receive a push-back.

I just against what i perceive as the enshittification of wow, but that's a me problem tbh. haven't played in months but i'm still following the news (wrongly) hoping for something good to happen

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Sounds like you're just making things up in your head so you have something to worry about. Them mentioning TLT doesn't have any bearing on whether they care about the game or not.

And if they did what you said then they'd have to stop releasing content every 2 months, which is the most content we've ever gotten in the history of this game.

So, either they are releasing too much content, or not. Which one is it? It can't be both.

You can make a "lot" of bad content, which is what blizzard actually releases every 2 months. Many minor patches are filled with low quality slop (reskinned catch up events, badly written (literally) questlines etc).

[Enrif]

Ranged (typically Chi-ji) monk has been a fan concept for a pretty long time.

Some type of Chi-Ji monk, but most was based on fistweaving, not pure ranged as far as i'm aware.

[GeometryWizard]

It's great that they're more nimble with their separate teams, but the stumbles are much more noticeable. Like - the Nightfall rewards being quietly updated with the Karesh patch. Wasn't in any notes, hardly anyone knew about it. Either it should have been in notes somewhere, or it wasn't supposed to happen. We'll never know which!

And stuff like Dastardly Duos - no synergy at all with all the existing content it released alongside (Nightfall, Horrific Visions, might have been a Timewalking week as well). In Dragonflight, anything that was out simultaneously had synergy; it didn't feel like they were competing with one another for your time.

The problem is that a lot of this content has a super short shelf life and development time so we keep getting very low effort slop with catchup gear and cosmetics attached to it and eventually players get tired of that without a change to the formula. I saw people calling the new Horrific Visions evergreen when they announced it but it's the exact same dated system as the Bfa one stuck in an old expansion capital and it's not going to scale with your level. Aside from catchup gear it's the same cosmetic rewards of useless ground mounts tabards and ugly shoulder/belts that usually don't pair well with anything else

They're trying to experiment with more core reward systems with Prey but there's only so much you can do there since they need to keep M+ and raids relevant so I think another avenue they should explore is making minigames more in depth and evergreen. They tried the bare minimum of this with multiplayer dragon races but they had no rewards and no organization so no one did them. Their experimental gameplay team should be spending time trying to make multiplayer race courses with the Undermine driving work but part of the problem is probably that they have to rush content out so fast now they don't have time to iterate or really tinker with stuff anymore unless it has its own team and years of playtesting like housing did

Basically what pet battles were but they need to experiment more just because pet battles eventually failed doesn't mean everything will

[THEORACLE64]

I hope they keep the current pre-patch login screen rather than change it with a jpg and show Silvermoon or something. The animation is well made.

I mean, they're absolutely going to. The same happened with TWW - we had the basic login screen and then with Dornogal when TWW actually launched.

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At least the launcher has finally updated too!

[Nymrohd]

I doubt it. Pet AI needs a massive overhaul if they make it a beast-based tanking spec.

It'd be dope, though. Maybe it involves calling upon the spirits of ancient beasts that you've hunted to grant you different boons, like Gronn or Dragons. Or maybe, like Darmac, you gain abilities that strengthen you based on the beasts you summon. Temporary pets could take damage for you, like the shaman's earth elemental.

Why would the pet be the one tanking? Survival hunter tanking with help of their companion isn't any more of a stretch than Brewmaster tanking. Then you use the pet as part of cooldowns.

[Joshuaj]

Okay, everyone! I have an idea! Hear me out!!!

What if Wintergrasp ended up being our capital city for TLT? Like it's a fully updated and rebuilt Titan city, and there would be 2 faction hubs on each side of the city! The Vault of Archavon can be our Sanctum of Light and Foundation Hall for the city!

[SaintBigfoot]

So outside of Arator‘s quest and some minor stuff with the Harranir I cdon’t understand why people are saying this is a bad expansion already.

[THEORACLE64]

Okay, everyone! I have an idea! Hear me out!!!

What if Wintergrasp ended up being our capital city for TLT? Like it's a fully updated and rebuilt Titan city, and there would be 2 faction hubs on each side of the city! The Vault of Archavon can be our Sanctum of Light and Foundation Hall for the city!

I do wonder what will be our capital city. Wintergrasp does make sense, but I feel like it's so iconic as a PvP zone it'll get redone for TLT.

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So outside of Arator‘s quest and some minor stuff with the Harranir I cdon’t understand why people are saying this is a bad expansion already.

Because people here are toxic af.

[SaintBigfoot]

Okay, everyone! I have an idea! Hear me out!!!

What if Wintergrasp ended up being our capital city for TLT? Like it's a fully updated and rebuilt Titan city, and there would be 2 faction hubs on each side of the city! The Vault of Archavon can be our Sanctum of Light and Foundation Hall for the city!

They mentioned the Tauren getting focus, so what if it’s one of the Taunka cities, with them and embattled against remaining necromantic forces, Primalists and antagonistic Titanforged

[Joshuaj]

At this point, with them already talking about TLT when Midnight is not even out yet, it feels like they just want players to behave like pigs and eat as much slop as possible in order to rake in as much money as possible.

They don't care about making a quality game anymore

No, they're planning ahead. That's what smart developers do.

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They mentioned the Tauren getting focus, so what if it’s one of the Taunka cities, with them and embattled against remaining necromantic forces, Primalists and antagonistic Titanforged

Probably not. I do think they want to keep with the traditional fantasy vibes they got going on with the latest expacs (Dragon, Dwarf/Earthen, and Elven). So, I expect either Utgarde, Wintergrasp, Ulduar, or the main faction bases (but expanded) to be our capital/capitals for TLT.