Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Pyrophax]

Well, at least you thought about it. Still it seems rather boring to me. Since the main thing you do is press a key to summon pets for buffs. Anything in between is what ever. Aug has at least the charm of having a real theme, using the black dragonflight aspect. Tbf, I would say tank is the only easy explainable. Since using a pet to tank is as old as the game itself. Armored bear/pets wouldnt be to weird since people are familiar with it.

I don't see how tanking pet could do tank mechanics.

Still think, with hunters base class in mind and its specs, while also trying to be a dark ranger and a sentinal. It already suffers from abillities not matching the vibe etc. If we alsi get another spec buffing things or tanking things. My opinion is that its just to much. I barely know what the hunter class is suppose to repressent anymore.

That is a problem with watering class identities.
Hunter is far too nature-based to be Dark Ranger for example. Or dwarven riflemans are not so into hunter's nature aspect, honestly. Or Forsakens, gnomes, goblins, draeneis, or Worgens. Yes, some of them can be hunters, but not any Archer/rifleman/Sharpshooter are hunters. To me - hunter class should be splitted into 2 more refined ones. Snipers and Beast Masters. How - its entire different dilema.

Or Demon Hunters with new Void Spec. Lorewise it is just doesn't work. Demon Hunters absorb demon souls for power. Powerful Fel entities. How they could spit out demon soul to absorb Void one? Void demon hunter works as class skin, not spec. Demon Hunters could absorb any powerful soul to empower themselves. Fel or Void.

Or Priest with both Void and Holy specs? Long ago - Shadow magic was not Void as we know it, it could work. For now - its on different scopes of cosmic balance.
I rather see Holy damage spec as skin for Shadow Priest toolkit. And Shadow healing spec ofc.

But to fair - nothing of that devs wouldn't do bc majority of players just don't care.

[Alanar]

I don't see how tanking pet could do tank mechanics.

Thats fair critique. I also dont know, but it used to be something people did back in the day. Its like bringing back melee hunters, but expanded. The pet ui is terrible as well.

I personally dont think hunters need either to be fair.

That is a problem with watering class identities.
Hunter is far too nature-based to be Dark Ranger for example. Or dwarven riflemans are not so into hunter's nature aspect, honestly. Or Forsakens, gnomes, goblins, draeneis, or Worgens. Yes, some of them can be hunters, but not any Archer/rifleman/Sharpshooter are hunters. To me - hunter class should be splitted into 2 more refined ones. Snipers and Beast Masters. How - its entire different dilema.

I havent thought about a solution, but I agree hunters are way more focussed on pets/nature. The dark ranger imo should have been its own thing based on Sylvanas, like demon hunters or death knights are themed around Illidan and Afthas. The darkfallen skin and summon skeletons (midnight) just doesnt work well, while maintaining marksmanship and that whole kit. It feels off, same as how sentinel feels off to me, but atleast it has some nature/pet vibe to it.

The hunter class and its specs feels general enough to warrant the fantasy of a dwarf shooter or dreanei or what ever. All the extras is what hurt that general hunter feel and doesnt even know what to be anymore. Then now comes another thing with beibg a support or tank spec on top of everything else.

Or Demon Hunters with new Void Spec. Lorewise it is just doesn't work. Demon Hunters absorb demon souls for power. Powerful Fel entities. How they could spit out demon soul to absorb Void one? Void demon hunter works as class skin, not spec. Demon Hunters could absorb any powerful soul to empower themselves. Fel or Void.

Or Priest with both Void and Holy specs? Long ago - Shadow magic was not Void as we know it, it could work. For now - its on different scopes of cosmic balance.
I rather see Holy damage spec as skin for Shadow Priest toolkit. And Shadow healing spec ofc.

But to fair - nothing of that devs wouldn't do bc majority of players just don't care.

Yup, the void demon hunter makes no sense at all. They didnt even care to give it proper costumization options. Idk maybe ditch the FELL infused eyes for void ones? Idk I dont care a single bit for this out of the blue spec. The spec also reminds me of that terrible legion shadow spec. Maintaining a form as long as you can, is a very annoying playstyle and dont care for it. I have had my experience already. Pass.

Uch, the whole void theme with shadow priest has been an irritation point for me since they shuffed it down our throats in Legion. Like it or hate it, but they just pushed priests that way, while throwing away all other. Like the vampiric aspects, mind, ravenpriest for example. We still have leftovers of that, but those make zero sense anymore. Notice how after years, they now removed DP for maddness. Basically a name change, but still they left all others.

It just lost its charm in Legion imo. My shadow is sitting duck atm, because I just dont care about shadow anymore.

[Nibelheimy]

The whole void elf demon hunter leaves a sour taste for me.

I understand the want for new specs. But nobody was clamouring for void demon Hunters. Like at all.

It just screams half assing it. Give the spec void eyes at least the very least. At this rate I would of rather a green fire situation.

[milkmustache]

They disbanded. Velen ran, they were arguing... I dunno... he fled.

Fuckin' Sargeras. I loved that cocksucka like a brotha, and he F****D ME IN THE A**... I feel like I've been stabbed in da heart!

You want compromise, how's this? Centuries in the Exodar I wanted mana buns, but I compromised. I ate corrupted power crystals instead. I wanted to compete in jed'hin, but I compromised. I stood guard and said archenon poros over and over. You see where I'm goin'?

Do we have to start a new thread for this? Because I can keep going.

The whole void elf demon hunter leaves a sour taste for me.

I understand the want for new specs. But nobody was clamouring for void demon Hunters. Like at all.

It just screams half assing it. Give the spec void eyes at least the very least. At this rate I would of rather a green fire situation.

At the moment, it seems to me like an effort to kill to birds with one stone, and I'm not so sure it's working as well as they planned. There was probably a combination of external data and internal goals to hit, that being something along the lines of new spec and new class race combo. With Evoker getting Augmentation, maybe they felt backed into a corner and figured there's no shot another class gets a new spec before demon hunter is rounded out.

The rest kinda writes itself. Void Elves are taking focus, demon hunters need a 3rd spec, new void magic FX and direction could seriously benefit with a spec or class, the venn diagrams all overlap.

I'd much prefer a big swing like Evoker. Not even in the sense of the new tech it brings, but the notion of coming up with something big. This just kinda feels like a consolation prize for no Spellbreaker in Midnight or Tinker/Articifer in TWW.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Do we have to start a new thread for this? Because I can keep going.

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[Nymrohd]

The whole void elf demon hunter leaves a sour taste for me.

I understand the want for new specs. But nobody was clamouring for void demon Hunters. Like at all.

It just screams half assing it. Give the spec void eyes at least the very least. At this rate I would of rather a green fire situation.

Thematically it would be great if they could remove shadow priest from Priest and just give us a full shadow class with melee/ranged/support or healer and then make Priest a proper Holy class (add a caster priest and maybe a Holy Light unarmed melee monk). But it is obviously impossible to do now cause there are priest players who like playign both.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

That's 100% how it should go. Ulduar should take a bit to break into, I hope it's not just a launch story.

Well, the concepts they have to execute upon before doing whatever they want end up finishing in Base. So I wouldn't be surprised if everything is just crammed into Base and then its something else in the Roadmap portion. I don't think they're married to the idea of long term expansion concept structuring.

I don't think we're going to get what people want from that Ulduar event. If we're lucky we get it in In-game Says and VO dialogue but don't expect any form of spend on anything at this point unless we see signs from Warcraft Team that they haven't completely abandoned this and are just getting ready for 14.0.

The thing is I am skeptical that "envisioned" concepts in peoples' mind will take place at this point. I think if anything the World Soul Saga has been attempting to use "This would be really cool" as a gateway drug but they don't have to cash those cheques at all because there's no way to fingerwag about it due to the general positive state of the game.

[Marlamin]

Guess a new Beta build is today?

Yeah, realms just got updated to the new build. Build should come out in the next few hours.

[Joshuaj]

Yeah, realms just got updated to the new build. Build should come out in the next few hours.

Nice! Hoping it's the music build today. If not, then likely next week (Like with TWW, where the music released on the Beta about a week after pre-patch).

[Marlamin]

Nice! Hoping it's the music build today. If not, then likely next week (Like with TWW, where the music released on the Beta about a week after pre-patch).

Yeah, we have maybe 3 content build lefts before Midnight is going to be largely content-locked, so this week or the next are good bets.

[Joshuaj]

Yeah, we have maybe 3 content build lefts before Midnight is going to be largely content-locked, so this week or the next are good bets.

Part of me wants to say this week cause last week had a lot of the files appear, but this week might just be even more encrypted files tbh.

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Also, they really need to update the Fairbreeze Village dancing statues. Reported that multiple times already lmao

[Sondrelk]

For anyone curious whether it's possible to go to the new Quel'thalas zone, the answer is technically yes. You can see into the new zones, but get instantly booted if you try to go in. Not massively impactful in any way, but neat nonetheless.

What is interesting though is that there is nowhere in the game where the difference between Classic zones and new zones are more apparent than the new border between the Eastern Plaguelands and Zul'Aman. Going from what might as well be a flat plains filled with tiny trees, straight into what looks like a sheer cliff with giant trees on the top is going to be amusing for a while for anyone flying to Quel'thalas from the southern zones.

[Enrif]

The whole void elf demon hunter leaves a sour taste for me.

I understand the want for new specs. But nobody was clamouring for void demon Hunters. Like at all.

It just screams half assing it. Give the spec void eyes at least the very least. At this rate I would of rather a green fire situation.

agree on this. void demon hunter is such a dumb take on it, when there was more than enough demon stuff they could have gone for. They could have kept the playstyle but at least give it a demon/fel skin instead of void, and give us a real void centric class.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Lets think about it for a second, so they mention Stonetalon which we can contextually map to a later point in time based on the way they framed it. Doesn't this immediately put the onus on Eastern Plaguelands, Western Plaguelands, Tirisfal Glades? I don't know but with the fog in Stratholme these seem more immediate than anything on Kalimdor?

I also think if we are piecemealing it then absolutely people will love seeing updates for Minor/Major Patches having these renewals of Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor.

In my view, it seems that they're going to do this over a very long period of time but they may also make it the focus of 14.0 or the next Sagas' expansions that add bigger updates in like a organized subsectioning of Revamping. Either way, I assume that since Stonetalon is a very extremely random location that it was more a hint of "Yes, even Stonetalon which is a zone to traverse to get to other places in Classic will be renewed".

I think they're going to mix these continual EK/Kalimdor updates as both Patch content and Expansion content going forward.

[Raetary]

Bruh, just logged in.

The pain of realizing i have to now log back onto every. single. character. and reapply my mogs hits hard.

[Joshuaj]

I love having only 2 characters

[Dracullus]

Bruh, just logged in.

The pain of realizing i have to now log back onto every. single. character. and reapply my mogs hits hard.

Saw nice suggestion on reddit - around March there is trial of style event, who knows maybe they keep transmog free or at least discounted. But yeah, they should give free one for first use on each character.

[Cheezits]

Bruh, just logged in.

The pain of realizing i have to now log back onto every. single. character. and reapply my mogs hits hard.

I'm not doing any more mogs until the inevitable "free slot" or gold care package they mail to everyone based on the HUGE asspain that has erupted from the casual sphere. Though Blizz is in the wrong for not having pre-12.0 transmog carry over.

[Hearthfinder]

This build has to contain music and pine tree decor, surely!

[Joshuaj]

Yeah, doubtful. Gonna assume next week.