Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

I dunno why people are so crazy about the roadmap, it's pretty formulaic at that point.

Here are your building blocks:
New Zone
New Story and Content
New Events
New Dungeon
New Raid
New Renown Faction
New Gameplay Update
New UI Update
New Housing update

Now just assign them randomly to patches 12.0.5, 12.0.7, 12.1, 12.1.5, 12.1.7, 12.2, 12.2.5 and 12.2.7 with 12.1 and 12.2 receiving more than the other ones.

Congratulations, you have your roadmap

It often gives interesting info on the minor patches. The TWW roadmap told us about Horrific Visions as an example. Not to mention housing and Legion Remix. Also tends to give info on cosmetic updates to races, or heritage armour (even if Dracthyr is currently the only one without one)

In general, it's just a neat chunk of info that is fun to speculate about. The actual major patches are the least interesting thing on them.

[Jaggler]

It often gives interesting info on the minor patches. The TWW roadmap told us about Horrific Visions as an example. Not to mention housing and Legion Remix. Also tends to give info on cosmetic updates to races, or heritage armour (even if Dracthyr is currently the only one without one)

In general, it's just a neat chunk of info that is fun to speculate about. The actual major patches are the least interesting thing on them.

Understandable. Maybe i'm just too cynical in that regard haha.

[Kiivar86]

All your custom sets are saved in the "Custom Set" tab, but they removed any active mog you had on your characters.

So now you have to log onto every single char and pay up those 1,5-2,5k gold to reapply the transmog you were wearing.

If you had a bunch of outfitted characters, you are gonna have to pay up several thousand, up to tens of thousands of gold just to reapply the sets you already had transmogged before the patch.

Ahh, gotcha. Good to know then. Still glad I backed them up, though.

And there is the free transmog for everyone's alts. Wonder how many will actually stick to the clown gear until it activates on the principle of it.

I'll be one such. I have gold enough to cover all my alts but I'll still wait.

I dunno why people are so crazy about the roadmap, it's pretty formulaic at that point.

Here are your building blocks:
New Zone
New Story and Content
New Events
New Dungeon
New Raid
New Renown Faction
New Gameplay Update
New UI Update
New Housing update

Now just assign them randomly to patches 12.0.5, 12.0.7, 12.1, 12.1.5, 12.1.7, 12.2, 12.2.5 and 12.2.7 with 12.1 and 12.2 receiving more than the other ones.

Congratulations, you have your roadmap

At least in part, there are the occasional hints they put in them. Like the 2024 roadmap having the pirate flag on it, or the Timerunning: Pandamonium which led to some speculation for a bit. So that can be fun to speculate.

[CasualFilth]

Any news on the Collector's Edition? Mine still says it's coming end of June?

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Also while we are at it, could we please update the title of the thread

[Skildar]

Also while we are at it, could we please update the title of the thread

At this point I don't know what would be the best candidate.
- World Soul Saga Megathread
- World Soul Saga Speculation Thread
- Speculation Megathread
- Sylvanas Comeback Speculation Thread

[Pyrophax]

At this point I don't know what would be the best candidate.
- World Soul Saga Megathread
- World Soul Saga Speculation Thread
- Speculation Megathread
- Sylvanas Comeback Speculation Thread

Name "Constant Bitching and some Speculation Megathread " appeals to me more.

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Surely we get roadmap today, right?... right?

I think roadmap will be after launch.

[allegrian]

I dunno why people are so crazy about the roadmap, it's pretty formulaic at that point.

Here are your building blocks:
New Zone
New Story and Content
New Events
New Dungeon
New Raid
New Renown Faction
New Gameplay Update
New UI Update
New Housing update

Now just assign them randomly to patches 12.0.5, 12.0.7, 12.1, 12.1.5, 12.1.7, 12.2, 12.2.5 and 12.2.7 with 12.1 and 12.2 receiving more than the other ones.

Congratulations, you have your roadmap

yeah basically this. We get a minor patch every 2 months and a major one every 6 months, 3 of them so TLT will be released around september 2027.

[micwini]

Where roadmap?

[Cheezits]

I'm actually not so sure about TLT in 2027. There are a couple things pointing to four seasons of Midnight (gladiator and prey mounts)- maybe they determined they need more time to cook on expansions.

Could be Feb/March 2028 for TLT.

[GeometryWizard]

Whether they push an expansion back or maybe axe a minor patch they have to slow down and actually fix the game because this current patch cadence feels like a derailing train with the sheer amount of bugs and broken stuff shipping out. Not only that but the amount of issues and awful feeling things that get called out in testing for months and makes it to release and then suddenly a day later gets addressed for real is embarrassing like what's even the point of doing public testing if they only respond to public outrage after the damage is done. The whiplash is exhausting and makes it more and more difficult to get excited for anything

People keep defending this by saying well people are staying subbed so why bother changing it but enough frustration builds up that you will begin to lose players and at that point you have years of backlash and damaged reputation to rebuild. Blizzard needs to stop viewing community goodwill like a builder/spender resource where instead of accumulating more and more goodwill through actually addressing feedback early and meeting fan expectations instead of constantly subverting them they want to immediately blow whatever goodwill they build up on a terrible decision or cashgrab

[Cheezits]

People keep defending this by saying well people are staying subbed so why bother changing it but enough frustration builds up that you will begin to lose players and at that point you have years of backlash and damaged reputation to rebuild. Blizzard needs to stop viewing community goodwill like a builder/spender resource where instead of accumulating more and more goodwill through actually addressing feedback early and meeting fan expectations instead of constantly subverting them they want to immediately blow whatever goodwill they build up on a terrible decision or cashgrab

I don't think they (devs) are doing this because they want to do this, executives/shareholders have made the choice to accelerate content at smaller amounts to keep the game alive and generate more profit. I do think the post-10.2 content cadence has lead to shittier, buggier releases, but the pace will not slow until the profits take a hit.

If Midnight is 4 patches that is a sign they decided to finally ease up on things. I think that may primarily be on the negative reception to K'aresh as a "major" patch as well as a negative reaction to reused content included in Midnight (Haranir), both of which are direct results of the new content cadence. It's ridiculous that Amani and High Elf, as well as Void Elf Demon Hunter customizations, aren't in at launch.

[Reive]

Well, they need to do something quickly because this pre patch is a shitshow

[GeometryWizard]

I don't think they (devs) are doing this because they want to do this, executives/shareholders have made the choice to accelerate content at smaller amounts to keep the game alive and generate more profit. I do think the post-10.2 content cadence has lead to shittier, buggier releases, but the pace will not slow until the profits take a hit.

If Midnight is 4 patches that is a sign they decided to finally ease up on things. I think that may primarily be on the reception to K'aresh as a "major" patch.

Of course the broader strategy is a higher up decision but I think we're going to hit the breaking point if things keep up. TWW's minor patches were already a slopfest for the most part compared to DF's and if Midnight's get even worse I think that's when people will really be fed up and not see a point in staying subbed for those inbetween patches

[Cheezits]

Well, they need to do something quickly because this pre patch is a shitshow

I wonder if the reason the roadmap is delayed is because they will eventually be making an announcement that they are slowing down patch and expansion releases, and the map ties into that.

[Reive]

Of course the broader strategy is a higher up decision but I think we're going to hit the breaking point if things keep up. TWW's minor patches were already a slopfest for the most part compared to DF's and if Midnight's get even worse I think that's when people will really be fed up and not see a point in staying subbed for those inbetween patches

We're already there tbh. The changes are getting a lot of backlash and they aren't really easy to fix. This expansion is 1 month away and already has negative hype

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I wonder if the reason the roadmap is delayed is because they will eventually be making an announcement that they are slowing down patch and expansion releases, and the map ties into that.

Hope for them they do it.

[Cheezits]

It's definitely been less fun to interact with the WoW community since Midnight reveal. I hope they are able to get back community goodwill sooner than later or else it's going to be another WoD/Shadowlands period of community negativity. Post-Undermine content has just soured fans of the game even if "enough" people (primarily radio silent LFR dummies) are subbed around the clock, to the point that basically any non-Discord communication is primarily and understandably critical.

[BaumanKing]

It's definitely been less fun to interact with the WoW community since Midnight reveal. I hope they are able to get back community goodwill sooner than later or else it's going to be another WoD/Shadowlands period of community negativity. Post-Undermine content has just soured fans of the game even if "enough" people (primarily radio silent LFR dummies) are subbed around the clock.

This community will never be satisfied. They'll always whine about "wokeness," women, minor bugs, or whatever. But when an expansion comes out, they'll always be the first to play it. That's the way it's always been.

Simply reporting bugs is much more effective than complaining about them on this forum.

[Sondrelk]

Wow, if only this first week of the pre-patch could be held to the high standard of other pre-patches. Like previous ones where classes don't work properly. Or classes are tuned wrong. Or features need more polish. Or items are missing from the dungeon journal.

Honestly. This is pretty much on par with all previous pre-patches. I really don't get why people are treating this as if it's some anomaly of WoW history. (oh no, wait. People just love to complain, I forgot)

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I'm actually not so sure about TLT in 2027. There are a couple things pointing to four seasons of Midnight (gladiator and prey mounts)- maybe they determined they need more time to cook on expansions.

Could be Feb/March 2028 for TLT.

Well Cheezits, my radars are blaring that they're going to announce TLT at Blizzcon and cut 12.2.5/12.2.7 with 12.2.5 becoming Pre-Patch for TLT. Absolutely I think its interesting that the Gladiator mount exists so maybe the Warcraft Team has said "enough is enough" (they are unionized, but like lol). I am desperately trying to find positives and when the only positive is this gladiator mount and the fact the Roadmap may be a surprise revert of this stupidity. But even if the Roadmap reverts I think thats absolute delusion at this point.

I just am not confident anymore that there's any sort of human element anymore and instead its just that they really want their grubby hands over a super accelerated Retail with a Box Set Classic+ per Year. The earlier Blizzcon while it may be a scheduling issue with the Convention Center there is also the other side to it that placing the Blizzcon 6 months after Midnight does give them leeway to draw their daggers once again like Blizzcon 2023.

I can see them hitting that April 2027 if they are unhinged, but like always I do want them to take these two expansions seriously because while WoD was Lost Potential nuking both Midnight and The Last Titan without any sort of fan related victories aka "taking on financial losses for long term gains" it will have to be a very hard reset like Blizzcon 2023 again with a new Saga possibly to do this once again. By that point its' going to be very hard to not play the game solely for the Gameplay side and the Intellectual Property side isn't just a bunch of TV static for the entire community.

[milkmustache]

Well Cheezits, my radars are blaring that they're going to announce TLT at Blizzcon and cut 12.2.5/12.2.7 with 12.2.5 becoming Pre-Patch for TLT. Absolutely I think its interesting that the Gladiator mount exists so maybe the Warcraft Team has said "enough is enough". I am desperately trying to find positives and when the only positive is this gladiator mount and the fact the Roadmap may be a surprise revert of this stupidity. But even if the Roadmap reverts I think thats absolute delusion at this point.

I just am not confident anymore that there's any sort of human element anymore and instead its just that they really want their grubby hands over a super accelerated Retail with a Box Set Classic+ per Year. The earlier Blizzcon while it may be a scheduling issue with the Convention Center there is also the other side to it that placing the Blizzcon 6 months after Midnight does give them leeway to draw their daggers once again like Blizzcon 2023.

I can see them hitting that April 2027 if they are unhinged, but like always I do want them to take these two expansions seriously because while WoD was Lost Potential nuking both Midnight and The Last Titan without any sort of fan related victories aka "taking on financial losses for long term gains" it will have to be a very hard reset like Blizzcon 2023 again with a new Saga possibly to do this once again. By that point its' going to be very hard to not play the game solely for the Gameplay side and the Intellectual Property side isn't just a bunch of TV static.

Can we honestly, truthfully enter a conversation with legitimate thought instead of immediate doomerism? What is the benefit to anyone at Blizzard, corporate number guys and big wigs included, to continue diminishing their product? There is no world where they cut even further than they have.

I think you're extremely unhappy with the state of the game at the moment, and that's well okay, but you're drawing insane conclusions... for what? There is zero indication towards any of these ripcords or bailouts that you're implying, let alone cutting minor patches.

I'm really sorry that you're upset with the state the games in right now, I understand that the disappointment can be hard to get over, but please root them in reality.