Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

No first ones

The Eternals being robots makes sense as there just a kind of Titan keeper

Implication that there is/was a real afterlife before it was ordered that could conform to the various races views on it

Forge of souls could be a Titan facility like the ones we see in storm peak which was then taken over by the scourge instead of them randomly making something for the jailer

The jailers vague death bull shit could just be referring to the return of the titans and them wanting azeorths soul

Ect.

But...the Shadowlands already conforms to different races views on it LMAOOOO There are an infinite amount of Afterlives, and it was stated that these realms could range from spiritual realms, to religious realms, to even personal paradises.

The Eternals aren't robotic, and neither are the Keepers. But here is the difference: The Keepers were the generals of the Titanforged armies on Azeroth, whereas the Eternal Ones are the lords of the Shadowlands. One group reigns over the Titans forces on Azeroth, and the other group reigns over a cosmic realm. 2 entirely different ordeals. Heck, Odyn turned the Halls of Valor into a type of smaller afterlife linked to Azeroth because he was inspired by Bastion. If you want a more proper comparison, Odyn would be Order's equivalent to someone like Mueh'zala, and not an Eternal One. Besides, the Eternal Ones were stated more than once to get the Death equivalent to the Titans.

Also, why would the Forge of Souls be a Titan machine? Why can't it just be a Scourge machine that linked itself to the Worldcore, and the Jailer managed to utilize it for his own devices?

And regarding the Jailer's warning, why would it be about the Titans? The Eternal Ones know about them, and the warning of Zovaal stemmed from an unknown power altogether. If anything, it's either talking about the Worldsouls (namely Azeroth's), or it's talking about something unknown altogether. I initially thought the latter, but now I wouldn't be shocked if it was actually the former.

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I hate the idea of the First Ones. I despise it. It's a bullshit trope that was introduced only because they dealt with the Titans and the Legion WAY too fast. They desperately needed something bigger so they made up Zovaal and the First Ones.

The Titans weren't dealt with, they were shelved lol. The First Ones stuff exists because Blizzard wanted to expand on the cosmic forces and what they actually were. That's how building off a cosmology chart works.

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Are we done here? Or are you all gonna keep parroting the same silly arguments?

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Cause I personally would prefer to talk more Midnight.

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Isn't the story with saving Quel'thalas from this siege already done by the end of the initial patch culminating in that last raid? Unless you mean this event happens in the max level campaign? I guess we'll find out sooner than later.

Ehhh it's not that simple. While we do stop L'ura, Xal'atath and the Devouring Host basically plunge themselves into the heart of the world. So, outside of the Dawnwell stuff, we basically have no way of reaching Xal'atath currently. Imma assume we'll eventually learn of a way to reach her, but idk if that's gonna occur this expac.

[milkmustache]

People always say "make the Shadowlands a Titan creation. That would fix the lore for me", but they almost never explain why. And whenever someone does try to explain why, it's always some half baked explanation that misses the point of the Shadowlands entirely.

I think that the expansion of the Shadowlands can be retconned into being a Titan construct without taking away the First Ones in a sense. I truly don't mind the idea of the First Ones being the cosmic powers in a mythlogical sense, my only issue with them comes with any personification. I don't like the notion that Order created X, or Death created Y, because it seems a bit too characterized, but if these were just types of magics that simply exist, colloquially refered to as the First Ones, I think that's a nice idea in the greater cosmic sense.

The Shadowlands itself is presented very similarly to how we have been shown the Titans for the past few years in the simple fact that it's very ordered. I think that they could get a lot more out of the realm of death than these odd fractured afterlives we were shown, and I think it'd be a really smart move to widen the scope of the cosmic plot. Death returns into a scary land of the unknown, and the overbearing obsessive gods that have tried to structure the universe get humbled when we defeat them. (I also think things like Thros can exist in a non-Shadowlands the expansion Shadowlands, it doesn't ring to me like an ordered afterlife but just a cool idea.)

That said, I don't know what to make of Zereth Mortis. I truly don't. I don't know if they ever return to the Zeriths, and I don't know how they even make it fit in this hypothetical. A lot of people's problems seem to come from the Jailer and his ties to Lich King and the Scourge, as they feel it taints as fan favorite. I dunno how they fix that one either. That one was just a bad call IMO, symbolically represented by the literal shattering of the most iconic piece of armor the franchise had to show. I'm not sure how they would approach that.

TLDR; Make Shadowlands as we've seen it created by Titans. Make the First Ones a mythological colloquialism for the various forms of magic in the universe. Allow the idea of an actual Shadowlands, a realm of death that isn't ordered afterlives to return and stay in the background.

[Ersula]

Also note that the Titans have never built anything as powerful as the Forge of Afterlives or the Machine of Origination before. I highly doubt they themselves ordered the Shadowlands. Their Progenitor (Order) most likely ordered it.

This really isn't up for debate anymore. The Ordering the Titans did was the result of them "learning the secrets of the First Ones in Zereth Ordus." Either the Titans are somehow unrelated godlike beings who happened upon the machinations of the first ones, or more likely, they were created in Zereth Ordus like the Eternal Ones & were given their prime directives there.

The only thing people are clinging to is "that might be a lie" but at this point, if that's a lie, everything is a lie; so there's no point even discussing any wow lore at all.

Very easy to imagine Netease having a simple clause that they get exclusive cosmetics for which distribution is decided by them. Which is how we end up with gacha crates in the Chinese servers.

Right, they want cosmetics they can sell, but the idea that they would need to be exclusive is ridiculous. What would be the point? Chinese WoW is not competing with Western WoW. Any money the Chinese version of the game makes on cosmetics goes to Netease anyway.

[Hitei]

It remains extremely stupid because if the Titans could create, or conquer and order, the Shadowlands than their complete and total ineptitude in every other single facet and situation makes absolutely no sense, and the entire fundamental motivation of Sargeras and so actions of the whole Burning Legion make absolutely no sense.

I don't get it.

You guys whine about Zovaal having been the source for the Helm "ruining the entire lore!!!1!!" because it put someone else's plot buried in the Legion and then turn around and ask for a storybeat that unironically undermines half the events in the game's history.

[Joshuaj]

I think that the expansion of the Shadowlands can be retconned into being a Titan construct without taking away the First Ones in a sense. I truly don't mind the idea of the First Ones being the cosmic powers in a mythlogical sense, my only issue with them comes with any personification. I don't like the notion that Order created X, or Death created Y, because it seems a bit too characterized, but if these were just types of magics that simply exist, colloquially refered to as the First Ones, I think that's a nice idea in the greater cosmic sense.

The Shadowlands itself is presented very similarly to how we have been shown the Titans for the past few years in the simple fact that it's very ordered. I think that they could get a lot more out of the realm of death than these odd fractured afterlives we were shown, and I think it'd be a really smart move to widen the scope of the cosmic plot. Death returns into a scary land of the unknown, and the overbearing obsessive gods that have tried to structure the universe get humbled when we defeat them. (I also think things like Thros can exist in a non-Shadowlands the expansion Shadowlands, it doesn't ring to me like an ordered afterlife but just a cool idea.)

That said, I don't know what to make of Zereth Mortis. I truly don't. I don't know if they ever return to the Zeriths, and I don't know how they even make it fit in this hypothetical. A lot of people's problems seem to come from the Jailer and his ties to Lich King and the Scourge, as they feel it taints as fan favorite. I dunno how they fix that one either. That one was just a bad call IMO, symbolically represented by the literal shattering of the most iconic piece of armor the franchise had to show. I'm not sure how they would approach that.

TLDR; Make Shadowlands as we've seen it created by Titans. Make the First Ones a mythological colloquialism for the various forms of magic in the universe. Allow the idea of an actual Shadowlands, a realm of death that isn't ordered afterlives to return and stay in the background.

They'd have to be "characterized" in some sense, as we already know time is a construct of Order, and we know magics like the Arcane are "energies of Order". These magics also appear to have a type of will or sentience to them, which implies a higher existence in of itself.

It's no different to how we see God. People see it as a "being", but most of the time, God is viewed as a force.

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It remains extremely stupid because if the Titans could create, or conquer and order, the Shadowlands than their complete and total ineptitude in every other single facet and situation makes absolutely no sense, and the entire fundamental motivation of Sargeras and so actions of the whole Burning Legion make absolutely no sense.

I don't get it.

You guys whine about Zovaal having been the source for the Helm "ruining the entire lore!!!1!!" because it put someone else's plot buried in the Legion and then turn around and ask for a storybeat that unironically undermines half the events in the game's history.

Zovaal forcing the Primus to make the schematics for the Helm and Frostmourne doesn't change much anyway, cause the Dreadlords still gave the tools to Kil'jaeden, and Kil'jaeden still created the Lich King lmao. People heavily overplayed that "retcon" and its effects.

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The Brokers being K'areshi can also be excused, as you can simply say they altered their history a bit, as to not be targets for Void creatures or other beings lol. That, or they simply wanted to forget about what happened at K'aresh by fully embracing their new home.

With the Titans, you cannot simply say "oh yeah, the Sepulcher and Oribos are Titan constructs", cause A. They don't look like Titan constructs. And B. The Sepulcher is far beyond anything we've seen of the Titans before LMAOOOO

[milkmustache]

They'd have to be "characterized" in some sense, as we already know time is a construct of Order, and we know magics like the Arcane are "energies of Order". These magics also appear to have a type of will or sentience to them, which implies a higher existence in of itself.

It's no different to how we see God. People see it as a "being", but most of the time, God is viewed as a force.

This last part... is fair. I think the key different would be who is personifying it? The story, or the people in the story? Blizzard has a big issue with showing vs telling. My preference is those in the story personify, not the story itself.

[Nize]

Ehhh it's not that simple. While we do stop L'ura, Xal'atath and the Devouring Host basically plunge themselves into the heart of the world. So, outside of the Dawnwell stuff, we basically have no way of reaching Xal'atath currently. Imma assume we'll eventually learn of a way to reach her, but idk if that's gonna occur this expac.

To be clear, my point there was that, given what we've already seen from the beta, Sylvanas riding in at the last hour doesn't seem all that plausible anymore. The siege of Quel'thalas is subject to this first patch, with the likelihood of the rest of the expansion story pulling us away from there. The max level campaign also seems to point at taking the fight back to the enemy (Voidstorm/Sunwell). With Sylvanas already setting up her next story tied to the Shadowlands/Titans, her having anything to with the siege isn't likely.

[Xilurm]

Are we done here? Or are you all gonna keep parroting the same silly arguments?

Well I suppose it's very convenient to call it a silly argument if you just love everything Blizzard writes no matter how bad it can get. I get being a fan of something, I am as well. But, damn.

[Joshuaj]

Well I suppose it's very convenient to call it a silly argument if you just love everything Blizzard writes no matter how bad it can get. I get being a fan of something, I am as well. But, damn.

Never presume. I like some of the worldbuilding things Shadowlands provided, but I despise the narrative.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

But...the Shadowlands already conforms to different races views on it LMAOOOO There are an infinite amount of Afterlives,

I’m aware that there are infinite 3d printer afterlife’s, that’s why I hate it.

I want the old vale back where say the orc acnestors weren’t getting sorted to ton of different places some of which there souls are destroyed or transmuted to Something completely different.

The Eternals aren't robotic, and neither are the Keepers. But here is the difference: The Keepers were the generals of the Titanforged armies on Azeroth, whereas the Eternal Ones are the lords of the Shadowlands. One group reigns over the Titans forces on Azeroth, and the other group reigns over a cosmic realm.

we see how they are made and how they die, there literally robots but with souls used for personality matrixes.

And if the shadowlands we see were just something made by the titans then the eternals are no different then the keepers set to watch over X area just without the war beforehand that the ones on Azeroth went through.

Also, why would the Forge of Souls be a Titan machine? Why can't it just be a Scourge machine that linked itself to the Worldcore, and the Jailer managed to utilize it for his own devices?

because we have similar looking but less evil Titan machines in the storm peaks you can fly into but have little lore around them. Making the forge of souls one of those but corrupted by the scourge is far better then them making it randomly using it for seemingly nothing, let alone the idea that abunch of zombies apparently could just tap into Azeroth’s soul at any point for endless power but just never turned it on.

And regarding the Jailer's warning, why would it be about the Titans?

because the a nebulously warning for future events that may or may not ever come to pass is just awful writing for a hack to say “see see this is what I meant” later as a kind of pretend set up because they suck to much to do actual set up.

It’s always going to be bull shit but just making it the Titans is a way to throw out the dangling thread of nothing.

[SaintBigfoot]

“It’s a silly argument”

And saying that all the mystery and mysticism of death being boiled down to “A bunch of faceless fucks 3D Printed all of existence” is so much more *interesting*

[Hipnos14]

People always say "make the Shadowlands a Titan creation. That would fix the lore for me", but they almost never explain why. And whenever someone does try to explain why, it's always some half baked explanation that misses the point of the Shadowlands entirely.

Back in Shadowlands I tried to think about a way of making things make sense with the Titans and the Shadowlands. my idea was this:

Imagine that when the Titans started to order the cosmos they needed to build an army to keep the planets they visited ordered or to nurture the worldsouls until they become titans. In order to create their titanforged (keepers, etc.) they needed a specific magic to ''animate'' those armies, Anima (this way they can link the Shadowlands anima with Ra-den's anima from Throne of Thunder). The problem is that anima got sucked automatically into a pocket dimension (Shadowlands) making it impossible to use outside of it, so they followed the trail and found the Shadowlands.

The Shadowlands were pure anarchy, complete chaos where souls devoured other souls, full freedom but no ''safety'', the covenants where created naturally through the union of different groups to protect themselves from the chaos, banding together based on specific traits, nature-aligned beings created Ardenweald or honorable warriors created Maldraxxus.

When the titans arrived they basically stomped everyone and told them: Look, wee need your anima to do our thing, so we are going to create a gigantic, spell-scroll of stone (Oribos) at the center of your realm to stop it from sucking anima from the living world.
The titans need to keep Oribos safe, so they make a deal with the covenants, the titans will offer an ordered system without chaos and destruction, a system where everyone gets anima through a machine they leave (The arbiter), and each covenant will get a purpose.

• Kyrian - They will gain the ability of traveling between the Shadowlands and the living world to ferry the souls of the dead, because now that the Shadowlands don't suck anima automatically, the souls of living beings stay in the living world. This would be why they need to get rid of their memories and past life, so that they don't get tempted to stay in the world of the living.
• Ardenweald - These guys would regenerate nature creatures, sending them back to their worlds, as some kind of fail-safe measure, because ancients/loa are supposed to nurture worldsouls with spirit magic (something like that is written in the Chronicles vol. 1), so if these powerful nature creatures stay alive and go back to their worlds maybe one of those worlds has a worldsoul and they can keep nurturing it while the titans look for it around the universe. This could explain the connection between the Winter Queen and Elune, it could have been done through Eonar.
• Maldraxxus - The shadowlands needs some kind of army to protect it from outside forces and the other cosmic threats, because if someone breaks Oribos all the anima in the universe will get sucked into the Shadowlands, basically killing every titantforged in the universe. So they give the Primus the ability to see into the future a short amount of time (I don't remember if this is still canon) and teach him all kinds of magic to be able to face every threat. The Maldraxxus army is already composed of honorable warriors, so it would be hard for them to go bad (although not impossible as we saw).
• Revendreth and the Maw - There needs to be a place to imprison the most dangerous souls that could be a threat to Oribos, that would be the purpose of the Maw, but at the same time you can't allow the Maw to grow without control getting more and more souls through the ages, so you need a filter to ''redeem'' those bad souls. This is where Revendreth comes into play, it would be basically a filter for bad souls so the Maw doesn't get full of anima like it happened during the expansion.

With some tweaks here and there I think you could make it work to retcon the First Ones, maybe the titans called themselves First Ones when dealing with the Covenants to not give them too much information about themselves, something like that.

[Joshuaj]

I’m aware that there are infinite 3d printer afterlife’s, that’s why I hate it.

I want the old vale back where say the orc acnestors weren’t getting sorted to ton of different places some of which there souls are destroyed or transmuted to Something completely different.

we see how they are made and how they die, there literally robots but with souls used for personality matrixes.

And if the shadowlands we see were just something made by the titans then the eternals are no different then the keepers set to watch over X area just without the war beforehand that the ones on Azeroth went through.

because we have similar looking but less evil Titan machines in the storm peaks you can fly into but have little lore around them. Making the forge of souls one of those but corrupted by the scourge is far better then them making it randomly using it for seemingly nothing, let alone the idea that abunch of zombies apparently could just tap into Azeroth’s soul at any point for endless power but just never turned it on.

because the a nebulously warning for future events that may or may not ever come to pass is just awful writing for a hack to say “see see this is what I meant” later as a kind of pretend set up because they suck to much to do actual set up.

It’s always going to be bull shit but just making it the Titans is a way to throw out the dangling thread of nothing.

We don't know how souls function in other afterlives, but even if the soul evaporates at a certain point, the fact remains in that there is still a paradise awaiting them. Also, nothing implies those realms transmute them.

Regarding the Eternal Ones, that's not really how it works. They're made VIA a vessel and a soul combining VIA a creation ritual. It's a different case from a Keeper altogether, although Keepers definitely go through a unique creation process as well. However, again, their roles are entirely different, and the Eternal Ones have a role that's more akin to Elune or a Titan in that they reign over a cosmic force and realm.

Wait, how is the Forge of Souls similar to the Forge of Wills and Forge of Origination? They're completely different architecturally. Also, you act like Arthas didn't study Titan machinery or its connections to Azeroth's soul during his reign as the Lich King LMAO. He was literally right next to the biggest Titan complex on the planet.

And regarding Zovaal's warning...really? So you want it to be the Titans cause you hate the idea of there being a 7th power that may or may not be explored in the future?

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Back in Shadowlands I tried to think about a way of making things make sense with the Titans and the Shadowlands. my idea was this:

Imagine that when the Titans started to order the cosmos they needed to build an army to keep the planets they visited ordered or to nurture the worldsouls until they become titans. In order to create their titanforged (keepers, etc.) they needed a specific magic to ''animate'' those armies, Anima (this way they can link the Shadowlands anima with Ra-den's anima from Throne of Thunder). The problem is that anima got sucked automatically into a pocket dimension (Shadowlands) making it impossible to use outside of it, so they followed the trail and found the Shadowlands.

The Shadowlands were pure anarchy, complete chaos where souls devoured other souls, full freedom but no ''safety'', the covenants where created naturally through the union of different groups to protect themselves from the chaos, banding together based on specific traits, nature-aligned beings created Ardenweald or honorable warriors created Maldraxxus.

When the titans arrived they basically stomped everyone and told them: Look, wee need your anima to do our thing, so we are going to create a gigantic, spell-scroll of stone (Oribos) at the center of your realm to stop it from sucking anima from the living world.
The titans need to keep Oribos safe, so they make a deal with the covenants, the titans will offer an ordered system without chaos and destruction, a system where everyone gets anima through a machine they leave (The arbiter), and each covenant will get a purpose.

• Kyrian - They will gain the ability of traveling between the Shadowlands and the living world to ferry the souls of the dead, because now that the Shadowlands don't suck anima automatically, the souls of living beings stay in the living world. This would be why they need to get rid of their memories and past life, so that they don't get tempted to stay in the world of the living.
• Ardenweald - These guys would regenerate nature creatures, sending them back to their worlds, as some kind of fail-safe measure, because ancients/loa are supposed to nurture worldsouls with spirit magic (something like that is written in the Chronicles vol. 1), so if these powerful nature creatures stay alive and go back to their worlds maybe one of those worlds has a worldsoul and they can keep nurturing it while the titans look for it around the universe. This could explain the connection between the Winter Queen and Elune, it could have been done through Eonar.
• Maldraxxus - The shadowlands needs some kind of army to protect it from outside forces and the other cosmic threats, because if someone breaks Oribos all the anima in the universe will get sucked into the Shadowlands, basically killing every titantforged in the universe. So they give the Primus the ability to see into the future a short amount of time (I don't remember if this is still canon) and teach him all kinds of magic to be able to face every threat. The Maldraxxus army is already composed of honorable warriors, so it would be hard for them to go bad (although not impossible as we saw).
• Revendreth and the Maw - There needs to be a place to imprison the most dangerous souls that could be a threat to Oribos, that would be the purpose of the Maw, but at the same time you can't allow the Maw to grow without control getting more and more souls through the ages, so you need a filter to ''redeem'' those bad souls. This is where Revendreth comes into play, it would be basically a filter for bad souls so the Maw doesn't get full of anima like it happened during the expansion.

With some tweaks here and there I think you could make it work to retcon the First Ones, maybe the titans called themselves First Ones when dealing with the Covenants to not give them too much information about themselves, something like that.

Why would the Shadowlands be a chaotic realm originally? Why can't it be that the influences of Light, Order, and Death were structured in a specific way? I mean, they were literally categorized as the rhythmic and structured influences by Saezurah.

Also, once again, the Titans have NOT been shown to be capable of making universal level machinery.

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Also, to say the Titans created the Shadowlands the same way they "created" the Emerald Dream is silly, cause Saezurah categorized Life, Disorder, and Shadow as improvisational and possible forces (I.E they can change and do whatever they please at any time), yet the Titans ordered the Emerald Dream and deem Life as chaos that must be controlled.

So, uhm, lmaooooo

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Y'all are so intent on limiting a universe that's supposed to be ever evolving, it's kinda sad.

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But hey, maybe Blizzard will listen to y'all and actually retcon the Progenitors in TLT. If that happens, I'll hate it, but it is what it is.

Until then, however, no.

[JDBlou]

Isn't the story with saving Quel'thalas from this siege already done by the end of the initial patch culminating in that last raid? Unless you mean this event happens in the max level campaign? I guess we'll find out sooner than later.

I believe the void assaults being added in .5 and their escalation in the .7 patch indicate it's not so cut and dry.

"The threat of Xal’atath has yet to be resolved, so we’re going to see Void Assaults begin to appear across the outdoor world. These will bring us new enemies to fight, new reasons to rally to defend Azeroth, and new rewards along the way."

[Ersula]

The First Ones lore doesn't contradict anything about the Titans because the First Ones are basically the Titans, its just that we found out the Titans' we're familiar with are just middle managers. The Pantheon of Order are just our Branch Managers. The Eternal ones are managers of a different branch. The First Ones are the Titan's bosses we've never met. The titan mythology was already running on a system of bureaucratic hierarchies so nothing has changed.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

We don't know how souls function in other afterlives, but even if the soul evaporates at a certain point, the fact remains in that there is still a paradise awaiting them. Also, nothing implies those realms transmute them.

mate we literally see all of the shadowlands afterlife’s but ardenweld transmute souls into blue humans with wings, vampires, or “flesh” creations, and we then see ardenweld destroy souls flat out for anima when needed.

It’s totally possible for an orc to call on his ancestors and for them to show up, but none of them are actually orcs any more.

Regarding the Eternal Ones, that's not really how it works. They're made VIA a vessel and a soul combining VIA a creation ritual.

that’s exactly how it works your literally just restating a robot having a soul put in it for its personality in different words.

their roles are entirely different, and the Eternal Ones have a role that's more akin to Elune or a Titan in that they reign over a cosmic force and realm.

in the current lore yes, but if you retcon that and make it Titan made then there roles become the same as say Ferya over seeing the emerald dream.

Wait, how is the Forge of Souls similar to the Forge of Wills and Forge of Origination? They're completely different architecturally.

the engine of the markers in storm peaks, the other giant machine hole with little lore. And yes it looks different that’s why I said corrupted.

Also, you act like Arthas didn't study Titan machinery or its connections to Azeroth's soul during his reign as the Lich King LMAO. He was literally right next to the biggest Titan complex on the planet.

do you think arthas had a day pass to go visit ulduar or something? Simply being a zone over isn’t going to give you any insight into how to tap into a world soul.

And regarding Zovaal's warning...really? So you want it to be the Titans cause you hate the idea of there being a 7th power that may or may not be explored in the future?

I have no strong feelings about there being a 7th power, I hate the idea of bad writers being incredibly vague because they suck to much to do actual set up so just throw out such nothing warnings.

And making it be the titans wraps up that nothing of a plot line and fits with the whole of the shadowlands being made titanic.

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

As long as Moonberry is untouched, I could not care less what they do to the Shadowlands!

I just want to revisit the Shadowlands in more than just a short questline.

[Zardas]

I don't understand the desire to retcon the First Ones into the Titans. The Titans have already been dealt with, we know who they are, what they look like, what they have done. The First Ones provide a much needed element of mystery, something to look forward to, hopefully for a long time (if they stop wasting all of their bullets too fast).

[Cheezits]

Isn't the story with saving Quel'thalas from this siege already done by the end of the initial patch culminating in that last raid? Unless you mean this event happens in the max level campaign? I guess we'll find out sooner than later.

Quel'thalas is only "saved" because Xal and the Devouring Host use the Darkwell to go further inside Azeroth. It's not really a victory.

[Ersula]

Quel'thalas is only "saved" because Xal and the Devouring Host use the Darkwell to go further inside Azeroth. It's not really a victory.

Is that what really happens? The sunwell isn't even deep into the planet, the only connection between it and the worldsoul is that its touching a leyline; but there are leylines all over azeroth. Would have made much more sense to use the maelstrom or THE SWORD