Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Kiivar86]

It's meant to be Black Aspect inspired, yeah. Though, it definitely seems like they made the head more Elemental themed, which not only fits Deathwing, but also the Primal Incarnates, which is unique when you consider Iridikron and the main setting of TLT

It definitely is interesting. It could very well mean nothing but wouldn't be the first time things show up there before here.

And yeah I like that the heads also correlate to the dragonriding mounts, that's a nice touch.

[Cheezits]

It definitely is interesting. It could very well mean nothing but wouldn't be the first time things show up there before here.

And yeah I like that the heads also correlate to the dragonriding mounts, that's a nice touch.

I could see Harrowsdeep being a Dragonflight throwback raid overall, and Iridikron, Chromatus with Dragonriding heads and a primalist (Magatha?) would fit the bill. Could even bring back Djaradin or Gnarldin.

Or instead of the Primalist Council there's an Aspect Council fight with their echoes through titan shenanigans.

[milkmustache]

That short was a lot of fun. I'm really happy we got some background on Xal'atath, and I'm happy we've been shown a bit more of the Shadowguard's reasoning for associating with her. The characterization of "Void" as a collective is really interesting too.

It made me laugh that the video was just titled "Xal'atath Animation: Supremacy.". Feels like a working title that never got fixed.

Hope we get a few more!

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I could see Harrowsdeep being a Dragonflight throwback raid overall, and Iridikron, Chromatus with Dragonriding heads and a primalist (Magatha?) would fit the bill. Could even bring back Djaradin or Gnarldin.

Or instead of the Primalist Council there's an Aspect Council fight with their echoes through titan shenanigans.

I'm wondering if we'll dive deeper with the Djaradin/Gnarldin at any point. The stone effigies of their heads in the Emerald Dream is a really interesting notion. I'm super curious where they came from, if they're prototrolls or not.

[DenPhoenix]

I'm confused about this new video.

When this happened?

Before K'aresh was destroyed, it doesn't make sense. Both Salhadaar and Xal'athat should be serving Dimensius, right? It would be weird that she would mention Azeroth at that time.

After our visit to K'aresh, it also doesn't make sense, since Salhadaar was already serving the Void (Dimensius), and should be utterly defeated by us. Doubt that Xal'athat would need to share her past with him to manipulate Salhadaar.

I think this is more likely set after we defeated Dimensius and she took over Salhadaar. Because I think the Domanaar only joined her after the events of TWW, once she became the leading power among the Void and formed her own army, the Devouring Host.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Doesn't this heavily imply that Xal's goal is the same as Zovaal's? Using the Prime Worldsoul to get strong because of ~something~.

Unless it's all bullshit and she wants to nuke the galaxy out of spite.

Could be she's lying and just manipulating Saladhaar. Again, no matter what it seems they never really learned why this isn't a good idea. I mean we either got Trauma = Destroy Universe, Trauma = Omnipotency to Control Universe so no one hurts again, Trauma = Fuck it let Void win cause something even though contradicts K'aresh(?) (?) Probably not this. Even so, if she is genuine about the concept of "Survival of the Void" as a form of her taking the mantle of Sylvanas Windrunner but the Void its' still.. Not looking good for our prospects franchise wise. (She is most definitely lying based on the Raid Encounter Journal of Salhadaar Rematch though)

Or again, there's no motivation which at this point would actually be interesting and she's actually surprised she got to this step in her plan.

It does sort of feel like we're just looping storylines that at the end of the day don't lead to better outcomes for the franchise. But, alas I let the Sun Necklace speculation lead us to better places. Maybe.

[DenPhoenix]

I’m actually really curious about that sun-shaped necklace she wears during the flashbacks — I hope they properly unveil her past and about her race and world. Maybe it’s some kind of religion connected to the Sun-Light?

[Cheezits]

I’m actually really curious about that sun-shaped necklace she wears during the flashbacks — I hope they properly unveil her past and about her race and world. Maybe it’s some kind of religion connected to the Sun-Light?

Did not even think about the necklace being Light-tied. Could even be An'shel/An'shuul related to given it's a SUN medallion, which would explain why for seemingly no reason we will be getting An'she/Tauren lore soon per Blizzard's words. Maybe An'she is a real god who failed her?

Between her appearance (bald and stripes) and the sun necklace I got heavy TLAT Gorr vibes.

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I think this is more likely set after we defeated Dimensius and she took over Salhadaar. Because I think the Domanaar only joined her after the events of TWW, once she became the leading power among the Void and formed her own army, the Devouring Host.

I think the Devouring Host is her private army that has been in the wings since BFA, maybe even since the Black Empire if that is who was attacking them in the flashback. She just didn't call on them to attack Azeroth until she had enough power to make the Voidspire.

[Lady Atia]

Also ..... I was right with "Xal did nothing wrong". She's literally Sylvanas 2.0, and I'm so happy for it. Looks like new void will also 100% be about free will now, contrasting with the lights "lightblindness".

Also fits nicely with the Infinite Dragonflight's whole agenda of a free multiverse, and the light (and the titans) trying to have their one true timeline.

Really hope she survives Midnight and becomes a free agent down the line.

[Cheezits]

Also ..... I was right with "Xal did nothing wrong". She's literally Sylvanas 2.0, and I'm so happy for it. Looks like new void will also 100% be about free will now, contrasting with the lights "lightblindness".

I think the jury is still out on if she's legitimate, but that's an interesting parallel that if she is the Devouring Host is more or less the Void's version of the Forsaken. Down to a "Death to the Living" vibe. Victory through unity in a weird group that isn't unanimous and the destruction of anything and anyone else outside of allies.

[Raetary]

I’m actually really curious about that sun-shaped necklace she wears during the flashbacks — I hope they properly unveil her past and about her race and world. Maybe it’s some kind of religion connected to the Sun-Light?

The gem on the pendant is black.
It's a black sun/star.

I think that her people may have worshipped the Void.

[Lady Atia]

The gem on the pendant is black.
It's a black sun/star.

I think that her people may have worshipped the Void.

Or it's Elune related? Nightwarrior and so?

[Raetary]

Or it's Elune related? Nightwarrior and so?

If it were Elune, it would be a Moon.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Hmm, is there any other candidate for such a symbol? I don't think she's taking revenge on Elune because Elune refused to intervene in the demise of Xal'ataths homeworld. Also how would she even know about Night Elves and be like "Okay, I will punish Elune by destroying Azeroth and the homes of her precious ones". (I mean I guess she could learn it over time somehow due to how much time is from that point to her arrival on Azeroth).

I just don't buy it, I think its' something else or nothing at all and just a aesthetical choice.

Its' more likely something related to Sun/Light entities if I'd have to assume anything. Also may this not be another, hey we're hinting that you need to go here for a info dump so now we can make a patch for it. Didn't expect An'she to show up again but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

[Lady Atia]

I think the jury is still out on if she's legitimate, but that's an interesting parallel that if she is the Devouring Host is more or less the Void's version of the Forsaken. Down to a "Death to the Living" vibe. Victory through unity in a weird group that isn't unanimous and the destruction of anything and anyone else outside of allies.

Yeah. Also ..... for you Ethereal believers .... what if the reason we didn't get them in K'aresh is that Xal survives Midnight and we can play a Shadowguard Ethereal since she and Iridikron will be uneasy allies against the shitty Titans?

:P

[Xilurm]

Also ..... I was right with "Xal did nothing wrong". She's literally Sylvanas 2.0, and I'm so happy for it. Looks like new void will also 100% be about free will now, contrasting with the lights "lightblindness".

Also fits nicely with the Infinite Dragonflight's whole agenda of a free multiverse, and the light (and the titans) trying to have their one true timeline.

Really hope she survives Midnight and becomes a free agent down the line.

Killing thousands of people is pretty wrongful. And I just finished the Arator quest too. He's so dumb. Like I get that he's trying to say that there's good in Sylvanas. Ok, but she still murdered thousands of innocents. And she even said she doesn't regret any of her choices. (Which is kind of dumb btw because they made us believe that that wasn't entirely her since her soul was split.)

[Joshuaj]

Or it's Elune related? Nightwarrior and so?

Pretty sure her people worshipped Dimensius, and they were consumed by him as a result.

Dimensius tends to not take any followers, not unless he has something to gain from it.

[Lady Atia]

Killing thousands of people is pretty wrongful. And I just finished the Arator quest too. He's so dumb. Like I get that he's trying to say that there's good in Sylvanas. Ok, but she still murdered thousands of innocents. And she even said she doesn't regret any of her choices. (Which is kind of dumb btw because they made us believe that that wasn't entirely her since her soul was split.)

It's still not killing if you know they literally just respawn in the Shadowlands, and your plan is to fix the Shadowlands so they can have a happy afterlive afterall.

But I really don't wanna start another Shlands discussion lol.

[Nymrohd]

Bald halfling bitch still uninteresting to me. yawn

[Magistrate]

It's still not killing if you know they literally just respawn in the Shadowlands, and your plan is to fix the Shadowlands so they can have a happy afterlive afterall.

But I really don't wanna start another Shlands discussion lol.

Well arguably I think she knew at the time that the jailer just wanted a bunch of anima to burn up doing various...things with it...which is why all the anima was being rerouted to the maw.

I do feel caving to the morality outcry police in the fandom and doing that double take with her at the end was obviously to half appease one crowd and it ended up just making everything dumber. This feels like a slight course correction on her character, regardless of whether one likes that character, to make it slightly more consistent.

[Xilurm]

It's still not killing if you know they literally just respawn in the Shadowlands, and your plan is to fix the Shadowlands so they can have a happy afterlive afterall.

But I really don't wanna start another Shlands discussion lol.

You know, there's a reason why people who believe in the afterlife still think it's evil to kill and that mortal life is precious.

Basically, it doesn't matter where anyone respawns. She still ruined lives. And so does Xal'atath. Or any of the bad guys, regardless of what their intentions are.