Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Magistrate]

You know, there's a reason why people who believe in the afterlife still think it's evil to kill and that mortal life is precious.

Basically, it doesn't matter where anyone respawns. She still ruined lives. And so does Xal'atath. Or any of the bad guys, regardless of what their intentions are.

Arguably being dead in this cosmology barely matters when in canon anyone can hop in a portal to visit whoever they want. But morally I agree with you.

They really need to put severe limitations on SL traffic or death is trivial.

[Xilurm]

Arguably being dead in this cosmology barely matters when in canon anyone can hop in a portal to visit whoever they want. But morally I agree with you.

They really need to put severe limitations on SL traffic or death is trivial.

Well I doubt just anyone can. I don't think Elwynn peasants can travel willy nilly between dimensions. To visit the Maw again we had to go from Tazavesh, and being there hurts mortals (not us). I don't think it's a tourist spot.

[Skildar]

Bald halfling bitch still uninteresting to me. yawn

You're not receptive to the whole "I'm going to tell you my big secret that none living know... wait actually I have none"?

[Kiivar86]

Well I doubt just anyone can. I don't think Elwynn peasants can travel willy nilly between dimensions. To visit the Maw again we had to go from Tazavesh, and being there hurts mortals (not us). I don't think it's a tourist spot.

Yeah, as I recall during the questline its said that even the Tazavesh portal would only work for a short time.

It always baffles me why some people are so hung up on the Shadowlands stuff, anyway. I mean, yeah, Shadowlands did have a lot of problems but the idea of visiting the afterlife isn't one of them. That's one of the oldest tropes in stories. Hell, it IS the oldest trope, it happens in the damned epic of Gilgamesh!

Sumerian, Greek, Roman, Japanese, countless others, all have heroes visiting the underworld for one reason or another, and I don't see people complaining about that.

But we visit the afterlife in WoW and suddenly people are up in arms.

edit: And before anyone goes "well those are heroes, we had a whole bunch of folks just traipsing into the Shadowlands," Greek myth has stuff like Achilles' mother just going off to dunk her newborn in the River Styx. Plenty of folks just going to the Underworld for one reason or another.

[Magistrate]

Well I doubt just anyone can. I don't think Elwynn peasants can travel willy nilly between dimensions. To visit the Maw again we had to go from Tazavesh, and being there hurts mortals (not us). I don't think it's a tourist spot.

I don't think we have evidence of this being the case. We do have examples of adventurers coming and going like it's a Wendy's.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

You're not receptive to the whole "I'm going to tell you my big secret that none living know... wait actually I have none"?

Leashing your consumers to the inevitable conclusion that nothing ever happens is unfortunately not a good continuous sales pitch from the Warcraft Team.

Even so, this character has multiple characteristics of feeling a bit.. Copied from somewhere else. Its' just been hard to look at it from the perspective of speculation when you know that its' just not a very good job from their side.

Let alone that because of how controversial the The Last Titan is as a concept with how sensitive and absolutely horrified the Warcraft Team must be over The Last Titan's concept and Story. I have always felt like maybe they're trying to either reflect or portray Xal'ataths decision at the Worldcore as her either being pure evil so all the negativity around the concept of the expansion falls plainly on her or its the opposite and Xal'atath grants Azeroth freedom which she couldn't due to being snuffed out by the Void and forced into servitude as the Harbinger of Dimensius showcasing a clear paralell with Azeroths situation as the pawn of Aman'thuls grand plan.

Anyways, I'm bored. I can't wait for World Revamp Saga.

[Magistrate]

Yeah, as I recall during the questline its said that even the Tazavesh portal would only work for a short time.

It always baffles me why some people are so hung up on the Shadowlands stuff, anyway. I mean, yeah, Shadowlands did have a lot of problems but the idea of visiting the afterlife isn't one of them. That's one of the oldest tropes in stories. Hell, it IS the oldest trope, it happens in the damned epic of Gilgamesh!

Sumerian, Greek, Roman, Japanese, countless others, all have heroes visiting the underworld for one reason or another, and I don't see people complaining about that.

But we visit the afterlife in WoW and suddenly people are up in arms.

edit: And before anyone goes "well those are heroes, we had a whole bunch of folks just traipsing into the Shadowlands," Greek myth has stuff like Achilles' mother just going off to dunk her newborn in the River Styx. Plenty of folks just going to the Underworld for one reason or another.

In your example of Greek myth there was often a cost and it was usually done by like demigods or those blessed by gods.

This cheapens death which cheapens the cost of evil and devalues any development in world building.

Edit--

After looking into this more deeply I was wrong about the proliferation and redact my statement.

[Viridiel]

I’m actually really curious about that sun-shaped necklace she wears during the flashbacks — I hope they properly unveil her past and about her race and world. Maybe it’s some kind of religion connected to the Sun-Light?

That's exactly the impression I got. The medallion, the golden face paint, the yellow robes (hard to tell with the lighting), combined with the description of the sun being consumed/turned when K'aresh was taken. I feel like she was in a sun cult and willingly turned when the sun was darkened. Maybe An'she is her true goal and the worldsoul is just a step in her plan rather than her true end goal.

[xskarma]

I’m actually really curious about that sun-shaped necklace she wears during the flashbacks — I hope they properly unveil her past and about her race and world. Maybe it’s some kind of religion connected to the Sun-Light?

I felt it is VERY reminiscent of the Hallowfall Arathi's symbolism. Which makes me wonder if Xal is from alternate timeline Arathi or from the Arathi that the expedition left behind, and which ended up losing to the Void. Would also explain why she insisted on an Elf replacement body...

[Ersula]

It can't be during the K'aresh War unless Xal time travels, as elf Xal only came about in BFA.

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I found out what this is from: Hearthstone. Basically four of the heads are the default dragonriding mount heads, which I think is something Blizz would definitely do if he appeared ingame.

https://i.redd.it/86eb8xhkaiig1.png

It's literally the Orzhov symbol from Mtg.... somebody is obsessed with mtg at blizzard. Calia is just a carbon copy of Teysa

It's still not killing if you know they literally just respawn in the Shadowlands, and your plan is to fix the Shadowlands so they can have a happy afterlive afterall.

But I really don't wanna start another Shlands discussion lol.

The plan was also to repop everyone back to life as well. Would have been dumb to kill everyone just to create a new reality with no living people in it.

[Cheezits]

I felt it is VERY reminiscent of the Hallowfall Arathi's symbolism. Which makes me wonder if Xal is from alternate timeline Arathi or from the Arathi that the expedition left behind, and which ended up losing to the Void. Would also explain why she insisted on an Elf replacement body...

The Arathi worship the Flame, not the Sun. The Sun/Star symbolism plus the light coloration makes me think it will end up being An'she she's tied to.

Oh wait... maybe it is a Star after all.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=204465/...he-silent-star

[milkmustache]

I'm almost certain that we're going to get an Elune revelation with Xala'tath before the Saga wraps. Knowing we'll be learning more of An'she, whatever An'shuul is, and now these darkened star imageries of mortal Xal just feels too on the nose.

[Xilurm]

I felt it is VERY reminiscent of the Hallowfall Arathi's symbolism. Which makes me wonder if Xal is from alternate timeline Arathi or from the Arathi that the expedition left behind, and which ended up losing to the Void. Would also explain why she insisted on an Elf replacement body...

That's impossible. It's a different planet, hundreds of thousands of years ago.

[Scyth]

Good to see they haven't cut the animated shorts, this one was great! The baby scene was brutal. Also good to finally have it confirmed Xal was a mortal once.

Assuming we get 3 shorts, wonder what the remaining two would be? Arator and Void Elves perhaps?

[Cheezits]

I'm almost certain that we're going to get an Elune revelation with Xala'tath before the Saga wraps. Knowing we'll be learning more of An'she, whatever An'shuul is, and now these darkened star imageries of mortal Xal just feels too on the nose.

We are alarmingly close to finding out that Xal is just trying to do what Elune did (eat a worldsoul to become a god), making her "upstart goddess" comments funnier in retrospect.

[Eldryth]

Assuming we get 3 shorts, wonder what the remaining two would be? Arator and Void Elves perhaps?

I think I remember Arator having a dialogue option to ask about his backstory and play an unimplemented cutscene on beta?

Not sure what else would fit. Maybe the Amani, to recap their story and show how bad things have gotten since we last saw them? They probably need a recap the most at this point, since it's been so long since Cata and all the other relevant parties have already been present in the Saga (and we got Lorewalking to recap the Elves' story).

[milkmustache]

We are alarmingly close to finding out that Xal is just trying to do what Elune did (eat a worldsoul to become a god), making her "upstart goddess" comments funnier in retrospect.

Dare I say, that wouldn't be a terrible revelation?

[Cheezits]

Dare I say, that wouldn't be a terrible revelation?

No I'd be down with it, puts Elune in a morally ambiguous situation. Though it is more likely Elune did it for the good of all mankind vs Xal's desire to be at the top.

[DenPhoenix]

I'm almost certain that we're going to get an Elune revelation with Xala'tath before the Saga wraps. Knowing we'll be learning more of An'she, whatever An'shuul is, and now these darkened star imageries of mortal Xal just feels too on the nose.

Well, technically we already heard in Legion that she called her a great enemy and an "upstart goddess" — and i think, Elune will likely appear in some form in Midnight, especially since the expansion includes themes of elves and world trees.

Seriously, they really have to finally clarify the whole connection between the celestial bodies and Elune. But, since they said that the lore of the Tauren and An’she will come later in The Last Titan, I’ve started thinking that Midnight might not touch on the topic of the Sun and Two Moons — I hope I’m wrong.

[milkmustache]

No I'd be down with it, puts Elune in a morally ambiguous situation. Though it is more likely Elune did it for the good of all mankind vs Xal's desire to be at the top.

Well, technically we already heard in Legion that she called her a great enemy and an "upstart goddess" — and i think, Elune will likely appear in some form in Midnight, especially since the expansion includes themes of elves and world trees.

Seriously, they really have to finally clarify the whole connection between the celestial bodies and Elune. But, since they said that the lore of the Tauren and An’she will come later in The Last Titan, I’ve started thinking that Midnight might not touch on the topic of the Sun and Two Moons — I hope I’m wrong.

I still don't know where I stand on an Elune clarification. I think we can and should learn a lot more on her, but I think half of the fun is not really knowing what she is. I like that she's one of the last true mysteries in the lore.

But I agree that we should learn a bit more about the suns, but it seems like it's prime for TLT. A potential fire/light patch in Midnight might inform us more, though.