Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[BaumanKing]

Blizzard is doing no such thing. You are 100% looking for queerbaiting because you so desperately want it to happen. Stop trying to force things that are not there.

Well, that's just your opinion. I suppose you're also one of those who refuses to see anything between Anduin and Wrathion, despite the countless fan art and fan fiction about them. Same with Alleria and Xal'atath. If there wasn't anything between them, people wouldn't ship them. But the chemistry is there, and you can't deny it.

Sure, Xal'atath interacts with everyone this way, but she takes a special interest in Alleria. In March on Quel'Danas, Xal'atath even openly admits that she wants to destroy everything Alleria loves so that only the Void remains for her. She wants her by her side. Others are expendable to Xal'atath, but not Alleria.

[Hearthfinder]

Blizzard:

So we turned player housing into the expansion's main feature because player expression. Make Azeroth your own, and turn your house into an extension of your own personality. From the tiniest detail like the colour of a window sill to the bigger things, like choosing a Blood Elven or Night Elven exterior. Welcome home.

Players:

Please, sir, may we have some hairstyles?

Blizzard:

What? No. That requires effort n shit. We'll make it happen when the story makes sense, at some point, in the future, further down the line.

You're still here? Damn it. We hear you, we see you. Here's another plushie for your house.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Well, that's just your opinion. I suppose you're also one of those who refuses to see anything between Anduin and Wrathion

Yes, because for years there has been nothing more there, despite what you and those in your camp continue to press that there is.

despite the countless fan art and fan fiction about them.

I've seen fan art of anthropomorphic chairs romantically involved with anthropomorphic tables. I've seen fan art of kobolds and their candles.

I know of fan fiction about Lich King Arthas and Lich Kel'thuzad. Are you sure you really want to use fan art and fan fiction as your confirmation bias?

It's such an dishonest take, scraping the bottom of the barrel, that I can't imagine you are actually serious.

But the chemistry is there, and you can't deny it.

Just the same chemistry Xal'atath had with Saladbar in her most recent YouTube short? But you won't reference that, will you.

Sure, Xal'atath interacts with everyone this way, but she takes a special interest in Alleria. In March on Quel'Danas, Xal'atath even openly admits that she wants to destroy everything Alleria loves so that only the Void remains for her. She wants her by her side. Others are expendable to Xal'atath, but not Alleria.

Yes, yes... featured main character of expansion is targeted by featured main villain of expansion. Of course there is so much more to it.

Keep grasping at straws. You've been proven wrong for years now.

[Joshuaj]

The more recent one was in TWW.

The Lorewalking of Xal'athat shows that she made a pact with N'zoth when she was imprisoned in the Blade, leaving the other Old Gods oblivious.

Not only that, but N'zoth was building something in Ny'alotha, something that we still know nothing about.

Then we have his DF's cameo.

You can bet your ass that we'll hear more about him during Midnight and TLT.

BTW don't know if this has been posted yet, but since people were talking about player customization... It seems that we'll have to wait a bit yet. Definitively not in TLT.

https://frvr.com/blog/blizzard-confi...e-a-long-time/

You mean the pact where she clearly used him for her own desires? The same pact where he did end up outlining his kin and became the only Old God to fully break free from his chains? The same pact that led him to nearly claiming Azeroth only for us to defeat him in the end? The same pact that led to literally every source imaginable (including Xal'atath herself) saying that the Old Gods are dead and that the Black Empire is no more?

Also, his DF cameo just means he's aware of us. Whether that means anything in the current timeline or not is unknown, and I don't think it's really relevant. If you DO connect it to the main timeline (and not just a glimpse into what was, which could lead into an entirely new, separate timeline being made, but whatever...), then that just connects to N'Zoth dreaming of our destiny in BFA, him trying to recruit us during our battle against him, etc.

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N'Zoth was very clever, but his arrogance led to his defeat. Unless I'm completely wrong and Blizzard does end up bringing him back, we have no reason to believe the Old God isn't dead. As far as everyone is concerned, he's gone, and Xal'atath outlived the Old Gods (Which was literally the irony of the timewalking cutscene, where Y'Shaarj says everyone but her will claim power and glory, and she is forced to watch everything unfold for eternity).

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Its been baffling people for 21 years now how blizzard tries with all their might to not give people (more) customization and freedom.

No extended customizations for classes / races (e.g. Glyphs, hairstyles, etc..)
No removal of arbitrary transmog restrictions. They used to play the "PvPers will get confused if a plate wearer is looking like hes wearing cloth armor, how will they be able to tell the class?!" (while they did add random and borderline skimpy outfits that can be used by everyone thus negating their very argument"
Refusal to "properly" utilize their cash shop to add loads of amazing mounts / outfits / anything to both satisfy players and also to fund WoWs and other games developement (remember the sparkle pony made more money than all SC2 sales?)

Whoever is in charge of their cosmetics department is incredibly inept in their job.

They literally said they're going to, but they want to reveal everything as part of a bigger project.

[THEORACLE64]

Please, don't think Blizzard's writers are stupid; they know exactly what they're doing here. Just watch any cutscene featuring Alleria and Xal'atath, and see how seductively Xal'atath acts toward Alleria, how constantly she is in close proximity to Alleria's body.

Blizzard's writers are 100% queerbaiting here.

You're as dumb as dog shit if you think this.

[Joshuaj]

We're really just grasping at non existent straws, huh?

The expac is only a few weeks away, y'all CAN'T be starving this badly.

[THEORACLE64]

We're really just grasping at non existent straws, huh?

The expac is only a few weeks away, y'all CAN'T be starving this badly.

It's literally launching early access next week.

[Darkarath]

You mean the pact where she clearly used him for her own desires? The same pact where he did end up outlining his kin and became the only Old God to fully break free from his chains? The same pact that led him to nearly claiming Azeroth only for us to defeat him in the end? The same pact that led to literally every source imaginable (including Xal'atath herself) saying that the Old Gods are dead and that the Black Empire is no more?

Also, his DF cameo just means he's aware of us. Whether that means anything in the current timeline or not is unknown, and I don't think it's really relevant. If you DO connect it to the main timeline (and not just a glimpse into what was, which could lead into an entirely new, separate timeline being made, but whatever...), then that just connects to N'Zoth dreaming of our destiny in BFA, him trying to recruit us during our battle against him, etc.


N'Zoth was very clever, but his arrogance led to his defeat. Unless I'm completely wrong and Blizzard does end up bringing him back, we have no reason to believe the Old God isn't dead. As far as everyone is concerned, he's gone, and Xal'atath outlived the Old Gods (Which was literally the irony of the timewalking cutscene, where Y'Shaarj says everyone but her will claim power and glory, and she is forced to watch everything unfold for eternity).

I understand your point of view but I think that it is incorrect.

I have been playing this game long enough to know that Blizzard ALWAYS leaves a door open to bring back anyone.

I also know that Blizzard doesn't do this kind of heavy hinting if it's not planning something for the future.

IMO it's like saying that the Legion is never coming back. The hints are everywhere. It will be different, but it will come back.

N'zoth's case is exactly the same. Hopefully all the Old Gods will come back with him, although I have doubts about this possibility. No doubts about N'zoth, though.

We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

[Throwawayx]

Well, that's just your opinion.

So… that's exactly what shipping is - fan speculation and fan fiction. You said it yourself.

Does everything really need a romantic subtext? I find it strange how often shipping gets applied where it doesn't even make sense to begin with. Some fans also get very.... let's just say, vocal, or defensive when their fan works aren't "canon". Call me old-fashioned, but I'm not a fan of fan shipping. And I've seen it becoming especially weird in other fandoms when it involves underage characters - which is just creepy and inappropriate, full stop.

[Cheezits]

The only "queerbait" in Warcraft is Anduin and Wrathion's relationship, and even then it's portrayed mostly as a vague one-sided attraction on Wrathion's part. And that will never end up anywhere because of the newly targeted "diversified audience" not liking homosexuals and particularly not gay men.

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She could be a Naaru which would make the island more directly relevant to the story. Heck we could end up with Zul'jan becoming a paladin thus if Amani become an allied race they could have paladins/priests from the start. It could also be something completely original. Maybe she is a Death or Order aligned creature or even an Elemental.

The "force that was lost to us", Midnight story wise, does make the most sense to be Light and if that is the case it implies Ula'tek could be something Light-aligned. It would also unfortunately allow Blizzard to skip over Lordaeron entirely as the Vanguard of Light could get its powerup in Zul'Aman and immediately go to fight Xal.

[Throwawayx]

The only "queerbait" in Warcraft is Anduin and Wrathion's relationship, and even then it's portrayed mostly as a vague one-sided attraction on Wrathion's part. And that will never end up anywhere because of the newly targeted "diversified audience" not liking homosexuals and particularly not gay men.

Relevant:

“Wind,” came a soft voice. An elegant, long-legged draenei woman stepped forward, looking at Anduin. He wondered how it was that a thirteen-year-old boy had suddenly been put in charge and thought frantically. Yes—properly directed and controlled, the wind could blow away the enveloping snow without causing harm to anyone trapped inside. They could then see how much earth was piled atop the rubble. “Uh—yeah,” he said inelegantly. “But be careful!” She closed her eyes and fluttered long, blue fingers, tossing her blue-black hair. Despite the direness of the situation, for a moment Anduin simply stared at her, enraptured by her beauty and grace, then blushed and concentrated his attention on the magic she was summoning.

Christie Golden in The Shattering.

[Joshuaj]

It's literally launching early access next week.

Oh yeah, I forgot!

NEXT WEEK FOR ME THEN, HAHAHA!

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I understand your point of view but I think that it is incorrect.

I have been playing this game long enough to know that Blizzard ALWAYS leaves a door open to bring back anyone.

I also know that Blizzard doesn't do this kind of heavy hinting if it's not planning something for the future.

IMO it's like saying that the Legion is never coming back. The hints are everywhere. It will be different, but it will come back.

N'zoth's case is exactly the same. Hopefully all the Old Gods will come back with him, although I have doubts about this possibility. No doubts about N'zoth, though.

We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

I simply think you're ignoring the fact Blizzard very clearly wants to make, build up, and utilize new threats.

[Nymrohd]

The only "queerbait" in Warcraft is Anduin and Wrathion's relationship, and even then it's portrayed mostly as a vague one-sided attraction on Wrathion's part. And that will never end up anywhere because of the newly targeted "diversified audience" not liking homosexuals and particularly not gay men.

I am not saying that queerbaiting does not exist but it needs to be overt. If the fandom creates a ship that was never supported in game, that is not baiting. Wrathion and Anduin never in game showed any attraction to each other, just friendship. This isn't Sherlock or Supernatural. Blizzard has never marketed the game baiting Wrathduin

[SaintBigfoot]

We're really just grasping at non existent straws, huh?

The expac is only a few weeks away, y'all CAN'T be starving this badly.

You’re really big on shaming folks for things they want when you’re like the only First Ones fan I’ve ever met.

[Joshuaj]

You’re really big on shaming folks for things they want when you’re like the only First Ones fan I’ve ever met.

Irrelevant, but I respect the attempt.

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I really hope so too. I'm so tired of Blizzard constantly queerbaiting. There is certainly great chemistry between Alleria and Xal'atath. And with Alleria now single and Xal'atath having a chance at redemption due to her tragic backstory, maybe there's hope they'll end up together.

Well, it's less that Alleria is single, and more like she took a bit of break from the relationship. She still very much loves Turalyon and Arator.

Also, Alleria and Xal is legit a terrible ship LMAO. They both want to kill eachother.

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

Well, it's less that Alleria is single, and more like she took a bit of break from the relationship. She still very much loves Turalyon and Arator.

Also, Alleria and Xal is legit a terrible ship LMAO. They both want to kill eachother.

I say this very lightheartedly but as a queer person who hangs out in those communities (obviously), the best ships and the ships people love the most are the ones that involve two characters who absolutely hate each other LOL

[Boomer Thor]

pelagosxzovaal is the best ship

[Nymrohd]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzar...central-380404

"We'll do it but not any time soon" . . .
Things private servers can serve tomorrow take years for Blizzard to manage apparently

[Civciv]

pelagosxzovaal is the best ship

I miss Pelagos so much....

[Reive]

since midnight is one week away we can pretty much assume that those 3+ shorts before an expansion are a thing of the past. this is the second expansion in a row where we only get one.

should have released more of those instead of making 10 ads for housing+ 1 cinematic