Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Boomer Thor]

We don't know how expansion is until it ends, Come back and rate it in TLT pre-patch.

I guess I should wait til TLT pre patch to buy midnight then. Considering the expansion 12.0 launches when 13.0 is live.

[Nymrohd]

The launch experience is a completely different beast to the expac anyway. I'd say you can judge an expansion's launch content, which is the lion's share of the expansion, by the X.0.5 patch. The seasonal support is a separate thing imo.

[Viridiel]

And that will never end up anywhere because of the newly targeted "diversified audience" not liking homosexuals and particularly not gay men.

May I ask what you mean by this? What do you think is the newly targeted diversified audience and what makes you think they don't like homosexual people?

[Scyth]

No animated short this week? There's still time left in the week but I assumed they'd all be released at similar time of the week.

[Limayria]

May I ask what you mean by this? What do you think is the newly targeted diversified audience and what makes you think they don't like homosexual people?

Tbh looking at the reactions people have whenever there's been LGBT characters or even the suggestion that characters are LGBT (like the dog piling on Xalleria shippers lol) makes it seem more like it's the existing community thats upset about it lol


Which isn't really surprising if you have ever actually read the shit wow players spam in chat lol

[Ersula]

Tbh looking at the reactions people have whenever there's been LGBT characters or even the suggestion that characters are LGBT (like the dog piling on Xalleria shippers lol) makes it seem more like it's the existing community thats upset about it lol


Which isn't really surprising if you have ever actually read the shit wow players spam in chat lol

People keep saying "why are they doing this in a game for middle aged men" like, because they need to broaden the demographic? Isn't that obvious? The brand can't grow based on middle-aged men alone. "Why can't this one thing just be for straight white men?" I get the sentiment but this is just the nature of capitalism. If the market isn't growing, its dying. And they can't capitalize one the adolescent male demo because WoW isn't a fps, nor can it exploit their inherent insecurities.

[Throwawayx]

they need to broaden the demographic

Those are words the C-suite likes to hear, and they make sense... in theory. How did that work out for Star Wars or Star Trek? Both franchises attempted to modernize tone, themes, and representation to broaden appeal. In your opinion, was that successful? Should WoW follow that path? I'm not referring here to chasing any specific demographic, just as a general idea.

[TomatoBisque]

Those are words the C-suite likes to hear, and they make sense... in theory. How did that work out for Star Wars or Star Trek? Both franchises attempted to modernize tone, themes, and representation to broaden appeal. In your opinion, was that successful? Should WoW follow that path? I'm not referring here to chasing any specific demographic, just as a general idea.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "tone, themes, and representation" wrt Star Wars and Star Trek here?

[Nymrohd]

Tbh looking at the reactions people have whenever there's been LGBT characters or even the suggestion that characters are LGBT (like the dog piling on Xalleria shippers lol) makes it seem more like it's the existing community thats upset about it lol

Or you know, pushing for a violent, toxic predatory imaginary relationship that could only ever be characterized as a crack ship is the worst possible representation that could only be celebrated in the subtext of Hays code era cinema . . .

[Monkal]

Those are words the C-suite likes to hear, and they make sense... in theory. How did that work out for Star Wars or Star Trek? Both franchises attempted to modernize tone, themes, and representation to broaden appeal. In your opinion, was that successful? Should WoW follow that path? I'm not referring here to chasing any specific demographic, just as a general idea.

Considering I'm finally getting some of my friends to watch Star Trek after 15 years pestering them now that we have Starfleet Academy, yeah I'd say it kinda worked for ST.

[Limayria]

Or you know, pushing for a violent, toxic predatory imaginary relationship that could only ever be characterized as a crack ship is the worst possible representation that could only be celebrated in the subtext of Hays code era cinema . . .

Two characters who's entire narrative arc is about obsessively chasing each other is a crack ship to you? I also notice we don't get people shitting on other much more crack ships (like Azshara/ Denathrius who have canonically never even shown they know each other exist, or even been on the same plane of reality btw) and fictional relationships don't need to be healthy to be interesting, this is literally just "vox and alastor can't be gay" all over again for some reason

Like even if you personally don't like the ship trying to act like you can't see the appeal is crazyyyy especially when there's canon cut scenes of Xal and Alleria that are specifically shot to make them look like a couple lol

[Merryck]

Two characters who's entire narrative arc is about obsessively chasing each other is a crack ship to you? I also notice we don't get people shitting on other much more crack ships (like Azshara/ Denathrius who have canonically never even shown they know each other exist, or even been on the same plane of reality btw) and fictional relationships don't need to be healthy to be interesting, this is literally just "vox and alastor can't be gay" all over again for some reason

Like even if you personally don't like the ship trying to act like you can't see the appeal is crazyyyy especially when there's canon cut scenes of Xal and Alleria that are specifically shot to make them look like a couple lol

She's literally married to a man, and has been in a relationship with him for a thousand years. Plus they have a kid. But, sure, she's totally secretly in love with the possessed corpse of an elf intent on destroying the world and killing everyone she loves. Yeah no it's a fucking insane ship.

[Makabreska]

Somehow, some peeps interpreted the destruction of Dalaran and killing of who-knows-how-many Alleria friends, as a simple Xal flirt attempt.

[Nymrohd]

Somehow, some peeps interpreted the destruction of Dalaran and killing of who-knows-how-many Alleria friends, as a simple Xal flirt.

Heteronormativity fucks with queer people.

[Civciv]

Two characters who's entire narrative arc is about obsessively chasing each other is a crack ship to you? I also notice we don't get people shitting on other much more crack ships (like Azshara/ Denathrius who have canonically never even shown they know each other exist, or even been on the same plane of reality btw) and fictional relationships don't need to be healthy to be interesting, this is literally just "vox and alastor can't be gay" all over again for some reason

Like even if you personally don't like the ship trying to act like you can't see the appeal is crazyyyy especially when there's canon cut scenes of Xal and Alleria that are specifically shot to make them look like a couple lol

I'm gay, and I think Xal/Alleria ship is dumb as hell, period.

[huth]

Two characters who's entire narrative arc is about obsessively chasing each other is a crack ship to you? I also notice we don't get people shitting on other much more crack ships (like Azshara/ Denathrius who have canonically never even shown they know each other exist, or even been on the same plane of reality btw) and fictional relationships don't need to be healthy to be interesting, this is literally just "vox and alastor can't be gay" all over again for some reason

Like even if you personally don't like the ship trying to act like you can't see the appeal is crazyyyy especially when there's canon cut scenes of Xal and Alleria that are specifically shot to make them look like a couple lol

Context matters. You're completely ignoring why they are chasing and chose to interpret it purely through a romantic lens that makes no sense in the actual story. Alleria has at no point shown any romantic interest in Xal. Just a desire to put as many actual arrows through her as is elvenly possible.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[Jaggler]

I can see the appeal of a Xal/Alleria-ship, but that doesn't make it any less insane tbh lol

[Vakir]

Hey, remember when Anduin and Wrathion had a pretty cool dynamic in Mists and, species and age weirdness aside, regardless of how people interpreted them, at least one of them wasn't cackling evil?

Yeah, Xal and Alleria is the total fucking opposite of that. If you wanna keep that to fanfic, you like the aesthetic and the mutual (purely antagonistic) tension, that's fine and you have the right, nobody is stopping you. But arguing it as resembling as hinted in canon or even "queerbaiting" - what the fresh hell are you talking about?

[Hitei]

Hey, remember when Anduin and Wrathion had a pretty cool dynamic in Mists and, species and age weirdness aside, regardless of how people interpreted them, at least one of them wasn't cackling evil?

Truuuue! Hey remember when Wrathion leaned into Anduin's personal space to whisper right next to his ear? On multiple occasions? And remember when Wrathion had a line about how Anduin had "broken his dark heart."? What totally normal behavior that definitely couldn't be read as flirty at all.

[allegrian]

Shouldn't we get the second CGI Midnight trailer by now? They've been doing that since at least Shadowlands.