Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I mean, humans are looking like titans, just in small (afterall their ancestors were titanforged), and the titans are supposedly made from world souls. So, it would make sense for Azeroth to look like the other titans, thus, quite human

You’re completely right, it just feels icky. I am a troll truther and think Azeroth should look troll like as they are the only natural occurring race we know of on the planet.

Other then the elements.

[Joshuaj]

A new datamined post-raid spoiler has Liadrin say she heard a female voice when she prayed to the light during the cinematic, before the Vanguard appeared

It's likely just Azeroth's voice tbh (Not Elune's voice. Not a sacred temple goddesses voice. Azeroth's).

[Boomer Thor]

To illustrate the issue a bit

They have already demonstrated in the story they can teleport others to places near instantaneously and blizzard don't enforce the scale in lore so it's irrelevant. Either way the fact they don't leave a message to... ANY OTHER FORCE... Just makes them all the more idiotic and the story suffers because of it

I mean there is also the whole undermine AND DRAGONS FROM DRAGON FLIGHT as well as other forces that are close enough

[Hearthfinder]

BTW the tree portal to Harandar in Silvermoon looks pretty much exactly like the concept art Blizzard commissioned for TWW. Just throwing that out there. Seems likely more concepts will be reintroduced later on in the Worldsoul Saga.

Hint: Beledar, trapped Old Gods, dead titans, sleeping Azeroth, the Undersea.

[Joshuaj]

What should the forsaken do? blight the darkwell and the void forces? And after the battle for lordaeron and the fourth war the forsaken don't seem to be in a great spot. Edit: Also they lost canonically at darkshore too.

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i mean, humans are looking like titans, just in small (afterall their ancestors were titanforged), and the titans are supposedly made from world souls. So, it would make sense for Azeroth to look like the other titans, thus, quite human

Depends on if worldsouls are actually baby titans, and the Titans weren't just bullshitting that origin

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BTW the tree portal to Harandar in Silvermoon looks pretty much exactly like the concept art Blizzard commissioned for TWW. Just throwing that out there. Seems likely more concepts will be reintroduced later on in the Worldsoul Saga.

Hint: Beledar, trapped Old Gods, dead titans, sleeping Azeroth, the Undersea.

At best, we might see the corpse of Yogg-Saron or something like that deep within Northrend. That would be kinda sick.

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Cause reminder, when we killed him, only his head was shown. The Old God itself was still rooted within the world. Same applies with C'Thun. Y'Shaarj and N'Zoth are entirely different stories though.

[Sondrelk]

Blizzard shows they don't think about the implications or perceptions of what they write all the time and this is another case where they wrote a thesis for the expansion themes that doesn't match what we see in-game at all. Alleria and the void elves just make everything actively worse with their only contribution being getting access to the Voidstorm which is then cancelled out because Xal'atath wins by exploiting Alleria and corrupts the Sunwell anyway. They want a story about the Light being potentially just as bad as the Void but all they show is how horribly evil and ruinous the Void is and at this point probably the most they'll do is make a Lordaeron patch where they try to show the 22-year old Scarlet Crusade as some revolutionary idea that Light characters could be evil

Don't feel it's as egregiously bad as BfA, which was the worst it got in that the thesis of that expansion should have been that the Alliance, Azeroth, and even the Horde itself, would be safer if the Horde was dismantled treaty of Versailles style. Even as the story espoused cooperation.

For Midnight the story is at least only saying the Blood Elves are hypocrites, even as they are blatantly correct in their initial assumptions. And the Light are actually shown as a threat, even if the reasoning is hamfisted.

[Enrif]

You’re completely right, it just feels icky. I am a troll truther and think Azeroth should look troll like as they are the only natural occurring race we know of on the planet.

Other then the elements.

while i understand the sentiment, the troll tribes that were closer to Azeroth (dark trolls that turned into Night Elves and Harranir), look more human, rather than the other way around. The evidence points to Azeroth be human-like. Now, how much, we don't know, as only a single titan looked somewhat different, Argus, as he had pointy but short ears. But that isn't much of a difference

[Sondrelk]

They have already demonstrated in the story they can teleport others to places near instantaneously and blizzard don't enforce the scale in lore so it's irrelevant. Either way the fact they don't leave a message to... ANY OTHER FORCE... Just makes them all the more idiotic and the story suffers because of it

I mean there is also the whole undermine AND DRAGONS FROM DRAGON FLIGHT as well as other forces that are close enough

Dragons will forever have the Avengers problem, sadly. Every expansion where the dragons don't show up, will make them feel incompetent.

[Joshuaj]

You’re completely right, it just feels icky. I am a troll truther and think Azeroth should look troll like as they are the only natural occurring race we know of on the planet.

Other then the elements.

If Azeroth takes a form, something primordial like a Troll but more ancient looking makes the most sense.

As for her nature? Most likely elemental. Assuming the 7th power's influences are the worldsouls and the elements, it could definitely work with the conflict against the other powers.

[Sondrelk]

while i understand the sentiment, the troll tribes that were closer to Azeroth (dark trolls that turned into Night Elves and Harranir), look more human, rather than the other way around. The evidence points to Azeroth be human-like. Now, how much, we don't know, as only a single titan looked somewhat different, Argus, as he had pointy but short ears. But that isn't much of a difference

If we assume that proximity to Azeroth in whatever form makes you look closer to Azeroth itself, then the logical endpoint is an elf.

[Enrif]

They have already demonstrated in the story they can teleport others to places near instantaneously and blizzard don't enforce the scale in lore so it's irrelevant. Either way the fact they don't leave a message to... ANY OTHER FORCE... Just makes them all the more idiotic and the story suffers because of it

I mean there is also the whole undermine AND DRAGONS FROM DRAGON FLIGHT as well as other forces that are close enough

Just look at TWW. Jaina and Thrall leave Khaz'Algar at the start of the expansion and it takes the Horde and Alliance forces until after the main story to arrive. A "they can teleport" is a cheap answer.

[Joshuaj]

Just look at TWW. Jaina and Thrall leave Khaz'Algar at the start of the expansion and it takes the Horde and Alliance forces until after the main story to arrive. A "they can teleport" is a cheap answer.

Teleportation isn't easy in-universe either. People seem to not realize that.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

while i understand the sentiment, the troll tribes that were closer to Azeroth (dark trolls that turned into Night Elves and Harranir), look more human, rather than the other way around. The evidence points to Azeroth be human-like. Now, how much, we don't know, as only a single titan looked somewhat different, Argus, as he had pointy but short ears. But that isn't much of a difference

Oh… I hadn’t thought about that, oh I absolutely hate that.

[Enrif]

I mean there is also the whole undermine AND DRAGONS FROM DRAGON FLIGHT as well as other forces that are close enough

On the dragons you are right. They should come alongside the night elves. Especially Kalecgos should have an interest as the Aspect of Magic and for his personal connection to he Sunwell

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

BTW the tree portal to Harandar in Silvermoon looks pretty much exactly like the concept art Blizzard commissioned for TWW. Just throwing that out there. Seems likely more concepts will be reintroduced later on in the Worldsoul Saga.

Hint: Beledar, trapped Old Gods, dead titans, sleeping Azeroth, the Undersea.

I am so skeptical on if we can actually execute on everything in The Last Titan. We need more IGCs, Shorts, Cinematics. I don't see them incorporating anything but the core of whats' expected and even that is up for debate.

Like the speculated events of The Last Titan are like making this very hard for a implementation since there's just too much. Midnight is a litmus test and so far its' looking rough on how the fuck they're going execute on what is essentially a Legion at 200%.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

If Azeroth takes a form, something primordial like a Troll but more ancient looking makes the most sense.

As for her nature? Most likely elemental. Assuming the 7th power's influences are the worldsouls and the elements, it could definitely work with the conflict against the other powers.

I don’t see an outcome where Azeroth isn’t multi power related given the well and laylines point to a base nature of Arcane with others then mixing into it like the elements nature and light.

[Enrif]

If we assume that proximity to Azeroth in whatever form makes you look closer to Azeroth itself, then the logical endpoint is an elf.

Human with slightly pointy ears. Elves are just humans made out of Troll stuff instead of stone stuff. Heck, even orcs, their ancestor created by an titan, became more and more human looking. over time.

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Oh… I hadn’t thought about that, oh I absolutely hate that.

yeah, it is awkward, but somewhat likely

[Reive]

Also for fun look at how much World Soul Saga advertising is just Xal'atath staring at you as this is a large part of what people will see in advertising

because there are no interesting "good" characters left. the old guard has been lobotomized and the new ones are all made with the same boring mold. in blizzard's visions, the avengers (the main cast) aren't allowed to have edge or personality in general. those who do get killed, "redeemed" or villain batted. ironically, the most interesting characters modern wow has are indeed villains. iridirkon and xal'atath are examples of that. that's why 90% of the wss saga is just xally doing things while smirking

[Boomer Thor]

Just look at TWW. Jaina and Thrall leave Khaz'Algar at the start of the expansion and it takes the Horde and Alliance forces until after the main story to arrive. A "they can teleport" is a cheap answer.

Yes it took them less time to arrive than the elves to come coz the factions come early in the campaign (pre raid I would say going by the book quests) the sunwelk stuff is POST RAID and the logical thing when you have a threat is to alert your allies especially when it's an invasion from space, hell it didn't take the factions long to get to the broken shore either

[Enrif]

Teleportation isn't easy in-universe either. People seem to not realize that.

indeed. We had a whole questline in Hallowfall about how a mage can't teleport home! And peopel forget, the best mages and teleport masters were at dalaran, and likely died with them. Even back in Legion, Occuleth makes it clear how teleportation works and it isn't an easy thing to be stable.

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Yes it took them less time to arrive than the elves to come coz the factions come early in the campaign (pre raid I would say going by the book quests) the sunwelk stuff is POST RAID and the logical thing when you have a threat is to alert your allies especially when it's an invasion from space, hell it didn't take the factions long to get to the broken shore either

Ask yourself: What are horde and alliance doing in Khaz'Algar? They are not just there to train some earthen. Remember the quest where Alleria shoots the dark heart from Xal? Yeah, the horde and alliance were fighting down below in Hallowfall too. Likely many still had to contend with the Nerubians.

The main bulk of their forces is slow to move.

Also, we don't know how many forces the other elves send. If it is each just a battalion each, it isn't much, but just enough to act now instead of waiting for the main forces. Also, magic. Outside of the elves, no one is as versed in it as them. Perhaps some humans and Zandalari at best. And the sunwell is made out of water from the Well of Eternity, something both Night Elves and Nightborne are familiar with for over 10k years.