Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Pyrophax]

I don't see her flirting with Turalyon or Arator. I don't see her so obsessed with anyone but Alleria. She's not even particularly interested in my priest anymore.

BC you don't have dark naaru inside. But Alleria has. All Xal doing is force Alleria to unleash Naaru powers from herself and probably pull L'ura from Alleria. As she did in raid.

[Nymrohd]

Well, looks like Blizzard committed to fixing the Haranir. I wish they'd give them more hair options, but that's never going to happen.

Probably the only reason I'd ever want a WoW 2 is something that would allow them to rethink how gear is applied on character models. Whatever method is used in Warcraft just does not work for anything more complex than a basic texture map. Anything 3D will have issues even with the most basic model (human male)

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BC you don't have dark naaru inside. But Alleria has. All Xal doing is force Alleria to unleash Naaru powers from herself and probably pull L'ura from Alleria. As she did in raid.

It does seem having a dark naaru was central to her plan; during the quest to free T'era before she is turned, Xal repeatedly says it would have been so much better if the shadowguard had not failed to capture L'uura who is clearly the stronger naaru of the two.

[Lahis]

I don't see her flirting with Turalyon or Arator. I don't see her so obsessed with anyone but Alleria. She's not even particularly interested in my priest anymore.

Alleria is the only one walking around with a Weapon of Mass Destruction inside her. That's what interest Xal.

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I'm still of the belief that she needs Alleria, and taunting/"obsessing" over her is how she's going to get whatever IT is.

Xal wants L'ura. So taunting Alleria is her way to lure her into a position where she can weaponize the Naaru.

[Joszef Kiprich]

Speculation: Alleria dies, somehow passes L'ura over to Arator, with L'ura being in a twilight state. Can we now ship Xarator?

[Enrif]

Hmm, are the Shul'ka similar in function/basis to shadow hunters? The one we meet in the campaign has a glaive like almost every (... basically every shadow hunter, let's be honest), speaks of them entreating with spirits and shadows, and they are hunters, healers, and guides.

yeah, felt quite related to shadow hunters, but also a bit different, but that is to be expected as they are separated for so long from other civlizations

[BaumanKing]

Alleria is the only one walking around with a Weapon of Mass Destruction inside her. That's what interest Xal.

So? She was also interested in the Dark Heart. I didn't see her flirting with Iridikron, Gallywix, Ve'nari, or Locus-Walker.

She could easily be obsessed with Alleria, both for her possession of a weapon of mass destruction and as a person. One doesn't contradict the other.

[Pyrophax]

yeah, felt quite related to shadow hunters, but also a bit different, but that is to be expected as they are separated for so long from other civlizations

They even sound familiar
Shadow Hunters - Sha Hun - Shul'Ka.
Probably early Shul'ka was dark troll shadow hunters that come to Rift to battle dreams. In a millenia name and customs changed.

[Enrif]

They even sound familiar
Shadow Hunters - Sha Hun - Shul'Ka.
Probably early Shul'ka was dark troll shadow hunters that come to Rift to battle dreams. In a millenia name and customs changed.

i even wonder if shadow hunters evolved into something different for night elves, as their ancestors should have them then also. And i kinda think of wardens and night warrior as an possible evolution from that dark path of shadow hunters.

[Pyrophax]

i even wonder if shadow hunters evolved into something different for night elves, as their ancestors should have them then also. And i kinda think of wardens and night warrior as an possible evolution from that dark path of shadow hunters.

Shadow Hunters are bound to their deity. For trolls there are countless Loas. Shul'ka abandon their connection to Aln'Hara to save their people as ultimate sacrifice. Maybe Night Elven Moon priestesses oblige their tradition with Bows to old dark troll Shadow Hunters?

[KOUNTERPARTS]

So? She was also interested in the Dark Heart. I didn't see her flirting with Iridikron, Gallywix, Ve'nari, or Locus-Walker.

She could easily be obsessed with Alleria, both for her possession of a weapon of mass destruction and as a person. One doesn't contradict the other.

But you've never made this about anybody other than Alleria, from the moment you started your drivel about Alleria being overtly "queer coded" with her new appearance in TWW over a year ago. Xal'atath "flirting" with anybody else was never an issue because it didn't fit your agenda. Her sultry and seductive way of speaking has been with everybody, but for some reason, you only "see" it when it's with Alleria.

Curious.

You are so utterly fried over this notion that there has to be some romantic angle that you're forcing coincidences and spouting about this shit for years now. I beg you-- please, get off the Internet and have some common sense. It's gotten to the point where you've agreed with people who have been laughing at you, not with you. Move on.

[Enrif]

Shadow Hunters are bound to their deity. For trolls there are countless Loas. Shul'ka abandon their connection to Aln'Hara to save their people as ultimate sacrifice. Maybe Night Elven Moon priestesses oblige their tradition with Bows to old dark troll Shadow Hunters?

that's why i brought up night warrior. uses glaives, uses dark powers, makes sacrifice to godess.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Xalleria is huge. And it wasn't born out of nothing.

But I won't argue with you, because judging by your avatar, I already know your position on this issue.

Let's just be clear here: there is a massive difference between your hate boner for Turalyon and your seemingly actual boner for forcing a romantic relationship between 2 fictional characters that have had no indication that will ever happen. It's almost predatory at this point and you continuously scraping the bottom of the barrel for justifications is... quite frankly, weird and cringey.

You can hate Turalyon for how he's portrayed and I'm fine with that. I don't think he's this lackluster human character that is worthless like you've been spewing over the years.

You sit here and post sarcastically yet, want to be taken seriously. It doesn't go both ways and eventually you need to find some new shtick.

[Civciv]

So? She was also interested in the Dark Heart. I didn't see her flirting with Iridikron, Gallywix, Ve'nari, or Locus-Walker.

She could easily be obsessed with Alleria, both for her possession of a weapon of mass destruction and as a person. One doesn't contradict the other.

You're actually delulu LMAO

[Boomer Thor]

I miss characters like Garithos and Garrosh.

[Lolites]

So? She was also interested in the Dark Heart. I didn't see her flirting with Iridikron, Gallywix, Ve'nari, or Locus-Walker.

none of them had dark heart inside them ...as far as we know

[BaumanKing]

You are so utterly fried over this notion that there has to be some romantic angle that you're forcing coincidences and spouting about this shit for years now. I beg you-- please, get off the Internet and have some common sense. It's gotten to the point where you've agreed with people who have been laughing at you, not with you. Move on.

You give me too much credit. I'm just a person writing on this forum, I'm not forcing anything. I don't have that kind of power. I'm simply sharing my interpretation of the relationship between Alleria and Xal'atath, backed up by some evidence. There's nothing wrong with that. Instead, I and people with similar opinions are receiving constant aggression from people like you. That's why I wrote that I don't want to argue with you, because we will never find common ground.

[Boomer Thor]

You give me too much credit. I'm just a person writing on this forum, I'm not forcing anything. I don't have that kind of power. I'm simply sharing my interpretation of the relationship between Alleria and Xal'atath, backed up by some evidence. There's nothing wrong with that. Instead, I and people with similar opinions are receiving constant aggression from people like you. That's why I wrote that I don't want to argue with you, because we will never find common ground.

Don't take it too hard he has a tendency to make baseless demands on people like saying "You need to edit this coz I don't understand" instead of simply asking for an explanation or just using friendl-... More neutral words.

Good on you for calling him out on it though.

[Monkal]

Amazing use of the Speculation thread all around, congratulations to everyone.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

It is wild to find a WoW shipper in 2026. Last time I saw one was during MoP with the Anduin x Wrathion fanartists on tumblr. I guess there was also sylvanas x anduin during BFA, but that seemed more like a joke than something anyone was actually invested in.

Anyway, this franchise has been terrible if you want romance. So many characters over 20+ years, and yet there were only three couples. Thrall out of nowhere to a character most people have forgotten or are lukewarm about. Golden kept trying to write Jaina as being sane and getting closer to Kalecgos only for the quest writers for the game to keep presenting her as an angry loner. And then Lor'themar snd the Nightborne allied race lady was out of nowhere. And that's it.

It's pretty ridiculous that Anduin and Tess sre unmarried at their age when they are the sole heirs living during epochal conflict with a war or an apoclaypse happening every few months. Gotta make make heirs to secure the future of the kingdom.

[Capivara]

Decimus is a great character for midnight, hope they give him some Bwonsandi treatment, adding more of him into the story.