Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Super Dickmann]

What really grind me wrong about Zul'Aman in that respect is that the Loa storyline is written so hamfistedly I almost expect a twist where the Loa did actually abandon Zul'jin for no reason, and Zul'Jarra needs to learn the secret technique of sometimes being a dick from Zul'jan.

If the writers backtrack, ala Denathrius, on turning Zul'jan into an antagonist beneath the waves of twitter criticism (which is correct for once) and have him hook up with Ula'tek, that pretty much requires he be right in some way. That or to have him apologize to his sister and realize that now there's a loa that is ready to be his friend. Actually, you know what nevermind, the second one will be it.

[Sondrelk]

If the writers backtrack, ala Denathrius, on turning Zul'jan into an antagonist beneath the waves of twitter criticism (which is correct for once) and have him hook up with Ula'tek, that pretty much requires he be right in some way. That or to have him apologize to his sister and realize that now there's a loa that is ready to be his friend. Actually, you know what nevermind, the second one will be it.

A possible out for his character could probably be to drag Zul'jin from under the bus at the expense of Malacrass being shoved deeper into the undercarriage, and then have Zul'jan either learn of a new place to colonize. Or more likely, become an ambassador to regain land from Silvermoon (very unlikely, but possible if you put stock in the apologetic colonizer angle)

[Super Dickmann]

A possible out for his character could probably be to drag Zul'jin from under the bus at the expense of Malacrass being shoved deeper into the undercarriage, and then have Zul'jan either learn of a new place to colonize. Or more likely, become an ambassador to regain land from Silvermoon (very unlikely, but possible if you put stock in the apologetic colonizer angle)

A way to have their cake and eat it too would be to have a surviving Jan focus on reconstituting the empire first, i.e in Hinterlands, Arathi and the Eastweald, in a tenuous cold war with Silvermoon. Blizzard would sooner leap off a cliff than write racial conflict, but lip service to a possible future conflict that'll never come is possible for them and it'd let him retain his edge, ala Astalor.

[Khaza-R]

If anything, the Earthen are frustrating because they are nowhere near as fun as Dwarves. Dwarves have fun scottish accents, Earthen are inconsistently robotic. Dwarves live in cool mountain cities. The Earthen live in a weird pit with an inexplicable tower in it.

To be honest, I really like that about them. I think they really delivered on them being non-organic beings. Even if the no-eating thing. I really wish they took that much care with highly unique races like Forsaken or customizations like Darkfallen and Man'ari Eredar.

[Nymrohd]

I really don't mind the Zul'jin/loa angle. I just wish there was a possibility to compromise between the siblings' positions. Jan is absolutely right that the Amani cannot just revert to depending on the Loa just because they have a hash'ey after millenia; they should build power. But that doesn't mean their traditions should just be discarded for power. Also, he is a moron if after a cult roflstomped them he thinks he can take on the armies that will appear the moment he tried to invade Quel'thalas and by the campaign's end, he should know better.

[Sondrelk]

A way to have their cake and eat it too would be to have a surviving Jan focus on reconstituting the empire first, i.e in Hinterlands, Arathi and the Eastweald, in a tenuous cold war with Silvermoon. Blizzard would sooner leap off a cliff than write racial conflict, but lip service to a possible future conflict that'll never come is possible for them and it'd let him retain his edge, ala Astalor.

Very possible for sure. Even more so when you consder the size of Atal'utek. Assuming it's to scale, it's a sizeable chunk of Amani land for him to reclaim without the writers needing to acknowledge the whole "Silvermoon is built on top of land where the Amani buried their most sacred heroes"

[Raetary]

I found it honestly hilarious how i had to console the Rootwarden in the Teldrassil quests, despite playing a Night Elf.

[Nymrohd]

A way to have their cake and eat it too would be to have a surviving Jan focus on reconstituting the empire first, i.e in Hinterlands, Arathi and the Eastweald, in a tenuous cold war with Silvermoon. Blizzard would sooner leap off a cliff than write racial conflict, but lip service to a possible future conflict that'll never come is possible for them and it'd let him retain his edge, ala Astalor.

Given that Zul'aman extends into the sea with islands I think it would absolutely work to have a chain of islands linking it to Hinterlands. Add Puul (Amani shark Loa of Peril) there and have the Amani expand across the east coast

[Sondrelk]

To be honest, I really like that about them. I think they really delivered on them being non-organic beings. Even if the no-eating thing. I really wish they took that much care with highly unique races like Forsaken or customizations like Darkfallen and Man'ari Eredar.

They are neat. It's just the inconsistency that bugs me. Sometimes they act like regular dwarves. Sometimes they are almost cartoonishly robotic. Sometimes they occupy the middle ground where they do normal stuff, but in strange ways.

They lack an overall vision is what I suppose describes them best. There isnt so much a sense that some are more advanced in sentience than others. And more so that each writer were given 2-3 dwarves each, and were only told they are vaguely sentient robots.

[Nymrohd]

I found it honestly hilarious how i had to console the Rootwarden in the Teldrassil quests, despite playing a Night Elf.

At the end of the questline she does say she can't imagine how you must feel or something similar.

[Sondrelk]

I really don't mind the Zul'jin/loa angle. I just wish there was a possibility to compromise between the siblings' positions. Jan is absolutely right that the Amani cannot just revert to depending on the Loa just because they have a hash'ey after millenia; they should build power. But that doesn't mean their traditions should just be discarded for power. Also, he is a moron if after a cult roflstomped them he thinks he can take on the armies that will appear the moment he tried to invade Quel'thalas and by the campaign's end, he should know better.

The story is extremely rushed. We jump almost immediately from Zul'jarra being sceptical of the Loa being able to do anything and it being a waste of time, to accepting the Loa will solve all their problems.

[Nymrohd]

The story is extremely rushed. We jump almost immediately from Zul'jarra being sceptical of the Loa being able to do anything and it being a waste of time, to accepting the Loa will solve all their problems.

I think it didn't even need much help. It would have worked infinitely better if Liadrin was replaced by Talan'ji who could have actually shown what is possible with Loa assistance (maybe manifesting Bwonsamdi to help the Amani in Atal'aman). But even with Liadrin, if Jarra was at least skeptical until they also get Halazzi's help, being very guarded with Akil'zon and only agreeing to keep looking because she felt they were hopeless without outside help.

Heck, don't use Talan'ji since she is not part of the story. Use Rata. She lost her Loa, she uses the Light, she is a troll. She is pretty much built for the part.

[Super Dickmann]

I found it honestly hilarious how i had to console the Rootwarden in the Teldrassil quests, despite playing a Night Elf.

Christ, those sidequests. Here I am, leagues underground, within a pocket dimension inhabited by troglodytes with zero contact with the outside world. it's been an expansion since I last saw a night elf. I walk to my new cave-dwelling na'vi friend. "Hey! How can I help?" I ask. She smirks ear to ear, lifting a baton shaped from night elf forum posts. "My life has been empty without Teldrassil." she intones as she sends me to water roots and pay my respects for the fucking tree. Terrified, I flee up to the surface, only for two weeks later to have Arator break down the doors to my hiding spot.

"Champion, we need the night elves to help reverse the Darkwell. Oh gosh, I hope they can forgive us for the tree."

[Khaza-R]

Christ, those sidequests. Here I am, leagues underground, within a pocket dimension inhabited by troglodytes with zero contact with the outside world. it's been an expansion since I last saw a night elf. I walk to my new cave-dwelling na'vi friend. "Hey! How can I help?" I ask. She smirks ear to ear, lifting a baton shaped from night elf forum posts. "My life has been empty without Teldrassil." she intones as she sends me to water roots and pay my respects for the fucking tree. Terrified, I flee up to the surface, only for two weeks later to have Arator break down the doors to my hiding spot.

"Champion, we need the night elves to help reverse the Darkwell. Oh gosh, I hope they can forgive us for the tree."

And of course, its just so weird we've been so long divorced from the original vanilla lore that Teldrassil is an abomination and a mutant that was born solely out of Fandral's hubris. Yet everyone acts as its something sacred to the Night Elves since time immemorial.

Its like one of those memes of a landlord special where they just painted over a dead roach on the wall. But now the dead roach is a fixture and something people think gives character to the house.

[allegrian]

I found it honestly hilarious how i had to console the Rootwarden in the Teldrassil quests, despite playing a Night Elf.

Imagine doing that as a horde who played the war of thorns.

[Nymrohd]

And of course, its just so weird we've been so long divorced from the original vanilla lore that Teldrassil is an abomination and a mutant that was born solely out of Fandral's hubris. Yet everyone acts as its something sacred to the Night Elves since time immemorial.

Also, they forgot Vordrassil.

[Nymrohd]

Imagine doing that as a horde who played the war of thorns.

I was thinking what faction I'd pick for my Haranir and then did that quest so yeah, it will be Alliance

[Super Dickmann]

Imagine doing that as a horde who played the war of thorns.

I don't need to imagine. It's like with the Eitrigg quest. Hey, man, I see you've sold out. No hard feelings about that whole parading you before the godless masses as they fling shit at you, right?

[allegrian]

I think playing horde must be very hard to immerse yourself in WoW since bfa as nothing makes sense and you're currently questing with the alliance leadership and caring about their "feelings".

That's probably why blizz kinda gave up and they write everything through the alliance player pov, even horde-leaning zones like undermine and Silvermoon.

[Super Dickmann]

And of course, its just so weird we've been so long divorced from the original vanilla lore that Teldrassil is an abomination and a mutant that was born solely out of Fandral's hubris. Yet everyone acts as its something sacred to the Night Elves since time immemorial.

Its like one of those memes of a landlord special where they just painted over a dead roach on the wall. But now the dead roach is a fixture and something people think gives character to the house.

The entire game from BFA on acts like Teldrassil is Nordrassil. It actually makes marginally more sense with the haranir since they just care about the roots wherever they appear so they wouldn't care/know about what's going up, but it doesn't solve how we can't go a single expansion without beating this mule.