Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Skildar]

We don't kill any elves in Magister's Terrace.

We use violence which isn't a great response considering we're talking about Umbric who has a plethora of solutions to provide a swift and peaceful resolve to the matter. They could have gone with this violence is the answer scenario if we were to dupe them first, Umbric letting his hubris get the better of himself would have made more sense honestly.

[Lahis]

Girl if they kill Turalyon and do him dirty like that..... I'm gonna be pissed.

I'll be shocked if this expansion doesn't end with Light themed raid with Turalyon as a boss in it.

[KyleEverett]

I'll be shocked if this expansion doesn't end with Light themed raid with Turalyon as a boss in it.

I think we'll see Void-corrupted Turalyon in 12.1.5 when he pops up after disappearing with the rest of the Vanguard. Free him from the corruption and he tells us Xal's plans.

[THEORACLE64]

Girl if they kill Turalyon and do him dirty like that..... I'm gonna be pissed.

They’ve already done him dirty. He needs to die.

[Nymrohd]

They’ve already done him dirty. He needs to die.

Why? He is remorseful at every point where he should be remorseful. He gets humbled when the Lightbloom happens and the Light goes feral, he is completely embarrassed and disgusted with himself when Arator talks to him and cannot forgive himself even for going berserk back when he lost Lothar. Did you all play the game or just read a script and missed every audio and visual cue?
Turalyon is being set up for a heroic sacrifice, not for going villain. And that depends on what Arator is meant to Redeem; he could well Redeem his parents.

[Sondrelk]

We use violence which isn't a great response considering we're talking about Umbric who has a plethora of solutions to provide a swift and peaceful resolve to the matter. They could have gone with this violence is the answer scenario if we were to dupe them first, Umbric letting his hubris get the better of himself would have made more sense honestly.

We do have a very good reason to be rash in that moment though. Its the opening to the Voidstorm campaign, and its presented like the Void is imminently about to win unless we can get to the Voidstorm and stop them at their base of power.

This isn't a thing where Umbric needs the Cynosure at some point for vague nebulous reasons. He needs them right at this very second, as evidenced by how you get a debuffs at all times in Silvermoon telling you the Sunwell is about to be attacked, and the paladins talking about not having enough energy left to sustain a last defence.

[Jaggler]

We use violence which isn't a great response considering we're talking about Umbric who has a plethora of solutions to provide a swift and peaceful resolve to the matter. They could have gone with this violence is the answer scenario if we were to dupe them first, Umbric letting his hubris get the better of himself would have made more sense honestly.

It's especially stupid on Horde side.

I feel like they could have told a story similar to Dazar'alor, where you got told how an Alliance troop led by Umbric broke into Magister's Terrace and killed it's defenders and almost unleashing the Void unto the terrace, actually playing into that faction tension they want to tell.

[Nymrohd]

We do have a very good reason to be rash in that moment though. Its the opening to the Voidstorm campaign, and its presented like the Void is imminently about to win unless we can get to the Voidstorm and stop them at their base of power.

This isn't a thing where Umbric needs the Cynosure at some point for vague nebulous reasons. He needs them right at this very second, as evidenced by how you get a debuffs at all times in Silvermoon telling you the Sunwell is about to be attacked, and the paladins talking about not having enough energy left to sustain a last defence.

I think in general the expansion launch campaign happens in a very short timeframe.

[Civciv]

I'll be shocked if this expansion doesn't end with Light themed raid with Turalyon as a boss in it.

I fear you're right. They are setting him up for a raid.

[Nymrohd]

I fear you're right. They are setting him up for a raid.

if he was set up for a raid, he would not show uncertainty and remorse. Lothraxion and the Vanguard trio were completely convinced they were right from start to finish. Turalyon wavers constantly in the Eversong storyline.

[Lahis]

It's especially stupid on Horde side.

I feel like they could have told a story similar to Dazar'alor, where you got told how an Alliance troop led by Umbric broke into Magister's Terrace and killed it's defenders and almost unleashing the Void unto the terrace, actually playing into that faction tension they want to tell.

Nobody was killed though.

[Civciv]

if he was set up for a raid, he would not show uncertainty and remorse. Lothraxion and the Vanguard trio were completely convinced they were right from start to finish. Turalyon wavers constantly in the Eversong storyline.

Yeah because he showed remorse in Zul'Aman. And also his remorse is the reason why he kept arguing with Lorthemar about how Light is the only salvation and we must trust in it. I played Midnight campaign aswell and it's not looking good for Turalyon. I love my dilf but he's for sure dying this expansion.

[Nymrohd]

Yeah because he showed remorse in Zul'Aman. And also his remorse is the reason why he kept arguing with Lorthemar about how Light is the only salvation and we must trust in it. I played Midnight campaign aswell and it's not looking good for Turalyon. I love my dilf but he's for sure dying this expansion.

In heroic sacrifice, not as a villain.

[Civciv]

In heroic sacrifice, not as a villain.

Mhmm I hope so.

[Nymrohd]

I honestly don't even see where the narrative space is for a Light raid. The Light is dangerous in abundance or when used by people out of control but we don't have that at this point. Unless a force of Light invades, why would we be fighting them when Xal'atath is right there? It would have made sense if the Arathi showed up for Renilash or the Naaru showed up otherwise, but we are getting more trolls instead. We know the fight vs the Void is supposed to end in Midnight so when exactly are we fighting the Light? Xal clearly went to the Worldcore, not to the Plane of Light or something similar. We might fight Light-based creatures if we seek the Temple of the First Flame but that will be more of temple protections rather than hostile Light. We got hostile Light already with the Lightbloom, Lothraxion and the council fight in Voidspire.

They have absolutely set up the Light as an antagonist. For when the Arathi show up. Why waste it now? Where would they use it now?

[Valysar]

In heroic sacrifice, not as a villain.

That's Sylvanas who will sacrifice herself imo (dont know when)

[Jaggler]

Nobody was killed though.

I know, nobody was killed in the story we have now, i am talking about a hypothetical.

[Highlord Hanibuhl]

Isn't it just better for a character to have the person go through a development and improve itself, rather than dying and being replaced with another rando that gets killed 1 exp later...?


I mean that's the reason people like Arthas and Illidan. The players have experiences those characters go through things and develop themselves.

[Enrif]

. Did you all play the game or just read a script and missed every audio and visual cue?

i feel that so much. A lot of very bad takes on the story so far, on this forum, the official ones, reddit, wherever you go, people absolutely miss the point of the stories, and repeat the takes of others who have more than dubious personal believes that creep into all their comments. And while there are some points that deserve criticism, most of it is just projection of something that is not here.

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The players have experiences those characters go through things and develop themselves.

That's also the reason why people liked Garrosh, Varian, Wrathion, Anduin, Nazgrim, Fordring, Thrall, Jaina, and many more. They had build up on different levels. Yet, most of them started as one note characters people dislikes. Like Varian was extremely disliked when he first appeared, but grew more on people over time. While others get the dislike now, even though their characterisation is faithful to them (anduin for example)

[Civciv]

Isn't it just better for a character to have the person go through a development and improve itself, rather than dying and being replaced with another rando that gets killed 1 exp later...?


I mean that's the reason people like Arthas and Illidan. The players have experiences those characters go through things and develop themselves.

It is better but you know Blizzard... Turalyon has raised so many redflags it's almost certain he'll die. My hope is that he and Alleria survive and retire. They both deserved happiness after so many events.