Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[KOUNTERPARTS]

They aren't even robots. They are golems.

Don't... don't you start that.

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What's the difference? They're both animated constructs. If that's your criteria, the Automa bodies we see from the Eternal Ones Prototypes are just golems. The line of questioning is still the same.

*whoooooooosh*

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I've been attempting to find more information on the gnarldin in Zul'Aman but it looks like (at least so far?) they are just a generic antagonist group? Has there been anything discovered that links them to the djaradin of the Dragon Isles? Being that they share the same model.

[Boomer Thor]

Earth elementals in one place gets turned into giants.

Earth elementals in another place gets turned into giants.

Woah.

[Ersula]

I've been attempting to find more information on the gnarldin in Zul'Aman but it looks like (at least so far?) they are just a generic antagonist group? Has there been anything discovered that links them to the djaradin of the Dragon Isles? Being that they share the same model.

Update: We're never getting away from this topic because Gnarldin are classified as giants & the lore has both classified Fire Giants as both elemental creations & Titan-forged creations.

There is no robot parts involved just world souls as the well soul, and planets as the body’s.

I don't think suffusing means what you think it means. This is about The Jailer, The Eternal Ones & Even Argus being shown to be Automa "suffused" with worldsouls in the Zereth Mortis campaign & everyone in this thread pretending it didn't happen.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Update: We're never getting away from this topic because Gnarldin are classified as giants & the lore has both classified Fire Giants as both elemental creations & Titan-forged creations.

6 degrees of separation and all that. Which begs the question: are they also robotic?

[milkmustache]

I've been attempting to find more information on the gnarldin in Zul'Aman but it looks like (at least so far?) they are just a generic antagonist group? Has there been anything discovered that links them to the djaradin of the Dragon Isles? Being that they share the same model.

If I remember correctly, there's a side quest in the Gnarldin zone near the temple of Halazzi that mentions the Gnarldin "arriving". There's no time frame on how recent that is, nor does it seem to come up elsewhere.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Earth elementals in one place gets turned into giants.

Earth elementals in another place gets turned into giants.

Woah.

Even bigger *woooooooooosh*

[Joshuaj]

I mean, there is probably a link to them, yeah lol. Do people think otherwise?

[Boomer Thor]

A robot made of rocks is still a robot same with trees

[Joshuaj]

They're both likely elemental half-giants that went through different evolution processes.

[milkmustache]

I mean, there is probably a link to them, yeah lol. Do people think otherwise?

You'd think so, but then again we had the Dragon Isles centaur, who evolved as such completely unrelated to the original centaur we've known.

[Joshuaj]

A robot made of rocks is still a robot same with trees

That's not a robot. That's a construct. Not all constructs are robots.

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You'd think so, but then again we had the Dragon Isles centaur, who evolved as such completely unrelated to the original centaur we've known.

I mean, they might have different origins, but they're still the same race at the end of the day. The same likely applies to the Gnarldin and Djaradin.

[Ersula]

A robot made of rocks is still a robot same with trees

The point wasn't what makes a robot. The point was they we see them shove a titan worldsoul into an automa body & it turns back into a Titan. That happened. It happens right before they turn Pelegos into the new arbiter.

We can even parse that Mortal Soul + Helm of Domination + Automa Body = Eternal One = Titan

And we can use this to predict what Xal'atath is actually doing. (She's the titular "Last Titan")

[Lahis]

The Titan Keepers were made using unique minerals from Azeroth's landscape. And even then, they were made with emotions, ideals, etc, much like their progenitors (The Titans, not the First Ones).

We resurrected Tyr by building him a new body and downloading a memory backup into it. That is a robot.

[Boomer Thor]

Even bigger *woooooooooosh*

Could you quit acting rude?

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Could you quit acting rude?

If you don't like the sarcastic replies you're getting, quit making them yourself? Thanks!

[Aucald]

I've been attempting to find more information on the gnarldin in Zul'Aman but it looks like (at least so far?) they are just a generic antagonist group? Has there been anything discovered that links them to the djaradin of the Dragon Isles? Being that they share the same model.

Given the shared model, the similar names, and the fact that gnarldin, like the djaradin, also lived/live in caves, it seems to pretty strongly imply the two races share a common origin. The quest "The Path of the Amani" relates that the gnarldin once inhabited "the caves to the north" before the Twilight's Blade displaced them.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

You'd think so, but then again we had the Dragon Isles centaur, who evolved as such completely unrelated to the original centaur we've known.

I was thinking about this, as the choice for a half-giant model with the similar naming convention (djaradin/gnarldin) seemed too on the nose to be a coincidence.

And, I liked the concept of the djaradin so here's to hoping.

[Joshuaj]

We resurrected Tyr by building him a new body and downloading a memory backup into it. That is a robot.

Robots are namely technological machines. The Keepers aren't robots by definition. Also, the memory stuff was done VIA magic.

[DenPhoenix]

Hmm, since everyone here has been talking about the Titans all day, I’d like to bring up an interesting topic related to them.

Since Mists of Pandaria we’ve known that Azeroth is the Last Titan.

But about a two month ago I found these lines from Aman’Thul (https://youtu.be/j4K0goEXEcs?si=uTEz6cPCEHp3FQtt) that never actually appeared in the game. They were most likely written under the assumption that we would receive loot chest in the Seat of the Pantheon, rather than on the Vindicaar.

At 0:30 he refers to Azeroth as the Final Titan.

And in another line(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ovHZiCipWM) tied to the Argus fight — at 1:07, if we lose — he calls Azeroth the Final Titan again.

So why Final Titan specifically? The Final for some particular purpose?

[Joshuaj]

Okay, I will say this, when we finalize giving Tyr his memories back, the magics displayed in the beam look Progenitor-like, with white patterns, etc. I imagine this could help people's "First Ones are the Titans" theories, but I feel this only furthers my idea that all forms of structure originate from Order, especially regarding the Progenitors magics, which are essential for any and all forms of creation.