Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Limayria]

Shadowlands Remix Will be an error if exists

2/3 remixes has been the most beloved xpac, and SL is not one of them, Woltk yes

Who cares, shadowlands much like WoD and cata were hated because of content release cadence (and in SL case real world events) not the game design of zones themselves or quality of raids and dungeons which is generally considered decent at least from what I remember not to mention the sheer number of collectables if they added covenant agnostic versions of everything

[Pyrophax]

Shadowlands Remix Will be an error if exists

2/3 remixes has been the most beloved xpac, and SL is not one of them, Woltk yes

WotLK is like 15 years old. And by that I mean cosmetics are low-quality and mostly farmed already. Same with mounts, especially after event with +5% drop chances.

SL as fast as usual Remixes are awesome feature. There is too much stuff to farm, with progenitor crafts, covenants, Maw and Torgast.
Another strong contenders are BfA and WoD, but I prefer SL for Remix.

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Who cares, shadowlands much like WoD and cata were hated because of content release cadence (and in SL case real world events) not the game design of zones themselves or quality of raids and dungeons which is generally considered decent at least from what I remember not to mention the sheer number of collectables if they added covenant agnostic versions of everything

Yes, I mean just that.

[Raetary]

Shadowlands Remix Will be an error if exists

2/3 remixes has been the most beloved xpac, and SL is not one of them, Woltk yes

Who gives a fuck?

With the amount of cosmetics SL expansion has, and the circumvention of Anima with Bronze, nobody will care.

[Limayria]

WotLK is like 15 years old. And by that I mean cosmetics are low-quality and mostly farmed already. Same with mounts, especially after event with +5% drop chances.

SL as fast as usual Remixes are awesome feature. There is too much stuff to farm, with progenitor crafts, covenants, Maw and Torgast.
Another strong contenders are BfA and WoD, but I prefer SL for Remix.

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Yes, I mean just that.

I still think that if we get wod remix it'll be added onto a rerun of mop remix


Though I also think bfa might be next up

So we go BFA -> mop rerun + WoD -> shadowlands -> legion rerun (+TBC potentially?) -> maybe df? In my mind dflight would include Cata in its rerun


Though I'm assuming that the rerun remixes will be used to shore up the expacs that don't have enough stuff to solo carry a remix like WoD or the OGs which would be lacking in desirable stuff to grab, and the handful of things that would make good carrots (invincible/mims head/firelands mount/ashes) have been extremely farmable for a long time + we had collectors bounty

[Hearthfinder]

I dislike Shadowlands but would accept a speedy version for cosmetics. Regular WoW is still there so it's not like we're stuck in that depressive hellscape this time around..

That said, WoD Remix is the one we really need. Epic questing combined with a chance for Blizzard to improve the endgame grind. Maybe Tanaan Jungle and Ashran could be expanded upon? New events in the other zones?

Maybe it would be weird to do MoP -> Legion -> WoD though.

WotLK cosmetics look ancient at this point, but maybe they can stick some Shadowlands gear in there?

Battle for Azeroth is another good candidate imo. It's been long enough at this point, and the expansion is frigging stellar. Azerite gear can be fixed and incorporated into Remix progression, and I bet there's a buttload of cool stuff from Nazjatar and Mechagon people never unlocked.

It ties well into a potential Xal'atath / N'Zoth finale in 12.2 as well, given that's when she was released from the blade and he was possibly stored within it.

Also a great way to reintroduce Silithus and the sword in time for TLT.

[Raetary]

Problem with WoD is that most of its content centers on the Garrison and the mission table, which would have to be skipped for a Remix.
It has basically little to no outdoor content, and even the instanced content is lacking with only 8 dungeons and 3 raids, even if their quality is good.

Sure, there are a bunch of bonus Objectives that can be turned into WQs, and they can simply add keystones to the dungeons, but i don't think that really makes up for the lack of everything else.

I also don't know whether people would be really thrilled to run a bunch of Apexis crystal dailies again.
It's was just immensely grindy.

[Auxis]

Maybe it would be weird to do MoP -> Legion -> WoD though.

IDEK the story logic behind Eternus taking us to Pandaria, then Legion.

IIRC the MoP Remix explanation was "Witnessing what led us here", and Legion was "Witnessing where it all started to go down hill.", and just.. completely missed this gap expansion where the actual transition occurred? Maybe the logic is that because it's actually an issue stemming from timeline manipulation so it should be discounted?

[Enrif]

simple solution: WRATH Remix that allows to get SL cosmetics

[Limayria]

IDEK the story logic behind Eternus taking us to Pandaria, then Legion.

IIRC the MoP Remix explanation was "Witnessing what led us here", and Legion was "Witnessing where it all started to go down hill.", and just.. completely missed this gap expansion where the actual transition occurred? Maybe the logic is that because it's actually an issue stemming from timeline manipulation so it should be discounted?

I think the legion remix was actually studying the ways the time lines could go wrong, hence why it unravels at the end and seeing what we can learn from that, as well as the infinites studying artifacts


Which tbh a villain showing up as a legion era orderhall leader, champions and artifact included would be pretty neat, maybe a tease or what we're gonna face in the future hopefully

[Hearthfinder]

Imagine all the new Decor they would lock behind Garrison progress, though. Themed around Draenor clans, Draenei, the Iron Horde, Ogres, Botani, etc. Alliance and Horde, also.

[Sondrelk]

Imagine all the new Decor they would lock behind Garrison progress, though. Themed around Draenor clans, Draenei, the Iron Horde, Ogres, Botani, etc. Alliance and Horde, also.

That doesnt mean much when there isnt actually any content in which to unlock it from.

[Limayria]

That doesnt mean much when there isnt actually any content in which to unlock it from.

Tbh moving into a mode centered around clearing the map of quest for a WoD remix would also be a good way to lean into its strengths with out having to create wholely new things to do, just change the reward structure to center around the queatlines and maybe bring back the legendary quest line?

[Hearthfinder]

That doesnt mean much when there isnt actually any content in which to unlock it from.

They could add content, not sure what the problem is.

For example a common complaint with Mission tables was that you didn't go out into the world to complete the missions by yourself. This could be amended by adding a bunch of quests,, Prey-like Bounties etc.

[Sondrelk]

They could add content, not sure what the problem is.

For example a common complaint with Mission tables was that you didn't go out into the world to complete the missions by yourself. This could be amended by adding a bunch of quests,, Prey-like Bounties etc.

That's a whole new level of effort put into it though. This isnt just "add keystones", or "raids done daily". You are asking for actual new custom content made solely to make WoD Remix actually decent, when they could just have SL or BfA Remix, which only needs very minor tweaks to be great.

WoD Remix makes more sense if we consider the Remix experiment effectively over, and it becomes something you do during regular WoD Timewalking. Not when it's a hugely anticipated event that is expected to have a lifetime of 2-3 months.

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Tbh moving into a mode centered around clearing the map of quest for a WoD remix would also be a good way to lean into its strengths with out having to create wholely new things to do, just change the reward structure to center around the queatlines and maybe bring back the legendary quest line?

The WoD legendary questline is nice, and a good thing to bring back. But in the context of Remix, it isnt actually all that interesting. You have a very small handful of quests, and besides that the actual "legendary" bit of the questline will be the raids, which you could probably easily knock out in a week or less. And the rewards, which don't matter.

[Limayria]

That's a whole new level of effort put into it though. This isnt just "add keystones", or "raids done daily". You are asking for actual new custom content made solely to make WoD Remix actually decent, when they could just have SL or BfA Remix, which only needs very minor tweaks to be great.

WoD Remix makes more sense if we consider the Remix experiment effectively over, and it becomes something you do during regular WoD Timewalking. Not when it's a hugely anticipated event that is expected to have a lifetime of 2-3 months.

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The WoD legendary questline is nice, and a good thing to bring back. But in the context of Remix, it isnt actually all that interesting. You have a very small handful of quests, and besides that the actual "legendary" bit of the questline will be the raids, which you could probably easily knock out in a week or less. And the rewards, which don't matter.

Yeah, I assume they'd be tweaking the heroic world tier scaling and reward structures to help make the questing expierence more meaty but idk

Remix is never going to be that interesting to me because so many players just want it to be a mode where u press w through old content and one shot everything and have rewards rained on you


Basically just "what it you did exactly what you do to solo old raids how but faster and more rewards" where as I've had hope for remix as a more arpg focused take on the wow game play loop, which is another reason I'm hoping for BFA or Slands because islands/torghast would be an ideal version of content for remix, as would delves once we get there lol


I'm sure part of my desire for such content is that I'm a dh main forever and dh has a lot of mechanics which feel designed for wow with a more arpg focus, like the soul mechanics, the innate life steal, the enhanced crit scaling etc especially playing Aldratchi Havoc, where even doing normal world content makes the spec feel literally 10x better to play due to soul economy improvements, lemix did have some hype moments for this like soloing the infernal world bosses


Honestly I think my ideal would be taking islands but having them work like the abundance event does currently, instead of competing to reach a specific score first you're seeing how high you get the score each round


Islands also give you a nice variety of scattered power ups/special map effects along with biome and enemy variety but tbh they could take the torghast style of smashing tile sets together and just add a bunch of extra tile sets too it too

[Hearthfinder]

That's a whole new level of effort put into it though. This isnt just "add keystones", or "raids done daily". You are asking for actual new custom content made solely to make WoD Remix actually decent, when they could just have SL or BfA Remix, which only needs very minor tweaks to be great.

WoD Remix makes more sense if we consider the Remix experiment effectively over, and it becomes something you do during regular WoD Timewalking. Not when it's a hugely anticipated event that is expected to have a lifetime of 2-3 months.

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The WoD legendary questline is nice, and a good thing to bring back. But in the context of Remix, it isnt actually all that interesting. You have a very small handful of quests, and besides that the actual "legendary" bit of the questline will be the raids, which you could probably easily knock out in a week or less. And the rewards, which don't matter.

Might be worth the effort, though. I think they could run a very successful marketing campaign based on testosterone alone. Tough warlords all over again. Hunt down beasts in a primeval setting. Fight for dominance in the wilds of Tanaan.

[Joshuaj]

Death Knights don't have anything to do with Midnight specifically, but are just a generally interesting threat that could be slotted in here. The lore is that all Death Knights must be members of the Ebon Blade, or else they are declared rogue Death Knights and will be hunted down. Except the game hardly ever depicted these dangerous rogue death knights. So it's neat that we finally get to see a couple, though here it's not Knights of the Ebon Blade doing their duty and hunting them down but a creepy wizard from some country.

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It has a head that looks like a webcam, and the limbs look like industrial robot arms.

Sure, but unlike the real life examples used, do the insides of Halondrus's metals consist of technology, magic, even more metals, or a fusion of factors (Like magic + metal, or magic + tech, etc)? It's most likely the latter, but the question is, what would the specific fusion be?

[allegrian]

The only major caveat is that the Shadowlands continent instance does not mesh well with the now popular dragonriding gameplay.

It'd say that was already massively unpopular with the old flying or even during the ground-mount only phase.

Shadowlands was truly horrible in EVERYTHING.

In a remix they can just put portals in the city like we have now with Harandar and Voidstorm.

[Lahis]

It'd say that was already massively unpopular with the old flying or even during the ground-mount only phase.

Shadowlands was truly horrible in EVERYTHING.

In a remix they can just put portals in the city like we have now with Harandar and Voidstorm.

They should let us fly into the zone portals to be transferred into the zones.

[Ersula]

Shadowlands Remix Will be an error if exists

2/3 remixes has been the most beloved xpac, and SL is not one of them, Woltk yes

It's not any differnet than flying around segregated zones like Harandar & Voidstorm.

I would just combine classic/TBC/Wrath into one single Remix event. They'll probably repurpose the China-only realm tech for that.

The Emerald Dream is Azeroth's dream reflection that's linked to the Domain of Life, which isn't fully structured by nature. The Titans structured Azeroth's dream reflection though, likely to further their hold on the worldsoul, especially by binding and using the other influences against it.

The Shadowlands is a cosmic domain, with its functionalities spanning the Dark Beyond in its entirety. It's the domain of Death, and Death's influence is one of the structured influences, so therefore the Shadowlands is structured by nature. However, we don't know why it's structured the way it is.

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I understand what you're saying with everything else though. That would've been a neat way to go about the First Ones, yeah.

If the Titan's were lying about the Emerald Dream just containing a copy of Azeroth why are you assuming they didn't also lie about how much personal influence they had over it?