Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[elderu]

Given the K'areshi Brokers time in the Shadowlands, Tazavesh was likely made as both a trade city and a type of Afterlife, especially when it's within the Shadowlands. There are likely some Brokers that aren't naturally K'areshi

For a guy who acts like lore-police and accuses others of headcanon, this is a lot of 'source? i made it up'.

I think y'all heavily overestimate just how developed TWW was pre-Worldsoul Saga suggestion LMAO

And to your intentionally untagged quote, what is this other than rage-bait? 'Let me make up something and laugh as if it were true.'
Discuss the proposition instead maybe? If you're the god of knowledge, why gatekeep? Idk man!

[Joshuaj]

For a guy who acts like lore-police and accuses others of headcanon, this is a lot of 'source? i made it up'.


And to your intentionally untagged quote, what is this other than rage-bait? 'Let me make up something and laugh as if it were true.'
Discuss the proposition instead maybe? If you're the god of knowledge, why gatekeep? Idk man!

I said "likely". Likely is not absolute. There is a good chance of it possibly being the case though. However, do note I did discuss other possibilities regarding that Tazavesh line in Undermine, possibilities that aren't "lol they changed it last second", cause I feel like that's just a silly cop-out excuse, especially regarding TWW's PATCH content, which is usually done later in the expansions development cycle.

Also, regarding TWW's development, we know an early version of Harandar was planned, but it was much smaller, and the movement of it being from 11.0 to 12.0 was also apparently done rather early on.

And that's not even taking into account how far into development dialogue usually takes LMAO

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I mean, if you wanna argue back, argue back. There is no need to attack without purpose.

[extasy]

At the end of the day i don't really care that much about Harandar being moved from TWW to midnight. What i care about is that zone is absolute dumpster fire garbage. Eversong And zul'aman carry this expansion so hard its unreal. (Voidstorm is decent)

I'm glad we hopefully won't have these "moved" zone discussions in TLT as its entirely set on northrend in 13.0

[Limayria]

At the end of the day i don't really care that much about Harandar being moved from TWW to midnight. What i care about is that zone is absolute dumpster fire garbage. Eversong And zul'aman carry this expansion so hard its unreal. (Voidstorm is decent)

I'm glad we hopefully won't have these "moved" zone discussions in TLT as its entirely set on northrend in 13.0

yeah its a really weird thing to keep going off on, I dont even think Harandar is that bad of a zone overall but I have eversong = voidstorm > harandar = Zul'aman


I like the kinda more peaceful chill vibe of Harandar, it feels like old school zangramarsh or Sholozar basin tbh where a lot of the quest are about learning these local people and whats going on with them and their history and stuff

I did like the tortolloan side quest in zulaman though! and the stuff about the Loa is cool and I like the buffs you get from the loa shrines and side quest and such

though Zulaman was destined to be the worst zone in the expansion because the amani are just so unlikeable as a culture "we have to murder and eat civilians because this land is our birthright! of course no troll has lived there for literally over 5000 year but still"

like to give you an idea of the time scale, from today to 5000 years ago would be early bronze age, the dawn of civilization and the start of proto-writing

so its kinda hard to say "idk they had a point" about any form of amani agression anywhere even close to the modern time frame because its purely imperalist wars of conquest that they often lose before they even start

you even see amani settlements in quelthalas during the tbc questing experience but people talk about the elves as colonizers lul

[Joshuaj]

Harandar is rather inoffensive tbh. It's beautiful, the Haranir are okay, and overall it provides some really cool lore that further hints at Life, Order, and Shadow's lengthy struggle for the Worldsoul.

[Jastall]

At the end of the day i don't really care that much about Harandar being moved from TWW to midnight. What i care about is that zone is absolute dumpster fire garbage. Eversong And zul'aman carry this expansion so hard its unreal. (Voidstorm is decent)

I'm glad we hopefully won't have these "moved" zone discussions in TLT as its entirely set on northrend in 13.0

Voidstorm carries the story a lot harder than any other zone IMO. Eversong is beautiful and all but its story is entirely pedestrian (admittedly I'm also unfazed by Blood Elf asthetics). I much prefer the vibes of Zul'aman, and while unspectacular the story there avoids the worst of Blizzard's writing pitfalls at the very least. Voidstorm aesthetically isn't the best but is redeemed by the expansion's best lore by far.

Harandar is there. It's not ugly per se but I find that nothing in it stands out. The story exists but I was uninterested in it at best. I have desire to go back to it, the way I want to go back to ZA or Voidstorm, or in TWW how I wanted to go back to Hallowfall or Ringing Deeps.

[Cheezits]

I'm glad we hopefully won't have these "moved" zone discussions in TLT as its entirely set on northrend in 13.0

Still a large chance the Worldcore isn't visited until TLT, which will prompt this kind of discussion again, but it could appear in Midnight.

[Khaza-R]

I'm glad we hopefully won't have these "moved" zone discussions in TLT as its entirely set on northrend in 13.0

TLT just has so much going on. There's no way we visit or touch on it all. Harrowsdeep, Elunaria, Worldcore, Silithus

People are absolutely going to complain something got missed

[ro9ue]

TLT will probably focus a lot on Forge of Wills and Engine of the Makers. And the Dragonshrines/Bronze time stuff/Hour of Twilight.

[Joshuaj]

TLT will probably focus a lot on Forge of Wills and Engine of the Makers. And the Dragonshrines/Bronze time stuff/Hour of Twilight.

Hopefully. Would love to see a reveal of the Titans using these engines to further the will of Order on Azeroth.

[Limayria]

TLT just has so much going on. There's no way we visit or touch on it all. Harrowsdeep, Elunaria, Worldcore, Silithus

People are absolutely going to complain something got missed

Why are people expecting Elunaria in TLT? Did I miss something

[whoisqnx]

If we get atleast one scourge themed Delve in TLT I will be the happiest. Also,a vrykul raid would go really hard, even if its a small one.

[Khaza-R]

Why are people expecting Elunaria in TLT? Did I miss something

Well I don't think Elunaria per say but I think people are expecting a strong arc with Eonar. It would wrap up the Elun'ahir/worldtree story. But back to your point, no I don't think anything supports any of that

[Joshuaj]

I'd be shocked if TLT didn't at least mention an Order Realm, ya know?

[NikolaiShade]

TLT just has so much going on. There's no way we visit or touch on it all. Harrowsdeep, Elunaria, Worldcore, Silithus

People are absolutely going to complain something got missed

my TLT lore wishlist is much shorter... it is just Erinethria and her brood...

[Pheraz]

After karesh I didn't thought a second void zone could create any urge to be in it, but I'm surprised to really really like void storm. Especially with many void elf characters but also with other races. The story is nice and somehow the vibe is super cool. I think I even heard an electric guitar in the music

[Lady Atia]

After karesh I didn't thought a second void zone could create any urge to be in it, but I'm surprised to really really like void storm. Especially with many void elf characters but also with other races. The story is nice and somehow the vibe is super cool. I think I even heard an electric guitar in the music

It surely helps that the zone gives the Void Elves their time to shine, after their ..... interesting creation in BFA, which surely triggered people back than, and their initial absence in the actual world (besides Alleria and one questline with Umbric in BfA) on top of the change to give them high elf stuff which while cool, basically overshadowed their whole void part.

On top of that you have the Nethersent Draenei and the pvp area there for max level content. So in that case, gameplay carries the zone. Zul Aman on the other hand is a really nice zone but barely has any relevant gameplay to it besides the level up campaign and a few cute side quests, aswell as the initial cuteness of the loa every time they appear for the first time.

[Hearthfinder]

On a different note, I really hope we get a proper underwater zone again soon.

Vashj'ir is still such a unique experience, all these years later. They voyage into the unknown, beginning with the rather silly and sunlit expedition across the sea from Stormwind Harbor, taking us through the colourful kelp forests before descending deeper and deeper below.

Nazjatar was good as well, but there's just something about being submerged that worked so well in Vashj'ir.

Maybe they could do something akin to Gungan City in Star Wars, with large pockets of air? I know a lot of people dislike the swimming.

[Limayria]

my TLT lore wishlist is much shorter... it is just Erinethria and her brood...

I'm hoping there's a big presence of life on avaloran and that Erinethria and her brood ended up there, potential even an actual offshoot of "not nelves" who left harandir through the dream and reconnected with Elune with the help of the dragons

[Lady Atia]

On a different note, I really hope we get a proper underwater zone again soon.

Vashj'ir is still such a unique experience, all these years later. They voyage into the unknown, beginning with the rather silly and sunlit expedition across the sea from Stormwind Harbor, taking us through the colourful kelp forests before descending deeper and deeper below.

Nazjatar was good as well, but there's just something about being submerged that worked so well in Vashj'ir.

Maybe they could do something akin to Gungan City in Star Wars, with large pockets of air? I know a lot of people dislike the swimming.

The problem is - literally no one liked Vash'jir, especially not during Cataclysm. And that hasn't changed, if you look at the "underwater" delve from TWW. WoW's engine just isn't build around swimming - and I'm actually surprised we get the weird fishing mole event next patch (although that one may have been developed early around the same time as the underwater delve, for all we know, and just pushed further back since initially, it was on the midnight alpha already).