Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Kiria]

Imagine if we all have to eat crow before Teriz.

Speaking of, where is he? He was a chill dude to chat with

[Nymrohd]

Speaking of, where is he? He was a chill dude to chat with

Yes but when he shows up, all the people who are compelled to argue with any opinion he has also show up

[Cheezits]

Teriz is taking a well-deserved vacation in certain other threads because he rekt everyone with the correct Augmentation guesses.

[Santandame]

Teriz is fine. He’s just passionate about his theories but at least he’s open to discussion. He’s nowhere near as bad as a lot of people make out.

Back on topic, I’m getting increasingly excited for the prospect of a true South Seas expansion. I’d be lying if i said I wouldn’t prefer to see both Tel’Abim and Undermine fleshed out and expanded to be the main setting of their own expansions but I’d also be buzzing to see them as zones in the South Seas.

[Cheezits]

A point against an island expansion: the cup icon for the Kul Tiras/Zandalar dragon races is called Great Sea Islands. Unless they are retconning the name to just mean that area, wouldn't South Seas islands ALSO be called Great Sea Islands, because the Great Sea encompasses all the water on Azeroth?

[milkmustache]

Undermine, Tel'Abim and South Seas mentions in the same expansion is sussy. Per Chronicle, Kezan/Undermine is basically next to it.

Pair that with our Seafarer's Pack, Forbidden Reach clues (Azshara/Naga, Nightsquall), and Avaloren hints, setting sail must be inevitable.

I don't necessarily agree with the idea that this means pirates will take the forefront, but I do agree with the "New World" voyage and exploration idea. I hope that we continue with the Dragonscale Expedition format, maybe a more permanent neutrality group. A new continent/side of the world could be a cool opportunity for the factions to build in an area without old wounds. Of course, one would assume at the expense of whatever inhabitants are already there, Odyn's heretics.

A point against an island expansion: the cup icon for the Kul Tiras/Zandalar dragon races is called Great Sea Islands. Unless they are retconning the name to just mean that area, wouldn't South Seas islands ALSO be called Great Sea Islands, because the Great Sea encompasses all the water on Azeroth?

I believe in the Great Sea is east of the Maelstrom, west of Azeroth, and the South Sea being between Kalimdor and Pandaria

[Catastrophy349]

So, I have a "slightly on topic/off topic" question I would like to speculate with everyone on: What will the campaign of 10.2 entail? Like, what will be the focus? What do y'all think we will be doing and what will it all lead up to?

[Cheezits]

I believe in the Great Sea is east of the Maelstrom, west of Azeroth, and the South Sea being between Kalimdor and Pandaria

Yeah nevermind, I think Wowpedia got it wrong. It says it includes East Kalimdor but I don't think that's right looking at the map.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wo...20180328215952

I can't see Avaloren and Khaz Algar being down there, so I'm still gunning for South Seas + other islands (Nightsquall book specifically mentions the storms west of Kalimdor).

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So, I have a "slightly on topic/off topic" question I would like to speculate with everyone on: What will the campaign of 10.2 entail? Like, what will be the focus? What do y'all think we will be doing and what will it all lead up to?

Final protection of the Dream questline (stomping out any remaining Nightmare/Void, Druids of the Flame, and Primalists) and eventually setting up Amridrassil to bloom in Azeroth. Maybe have Elune and Freya show up to confirm some things about the Dream/Lifelands.

[Raetary]

and Freya show up

If they remember her existence that is.

[Cheezits]

If they remember her existence that is.

She just showed up in Ulderoth/Time Rifts.

[Raetary]

She just showed up in Ulderoth/Time Rifts.

That just makes it worse.

I just find it wild how much lore they added to her with the chronicles and artifacts, yet her first appearance in-game outside of Ulduar is 14 years later in an arbitrary world event where she doesn't actually appear, as it's a weird anomalous AU version of her.

[Luck4]

The perfect music if finally happens:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhrxGCMzRL0 (Shaping of the world - WoW OST)

Dude, I love the Shaping of the World.

Shaping of the World is among my favorite songs across all WoW expansions and Warcraft 3. The only ones that surpass it for me are the Anduin epic arrangement song from Legion and the Human soundtrack from Warcraft 3.

[Cheezits]

That just makes it worse.

I just find it wild how much lore they added to her with the chronicles and artifacts, yet her first appearance in-game outside of Ulduar is 14 years later in an arbitrary world event where she doesn't actually appear, as it's a weird anomalous AU version of her.

Probably because the Dream has been in a nightmare (no pun intended) lore zone thanks to their EPIC ELUNE PLANS and they've been incredibly cagey about it outside of launch Legion. See how they handled Elune and Eonars connection.

[MrGMYT]

Streamer privilege be like https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/16...718385934?s=20

huge leak. I'm sorry

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Teriz is fine. He’s just passionate about his theories but at least he’s open to discussion. He’s nowhere near as bad as a lot of people make out.

Back on topic, I’m getting increasingly excited for the prospect of a true South Seas expansion. I’d be lying if i said I wouldn’t prefer to see both Tel’Abim and Undermine fleshed out and expanded to be the main setting of their own expansions but I’d also be buzzing to see them as zones in the South Seas.

Teriz is taking a well-deserved vacation in certain other threads because he rekt everyone with the correct Augmentation guesses.

Yes but when he shows up, all the people who are compelled to argue with any opinion he has also show up

Honestly, I think people are a tad too harsh on him. He's obsessive and repetitive, but much of what he says is technically right. He was entirely right about the Augmentation thing and all the evidence pointed to him being right from the get-go, and I think he has a point about Tinkers being an effectively perpetually probable contender for a new class if not for the lack of viable expansion themes for them. His repetitive tendency annoys people to an extent they fail to lend him due credit even under circumstances where it's likely he's right; add to that, for all his reputation, it's as much the fault of those who argue ad nauseam with him about the topic that Tinker arguments go on for so long.

Pair that with our Seafarer's Pack, Forbidden Reach clues (Azshara/Naga, Nightsquall), and Avaloren hints, setting sail must be inevitable.

I don't necessarily agree with the idea that this means pirates will take the forefront, but I do agree with the "New World" voyage and exploration idea. I hope that we continue with the Dragonscale Expedition format, maybe a more permanent neutrality group. A new continent/side of the world could be a cool opportunity for the factions to build in an area without old wounds. Of course, one would assume at the expense of whatever inhabitants are already there, Odyn's heretics.

I'm thinking pirates will be involved, but may not be a central enemy except as an early, 11.0-era threat. I figure that there will be an overarching colonial theme, with a Scarlet order-state or colony winding up in competition with one likely sponsored by Kul Tiras (given that the color scheme of the colonial guard armor and diplomat set looks pretty cohesive with the Kul Tiran color scheme).

[Catastrophy349]

huge leak. I'm sorry

Haha. I posted this to troll people, don't worry <3 No one in their right mind can think this is real. Love you!

[micwini]

huge leak. I'm sorry

No joke, if we're actually going to emerald dream, I do hope they have those type of trees in there.

[Cheezits]

No joke, if we're actually going to emerald dream, I do hope they have those type of trees in there.

I think it definitely will have flying foliage like the original because of dragonriding, and plenty of the swirls on the ground as well (Ardenweald has them too)

It will be interesting if they go full on Lifelands wackiness in the Dream or if they reign it in and keep to titanic/dragon stuff. So far it doesn't look like the next mount is a Fae Dragon, but...

I'm expecting a new fox (bigger) or rabbit race to appear.

[milkmustache]

I figure that there will be an overarching colonial theme, with a Scarlet order-state or colony winding up in competition with one likely sponsored by Kul Tiras (given that the color scheme of the colonial guard armor and diplomat set looks pretty cohesive with the Kul Tiran color scheme).

I would absolutely love for this to be the case. It wouldn't be the first time the Scarlets have made a grand expedition. Given the possibility for something void (or in turn, light) related on the opposite side of the planet, it's very possible for the Scarlets to shift towards anti-void zealotry. It would also track with Blizzard reintroducing older races/groups for modern stories (Tuskarr, Gnolls, Centaur, etc.).

[MrGMYT]

No joke, if we're actually going to emerald dream, I do hope they have those type of trees in there.

That's my hope too! Would be a nice callback to the development map from Vanilla