Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[allegrian]

No, because TLT (and DF, and SL if you squint) set up the "Titans aren't great" plotline. And Xal probably went to the Worldcore which again is part of TWW lore.

This week's Haranir quest also implies that Elun'ahir may have been real after all.

What do you mean with this week's haranir quest? Aren't the weekly haranir event quests chosen by the player from a pool of choices? I only did it once.

[Nymrohd]

Wrath of the Lich King set up the "Titans aren't great" plotline.

I'll never understand how that was in contention. Algalon directly tells us he wiped up innumerable civilizations. And not one of those was in danger of becoming a Void Titan or anything because we know they never found another world soul so they gave the order just because the experiment went of their desired parameters.
I get that they were pleasant back when we found them in Antorus but really apart from Magni keep acting as if world souls are little kids, nothing made them sympathetic.

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What do you mean with this week's haranir quest? Aren't the weekly haranir event quests chosen by the player from a pool of choices? I only did it once.

There is a parallel questline running as you clear more of the weekly ones. This week we had a questline to unlock the sixth relic and next week we get another questline to unlock the seventh relic (And that questline also leads to the Dreamrift raid which btw also should have had a story mode?) It's tied to the Empty Cradle achievement. This week we found out that Orweyna is not particularly unique and that across time many Haranir left Harandar seeking the Goddess.

[DemonHunter18]

I'll never understand how that was in contention. Algalon directly tells us he wiped up innumerable civilizations. And not one of those was in danger of becoming a Void Titan or anything because we know they never found another world soul so they gave the order just because the experiment went of their desired parameters.
I get that they were pleasant back when we found them in Antorus but really apart from Magni keep acting as if world souls are little kids, nothing made them sympathetic.

Void Titan wasn't even a thing back then. It was more about if planet had some sort of corruption and stuff. Either way, they were more like Marvel Celestials. Not bad but not good either (though the writers did call them benevolent back then), don't have emotions like mortals and served Order as a concept.

Now since Order is just a magic school they are just obsessed brats over it which is pretty much like every single Cosmic shit tbh.

[Super Dickmann]

I'll never understand how that was in contention. Algalon directly tells us he wiped up innumerable civilizations. And not one of those was in danger of becoming a Void Titan or anything because we know they never found another world soul so they gave the order just because the experiment went of their desired parameters.
I get that they were pleasant back when we found them in Antorus but really apart from Magni keep acting as if world souls are little kids, nothing made them sympathetic.

Legion's titan portrayal and its consequences have been a disaster for the World (of Warcraft).

[Cheezits]

What do you mean with this week's haranir quest? Aren't the weekly haranir event quests chosen by the player from a pool of choices? I only did it once.

What Nymrohd said, but specifically this week is also about a staff made out of magic roots "from roots that are no longer here".

[Nymrohd]

What Nymrohd said, but specifically this week is also about a staff made out of magic roots "from roots that are no longer here".

We'll learn more next week when we actually see the past of the staff

[Thros]

I thought Elun'ahir as a concept may have been shifted to something else in the saga or rewritten. It was definitely going to be a real, forgotten world tree in early drafts of DF and TWW (given the rootlands- the book says Haranir settled in the roots, but in Midnight the roots aren't there anymore).

Actually, it's a real world tree but of the past, but perhaps the roots remain somewhere still, just not directly to the cradle. https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/To_the_Blossoming_Terrace

"When the haranir first arrived in Harandar, they brought with them a staff formed of the roots of a great tree. That tree has since gone away, but the roots remain. It has been our duty to protect that staff and pass it on through the generations. But now, it has been stolen."

[Eldryth]

Actually, it's a real world tree but of the past, but perhaps the roots remain somewhere still, just not directly to the cradle. https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/To_the_Blossoming_Terrace

"When the haranir first arrived in Harandar, they brought with them a staff formed of the roots of a great tree. That tree has since gone away, but the roots remain. It has been our duty to protect that staff and pass it on through the generations. But now, it has been stolen."

I missed that while playing through that questline... So Elun'ahir does exist, but it's somewhere else completely separate from Harandar. I guess that puts an end to the speculation that it's tied to the cradle. I wonder if (and when) we'll see it. Iirc there were some lines somewhere about there being other tribes of Haranir out there, maybe that's where some of them are?

[Nymrohd]

I missed that while playing through that questline... So Elun'ahir does exist, but it's somewhere else completely separate from Harandar. I guess that puts an end to the speculation that it's tied to the cradle. I wonder if (and when) we'll see it. Iirc there were some lines somewhere about there being other tribes of Haranir out there, maybe that's where some of them are?

That part of the questline was still vague. Next week you can pick the Ways of the Root part of the questline and we'll find more (it should be available in datamining, we could search in interactive objects for it)

Edit: doesn't seem to be there

[Just Passing through]

Keeping up with the Windrunners makes for the better parody.

Thanks, - that was the show title that eluded me

[Foolicious]

That part of the questline was still vague. Next week you can pick the Ways of the Root part of the questline and we'll find more (it should be available in datamining, we could search in interactive objects for it)

Edit: doesn't seem to be there

Root of the world tells the story of how the haranir unlocked rootwalking after tending to poisoned roots. But it doesn't mention which tree this roots belonged to. Interestingly it mentions how the rootways reach through azeroth and beyond. Sky's hope tells the story of how harandar was a dark cave when the haranir arrived until one of them decided to fly into the cradle to end the darkness. This haranir was never seen again, harandar is illuminated since this day and the sky's hope artifact fell from the cradle.

I did them on beta. But the little lore scrolls you can collect when doing the quest and the follow up quests from the lorekeeper didn't work.

[Nymrohd]

Root of the world tells the story of how the haranir unlocked rootwalking after tending to poisoned roots. But it doesn't mention which tree this roots belonged to. Interestingly it mentions how the rootways reach through azeroth and beyond. Sky's hope tells the story of how harandar was a dark cave when the haranir arrived until one of them decided to fly into the cradle to end the darkness. This haranir was never seen again, harandar is illuminated since this day and the sky's hope artifact fell from the cradle.

I did them on beta. But the little lore scrolls you can collect when doing the quest and the follow up quests from the lorekeeper didn't work.

Thanks. So . . . nothing specific.

[Cheezits]

Thanks. So . . . nothing specific.

I do think a Haranir kamikazing the empty cradle and filling the area with Light may have some repercussions down the line[

[Eldryth]

That part of the questline was still vague. Next week you can pick the Ways of the Root part of the questline and we'll find more (it should be available in datamining, we could search in interactive objects for it)

Saying that they already had a staff made from Elun'ahir's roots before they first arrived in Harandar seems pretty clear about them being distinct, at least.


Speaking of the Haranir weekly quests though- with their timegating, the final one- which I think I heard involves fighting Chimaerus- drops a week after the final part of the launch campaign. Maybe it'll have some big lore reveals or signs of where we're going next?

[Nymrohd]

Saying that they already had a staff made from Elun'ahir's roots before they first arrived in Harandar seems pretty clear about them being distinct, at least.


Speaking of the Haranir weekly quests though- with their timegating, the final one- which I think I heard involves fighting Chimaerus- drops a week after the final part of the launch campaign. Maybe it'll have some big lore reveals or signs of where we're going next?

I am hoping there is something there, especially now that I tried to find the objects and they are apparently hidden for datamining

[DenPhoenix]

Hmm, I’ve completed the Haranir starting quests, and the question is — why does the voice of their Goddess sound closer to the Haranir voices than the voice of Azeroth that we heard before?

[Joshuaj]

I thought Elun'ahir as a concept may have been shifted to something else in the saga or rewritten. It was definitely going to be a real, forgotten world tree in early drafts of DF and TWW (given the rootlands- the book says Haranir settled in the roots, but in Midnight the roots aren't there anymore).

I just assumed Elun'ahir's roots became the cradle.

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Ik the roots were implied to exist after the cradles existence, but I feel the cradle's origin being linked to Elun'ahir just makes the most sense.

[Cheezits]

Hmm, I’ve completed the Haranir starting quests, and the question is — why does the voice of their Goddess sound closer to the Haranir voices than the voice of Azeroth that we heard before?

Maybe Azeroth talks to people in their native voice/language?

[Eldryth]

Maybe Azeroth talks to people in their native voice/language?

Actually, that idea reminds me of the Scion from Faerin's story, who I still think will show up at some point. Her appearance was constantly changing between Elf, Human, and Troll.

She seemed to be a Light being, but who knows- maybe she was more closely tied to the Worldsoul itself.

[DenPhoenix]

Maybe Azeroth talks to people in their native voice/language?

Maybe, but then why didn’t they show it in the cinematic with Orweyna?

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By the way, there’s another thing I don’t understand — in theory, Azeroth/Aln’hara was pulled out of the Rift of Aln? Then why is the Cradle, or more precisely the tangle of roots, above Harandar? Maybe it was actually the roots of Elun’Ahir that pulled her out of the Rift of Aln? If look at the "Rift" itself, the roots seem to be stretching toward it.