Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Luck4]

And all of them are really uninteresting too.

Quite a shame, i usually look forward to reading them just for the funsies.
But this year it's just been a stream of mass produced disappointment.

I feel the same, pretty much like in 2019 when nearly every leak was about Shadowlands as we got closer to Blizzcon now every leak is about Avaloren.

There's also nothing new gameplay-wise, no changes to the current structure, nor a new addition.

I think I'll be disappointed again as I did at the last Blizzcon when Shadowlands was announced.

[Darkarath]

How many bosses will the 10.2 raid have? Prediction time! And WHO will be in the raid (as a boss(es))?

I am going with 10 bosses.

Vault of the Incarnates has 8.

Aberrus has 9.

10.2 raid having 10 seems the right move. As for the bosses... Very difficult to say, but I have some ideas:

1- Fyrakk visage form.
2- Fyrakk dragon form.
3- Dragon corrupted by Shadowflame (probably a Black one, maybe Sabellian or some of his companions from Outland).
4- Void representative.
5- Druid of the Flame representative.
6- Tree, Dryad, or something from the Emerald Dream, but corrupted, probably Emerald Nightmare related.
7- Elemental, maybe even Smolderon, depending on what 10.1.7 and 10.2 questing lead us to.
8- Primalist representative.
9- Djaradin representative.
10- Crazy Keeper from The Emerald Dream.

[Cheezits]

I think I'll be disappointed again as I did at the last Blizzcon when Shadowlands was announced.

I think housing, spell customization, and/or revamp will happen. At least one of the three.

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1- Fyrakk visage form.
2- Fyrakk dragon form.
3- Dragon corrupted by Shadowflame (probably a Black one, maybe Sabellian or some of his companions from Outland).
4- Void representative.
5- Druid of the Flame representative.
6- Tree, Dryad, or something from the Emerald Dream, but corrupted, probably Emerald Nightmare related.
7- Elemental, maybe even Smolderon, depending on what 10.1.7 and 10.2 questing lead us to.
8- Primalist representative.
9- Djaradin representative.

Wayyyyy too similar to Aberrus IMO. Fyrakk will be one fight with multiple forms. No shadowflame besides him. We might get a fight with whatever the Djaradin Ingot construction is.

I think we'll get a Druid of the Flame boss, but a LOT more nature creatures or characters we haven't seen that come from the dream. Maybe Satyrs, traitor Keepers, an evil fairy, Drust, Botani, etc.

Bonus points: a Naaru, cus Elune.

[Catastrophy349]

So, the "main campaign" is almost guaranteed (obviously) to be "Green Dragon" aligned. Do we think there will be a Red Dragon questline (similarly to the Blue Dragon one), or will the Red Dragon stuff be in a .5/.7 patch (10.3 if it happens)?

[Sondrelk]

I think housing, spell customization, and/or revamp will happen. At least one of the three.

Housing and revamp always seemed like a natural fit for me. You wouldnt want to make housing separate from the actual play area of an expansion, and you wouldnt want the house to be stuck in old content in future expansions either.
Proper Housing is a system that needs to work from the getgo, and keep working. And you cannot necessarily move the house into a new continent.

Ideally housing would be placed in an area linked directly to Stormwind/Orgrimmar, and made in such a way that it's always available. Probably by a special Hearthstone.
I did dream of a housing system using the BfA islands though, as that would allow it to link up to any coastal province on Azeroth, which makes it easier to link to future content.

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So, the "main campaign" is almost guaranteed (obviously) to be "Green Dragon" aligned. Do we think there will be a Red Dragon questline (similarly to the Blue Dragon one), or will the Red Dragon stuff be in a .5/.7 patch (10.3 if it happens)?

I imagine the main quest will be Green Dragon based, but transition into Red Dragon as the quest moves beyond the raid and starts setting up the next bit of content.

If I were to guess broad strokes I would say that Vyranoth is the link between the two storylines. She will disappear from the Emerald Dream storyline halfway, and eventually reappear after the raid. Basically the same setup as how Fyrakk was important to getting into Zaralek, but eventually disappeared entirely from that plotline.

[Nightshade711]

And Yrel's Lightbound army is analogous with the Burning Legion, just light vs fel.

Quite the leap, given we’ve only seen them for a very short time.

Which sounds like a plot line that is going to be wrapped up in Dragonflight.

Doubtful. We already know next patch is emerald dream/fyraak related.
Outside of that we don’t even know if there will be a 10.3, so there’s probably not a whole lot of room to deal with it.
Besides, blizzard probably wouldn’t make the same mistake as BfA and waste a long built up villain in a single patch in an unrelated expansion.

Alternate timelines and realities is something we've been dealing with in this current patch. Interestingly by the same group who introduced the AU Draenor timeline in the first place.

The current patch which has nothing to do with AU Draenor.

Yeah, I don't see another neutral race dropping right after Dracthyr.

Never said they had to be neutral.
But even then on the same hand I don’t see blizzard dropping two new races just after dropping one in the previous xpac.
If they did want to make two races, and not have them be neutral they could do Naga for horde, Ethereals for alliance.

Doubtful, given the rather constant history of BlizzCon promo art.

Which can always change. Blizzard recently hasn’t been keeping to their “status quo”. Like for example introducing a whole new spec in the middle of an expansion.

Metzen coming back is probably a big deal for them and will be a big hype generator like in the old days.

And even then, Thrall could be used anywhere next expansion, just because he’s in it doesn’t mean it’s elemental themed, or laughably, light themed.

[Cheezits]

If 10.3 is going to be Tyr/Keepers vs Dragons, then it will be the Red patch as Alex and Tyr seem to have a special relationship and she also commands all the dragons/represents them.

Also I have a feeling that the end of 10.2 is going to be Ysera dying/letting herself die to return to Ardenweald and bring Malfurion, or someone pretending to be Malfurion, back to Azeroth.

[Darkarath]

So, the "main campaign" is almost guaranteed (obviously) to be "Green Dragon" aligned. Do we think there will be a Red Dragon questline (similarly to the Blue Dragon one), or will the Red Dragon stuff be in a .5/.7 patch (10.3 if it happens)?

No place for the Reds in 10.2. If we get a 10.3, they should be there. If we do not have 10.3, then for sure they would get something in 10.2.5 and 10.2.7.

I think housing, spell customization, and/or revamp will happen. At least one of the three.

Spell customization / Class customization is probably next.

I think that they will need more time for Housing, and I also believe that when it comes it will be along an evergreen follower system.

[micwini]

If 10.3 is going to be Tyr/Keepers vs Dragons, then it will be the Red patch as Alex and Tyr seem to have a special relationship and she also commands all the dragons/represents them.

Also I have a feeling that the end of 10.2 is going to be Ysera dying/letting herself die to return to Ardenweald and bring Malfurion, or someone pretending to be Malfurion, back to Azeroth.

Malfurion, a dreadlord? Man that would be shite

[Cheezits]

Malfurion, a dreadlord? Man that would be shite

Its the most likely explanation for the green eyes whisper, save for a new evil life character with green eyes.

[Revamp Man]

Thrall is the world shaman
Don't think he ever lost that title actually
I'm still leaning towards elemental expansion

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Its the most likely explanation for the green eyes whisper, save for a new evil life character with green eyes.

Green eyes could also mean eyes of envy or even greed

[Cheezits]

Wouldn't it be funny if Turalyon or Anduin is on the box? Because other than Thrall they are the big Alliance characters right now, and Thrall is on the Blizzcon thing as THE Horde character.

[Santandame]

I think housing, spell customization, and/or revamp will happen. At least one of the three.

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Wayyyyy too similar to Aberrus IMO. Fyrakk will be one fight with multiple forms. No shadowflame besides him. We might get a fight with whatever the Djaradin Ingot construction is.

I think we'll get a Druid of the Flame boss, but a LOT more nature creatures or characters we haven't seen that come from the dream. Maybe Satyrs, traitor Keepers, an evil fairy, Drust, Botani, etc.

Bonus points: a Naaru, cus Elune.

- Fyrakk as the final boss in both his forms.
- The last Djaradin elder accompanied by their super weapon.
- Something related to the remnant of the Void that we saw at the end of the Emerald Nightmare raid.
- Something Xavius related as a throwback. An echo or a memory.
- Gorak Tul makes a comeback

Those are some I can see happening for sure.

[Catastrophy349]

It's absolutely NUTS to me to think that anyone in their right mind would want a "Yrel/Light" expansion for 11.0 when there is ZERO connection/set up in DF for it (unless something happens between 10.1.7 and 11.0 released). That would be about as bad as throwing the Shadowlands and the Jailer at us from left field.

Don't EVEN try to defend it by saying, "but Yrel is a character we know from...WoD!"

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I have nothing against Yrel, nor the Light, however, it needs to be set up correctly. As of right now, the only two things being set up properly (IMO) are Order (Titans) and Void (Iri/Xal/Azshara/Old Gods).

[Cheezits]

It's absolutely NUTS to me to think that anyone in their right mind would want a "Yrel/Light" expansion for 11.0 when there is ZERO connection/set up in DF for it (unless something happens between 10.1.7 and 11.0 released). That would be about as bad as throwing the Shadowlands and the Jailer at us from left field.

Don't EVEN try to defend it by saying, "but Yrel is a character we know from...WoD!"

There was no void connection in DF until 10.1. We have two potential patches to bring in the Light, and Tyr is THE light related lore figure on Azeroth. We also may see Elune and/or An'she.

It's not a crazy assumption that this expansion will feature the next steps of both Light and Void. We may even be getting the next Fel story on Tuesdat, and Life will get some lore in the Dream. So DF likely is setting up the future of all non-Death cosmology.

[Catastrophy349]

There was no void connection in DF until 10.1. We have two potential patches to bring in the Light, and Tyr is THE light related lore figure on Azeroth. We also may see Elune and/or An'she.

It's not a crazy assumption that this expansion will feature the next steps of both Light and Void. We may even be getting the next Fel story on Tuesdat, and Life will get some lore in the Dream. So DF likely is setting up the future of all non-Death cosmology.

Exactly. That is why, to quote myself, I specifically said "(unless something happens between 10.1.7 and 11.0 released)." If Light comes up in any way between NOW (10.1.7) and the end of DF, I think it's 100% fine. I was simply saying that Yrel popping out of nowhere would be a HUGE fail (IMO). DF has been doing a great job (again, IMO) for setting up future stories. The same should happen for Light (if it happens).

[Darkarath]

If a revamp happens every theme could be involved, and probably will be. Light, Void, Order, Chaos, Life and Death. Every Cosmic Force would want its piece of the cake that is Azeroth, and it would be certainly be a good way of develop them more through our beloved zones, races and factions.

[Teriz]

It's absolutely NUTS to me to think that anyone in their right mind would want a "Yrel/Light" expansion for 11.0 when there is ZERO connection/set up in DF for it (unless something happens between 10.1.7 and 11.0 released). That would be about as bad as throwing the Shadowlands and the Jailer at us from left field.

Don't EVEN try to defend it by saying, "but Yrel is a character we know from...WoD!"

We just had the Fractures in Time patch in 10.1.5 which is basically Infinite and Bronze dragons messing with the timelines and causing various things to happen.

It was a Bronze drake that sent Garrosh to AU Draenor. Which pissed-off Bronze or Infinite drake is going to open the portal to let Yrel through to MU Azeroth?

[Cheezits]

If a revamp happens every theme could be involved, and probably will be. Light, Void, Order, Chaos, Life and Death. Every Cosmic Force would want its piece of the cake that is Azeroth, and it would be certainly be a good way of develop them more through our beloved zones, races and factions.

Yeah if you do a revamp, and remove 90% of the faction war stuff, you have a lot of good potential to slot all kinds of antagonists into the zones.

For Death, I think the Drust and the Nathrezim would work. I think the Nathrezim post-Zovaal are definitely their own thing, but I think they will go for a Death vibe for them now as opposed to demons now that we know their true leader is a death god (and is still alive).

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Its the most likely explanation for the green eyes whisper, save for a new evil life character with green eyes.

Do you want angry unreasonable so called "Nelf fans" cause thats whats gonna happen if it goes like that.


10.2 raid bosses I can imagine is Fyrakk and he'll have Shadowflame mechanics.


Perhaps a shadowflame corrupted Treant or ancient. Shadowflame corrupted Titan keeper would be interesting.



Now this one is more far out there is Alliance involvement to defending the world tree(And I don't just mean Nelves, Humans to).