Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Catastrophy349]

We just had the Fractures in Time patch in 10.1.5 which is basically Infinite and Bronze dragons messing with the timelines and causing various things to happen.

It was a Bronze drake that sent Garrosh to AU Draenor. Which pissed-off Bronze or Infinite drake is going to open the portal to let Yrel through to MU Azeroth?

I'm actually super interested to see what "timey-wimey" stuff happens in 10.1.7 with Chromie.

[Nightshade711]

It's absolutely NUTS to me to think that anyone in their right mind would want a "Yrel/Light" expansion for 11.0 when there is ZERO connection/set up in DF for it (unless something happens between 10.1.7 and 11.0 released). That would be about as bad as throwing the Shadowlands and the Jailer at us from left field.

Don't EVEN try to defend it by saying, "but Yrel is a character we know from...WoD!"

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I have nothing against Yrel, nor the Light, however, it needs to be set up correctly. As of right now, the only two things being set up properly (IMO) are Order (Titans) and Void (Iri/Xal/Azshara/Old Gods).

Big agree.
Besides, there are far more interesting villain options for the light side of things than a Mary Sue from WoD.

[micwini]

Big agree.
Besides, there are far more interesting villain options for the light side of things than a Mary Sue from WoD.

URL will probably never be a villain. I can't see them ever grabbing characters from alt Draenor unless it is for some side stuff.

[Raetary]

How many bosses will the 10.2 raid have? Prediction time! And WHO will be in the raid (as a boss(es))?

Probably around 10.

Fyrakk is obviously there
We'll likely fight Vyranoth, with her surviving the encounter.
An out of control Shadowflame elemental
A problematic Frost elemental
A Druid of the Flame boss
A primalist general boss/encounter
A Djaradin boss
An Eonar style encounter where we need to keep the the heart of the tree, or something else, alive
A good guy Keeper of the Grove/Ancient/Wild God that gets corrupted by Fyrakks shadowflame

[Cheezits]

URL will probably never be a villain. I can't see them ever grabbing characters from alt Draenor unless it is for some side stuff.

Yrel will be a villain I feel, but definitely not the main one for the Light. Whoever the main Light villain is will probably be someone new players get to be introduced to without a lot of prior context like Yrel.

I think Calia's Scarlet child and/or an alternate Xe'ra are likely. Tyr may swap sides to them as well. I think they are building up a contingent of Keepers/Titans who, in the event of a Void/Light war, will defect to the Light or will ally with them to a point that opposes us.

[micwini]

How many bosses will the 10.2 raid have? Prediction time! And WHO will be in the raid (as a boss(es))?

Merithra (healer boss fight)
Plant boss
Druid of the Flame boss
Remnant of Xavius
Igira, the Elder
Fyrakk & Vyranoth (yes, a duo boss fight)

Probably a few more fillers, but this is what I could come up with.

[Luck4]

I think housing, spell customization, and/or revamp will happen. At least one of the three.

One of these would definitely be very welcome.

But I also think that the current endgame gameplay is not appealing to new players and should be iterated upon, but I doubt Blizzard will be bold enough to make any changes in any of the three endgame pillars.

Initially, I thought that WoW lacked content, and that's why the retention was bad, but with Dragonflight content cadence, I see now that people don't have that much fun playing WoW anymore, and many WoW content creators have been extensively talking about the gameplay issue.

The community is also becoming extremely toxic, I know they always used to be, but we're reaching new lows, and I think new players could dilute the veterans' toxicity.

[Teriz]

URL will probably never be a villain. I can't see them ever grabbing characters from alt Draenor unless it is for some side stuff.

You mean like when they grabbed alt Draenor Gul’Dan for Legion?

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Yrel will be a villain I feel, but definitely not the main one for the Light. Whoever the main Light villain is will probably be someone new players get to be introduced to without a lot of prior context like Yrel.

I think Calia's Scarlet child and/or an alternate Xe'ra are likely. Tyr may swap sides to them as well. I think they are building up a contingent of Keepers/Titans who, in the event of a Void/Light war, will defect to the Light or will ally with them to a point that opposes us.

Actually AU Xe’ra is rumored to be the naaru that turned Yrel and the Lightbound towards fanatsicism.

[Cheezits]

Actually AU Xe’ra is rumored to be the naaru that turned Yrel and the Lightbound towards fanatsicism.

AU Xe'ra fits the bill of the Lightmother but I can see it being someone else. She was just the highest ranking Light person at the time.

[Woggmer]

Malfurion, a dreadlord? Man that would be shite

It wouldn't make much sense either, because while there is a dreadlord hiding out in the realm of nature (Ardenweald or the Emerald Dream or whatever) they were already in hiding and getting close to "her" long before Malfurion swaps places with Ysera. (Heck, probably even long before we even show up to the Shadowlands, according to that Enemy Infiltration - Preface book from Revendreth).

[Darkarath]

One of these would definitely be very welcome.

But I also think that the current endgame gameplay is not appealing to new players and should be iterated upon, but I doubt Blizzard will be bold enough to make any changes in any of the three endgame pillars.

Initially, I thought that WoW lacked content, and that's why the retention was bad, but with Dragonflight content cadence, I see now that people don't have that much fun playing WoW anymore, and many WoW content creators have been extensively talking about the gameplay issue.

The community is also becoming extremely toxic, I know they always used to be, but we're reaching new lows, and I think new players could dilute the veterans' toxicity.

This is very true. WoW needs a new pillar or a substantial change of the existing ones.

Why people find farming Mythic + fun is beyond me. But I believe that players are starting to get tired of it. I do not know exactly what can be done there as I rarely do Mythics in DF.

Raiding problem is that it just takes too much time and too many people. They should change the format and decrease the number of difficulties.

PvP is very much dead but I hope that they make a last attempt to revitalize it. Adding new BGs is not a solution. The whole system itself has to change. Fuck the balance and start to get crazy and make fun stuff with cool rewards.

Old content and collections, I would say, is another pillar, but very unused. You have almost 20 years of content. DO SOMETHING WITH IT. I really think that this is currently one of their priorities, and maybe in 10.2 we would get to see some developments there. There is so much potential here.

World content is becoming another pillar. Blizzard is trying hard in this field, and I applaud them for that. Not everything that they have created is amazing, but they are iterating on it. I believe that Dreamsurges are going to be a very good little addition to the game.

Regarding new stuff, housing would clearly be another pillar if well done.

A follower system in which we can do some content with NPC characters with a story that evolves would be another pillar. Let them learn a profession and a class with their talents. Let us gear them and transmog them at our leisure.

Archeology and a Journal could be something with unlimited potential too, but I feel that it should be tied to old content. We could even have a talent tree to go faster in old instances, chance for extra loot, shortcuts...

[Cheezits]

It wouldn't make much sense either, because while there is a dreadlord hiding out in the realm of nature (Ardenweald or the Emerald Dream or whatever) they were already in hiding and getting close to "her" long before Malfurion swaps places with Ysera. (Heck, probably even long before we even show up to the Shadowlands, according to that Enemy Infiltration - Preface book from Revendreth).

Yeah, I hope it's not a Malfurion Double because the Shadowlands book made it sound like there is a high society in the Lifelands that a Nathrezim could infiltrate. It sounds cool and I hope they follow through with that: I want to see Elune having to deal with some wacky counterpart gods.

[Imotbh]

How many bosses will the 10.2 raid have? Prediction time! And WHO will be in the raid (as a boss(es))?

I personally like the 8-10 bosses bracket In terms of who we're going to see, I unfortunately only suspect:

- Fyrakk as last boss
- A fire elemental
- A druid of the flame (à la Majordomo Staghelm)
- A drakonid (like Eranog) or a dragonspawn (like Diurna/Zskarn)
- A fight where we have to defend/heal Merithra or Ysera
- A nightmare creature, I expect a small part of the raid to be corrupted

Not very original I know but oh well. I also hope that the tree is big enough for us to actually fight on it, along the branches or something while the battle rages underneath. It would be neat

[Catastrophy349]

I really appreciate all of the replies to the "10.2 raid boss" question. It keeps this channel alive and fresh! The bickering back and forth gets old and really drives people away from the speculation and fun!

[Ersula]

Actually AU Xe’ra is rumored to be the naaru that turned Yrel and the Lightbound towards fanatsicism.

That rumor was started 4 years ago. By me. And now I'm now I'm over it. It's floptina aguilera

[Eeram]

im unsure why people think the Light is coming next expansion. They have been building up Two separate things that can go together pretty easily.
The Void/5th Old God. And the titans are not all we think they are.
I dont believe will will have a "Pirate" Expansion per se but i could easily see it being a Key Element to the story.
The one thing i want to say is for sure is Avaloren.... IS REAL (sorry rewatching One piece)
We will 100% be going there next expansion we will have a feet on the ground expansion again with Mild Old god business but more Titans Bad Why the Heretics ran away

[Teriz]

That rumor was started 4 years ago. By me. And now I'm now I'm over it. It's floptina aguilera

It’s discussed here as well;

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Lig...nate_universe)

[Catastrophy349]

"...so I was running, right? And, and, I found this hole, right? And, and, well...I jumped into it."

-This conversation

[Teriz]

im unsure why people think the Light is coming next expansion. They have been building up Two separate things that can go together pretty easily.
The Void/5th Old God. And the titans are not all we think they are.
I dont believe will will have a "Pirate" Expansion per se but i could easily see it being a Key Element to the story.
The one thing i want to say is for sure is Avaloren.... IS REAL (sorry rewatching One piece)
We will 100% be going there next expansion we will have a feet on the ground expansion again with Mild Old god business but more Titans Bad Why the Heretics ran away

For me, the clues simply point in that direction. I think people are too wrapped up in believing this storyline is going to continue directly into the next expansion. That really only happened a few times, whereas the norm is for expansions to pull a soft reset of the storyline. Like Dragonflight has little to do with the storyline in Shadowlands.

It should also be noted that people were predicting a void expansion at the end of Shadowlands as well.

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Is it possible she may be an AU Xe'ra?

Quote possible, since according to the lore they have similar attributes in personality.

[Catastrophy349]

For me, the clues simply point in that direction. I think people are too wrapped up in believing this storyline is going to continue directly into the next expansion. That really only happened a few times, whereas the norm is for expansions to pull a soft reset of the storyline. Like Dragonflight has little to do with the storyline in Shadowlands.

It should also be noted that people were predicting a void expansion at the end of Shadowlands as well.

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Quote possible, since according to the lore they have similar attributes in personality.

They LITERALLY said that they wanted to continue the story, from expansion to expansion, versus a "self contained story" going forward. I don't mean a "Gul'dan getting away but we saved Draenor", I mean as in the story just continues forward naturally. This information came out prior to DF's release.