Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Catastrophy349]

Here's a fun conversation: I hear A LOT of people (basically everywhere and anywhere) discussing "World Revamp" as a talking point. To anyone willing to respond, what version of a "world revamp" would you like to see (because to many different people it means different things)?

[Sondrelk]

Here's a fun conversation: I hear A LOT of people (basically everywhere and anywhere) discussing "World Revamp" as a talking point. To anyone willing to respond, what version of a "world revamp" would you like to see (because to many different people it means different things)?

Minor visual revamp (HD textures and various small changes) of EK/Kalimdor zones. Possibly just one. Quests updated, but not to an extent where each zone is necessarily a full levelling zone by itself. All endgame zones are in revamped zones, rather than new ones.

Also Page 777. Today is the lucky day, I can feel it.

[Makabreska]

It's more about the comments. i was surprised by how many want this reset/new game to happen.

Again, who and where? Because if we talk about Twitch/YouTube chat, few people will start saying one thing and then entire chat is parroting it. I wouldn't put much trust into these, you need an actual poll to see what people want.

[Ersula]

At least I am very confident that 11.0 will get even more support than DF. After that it depends on the success of this soft restart that they have started with DF and that has to continue with 11.0, hopefully with a world revamp, which lets be honest, is the only thing that would put WoW on the map again.

Everquest played a big part in killing its own brand by releasing Everquest 2. The other big factor was a bunch of SOE venture capitalists cashing out at the same time. But it's never going to be a good idea to compete with yourself: Everquest 2's biggest fanbase was going to be Everquest 1 players so you're not pulling in new subscriptions. Suddenly the EQ1 and EQ2 developers are competing with each other for players. So from that MMO developers know its a bad idea. Though what Phantasy Star Online did was inspired: It sold a sequel (New Horizons) as part of the original game. It comes from the same launcher but its an entirely new engine, they just copied all the cosmetic stuff from one game to the other so people didn't feel like they lost anything.

On a related note, did anyone see Holinka & Ghostcrawler announced they were making their own MMO? After Ghostcrawler spent the last 5 years working on the League of Legends MMOs that isn't any closer to coming out. Ghostcrawler somehow avoided any scrutiny for the Cosby suite stuff he was in charge of by virtue of not working at blizzard when the expose dropped.

[Cheezits]

If the Nelf and Forsaken heritage quests set up future racial plots like the Human and Orc quests did, I think 11.0 being a revamp will get even more obvious.

I think its 50/50 on them resolving the Scarlet Calia plot in a single questline, and I hope they don't.

[Sondrelk]

Everquest played a big part in killing its own brand by releasing Everquest 2. The other big factor was a bunch of SOE venture capitalists cashing out at the same time. But it's never going to be a good idea to compete with yourself: Everquest 2's biggest fanbase was going to be Everquest 1 players so you're not pulling in new subscriptions. Suddenly the EQ1 and EQ2 developers are competing with each other for players. So from that MMO developers know its a bad idea. Though what Phantasy Star Online did was inspired: It sold a sequel (New Horizons) as part of the original game. It comes from the same launcher but its an entirely new engine, they just copied all the cosmetic stuff from one game to the other so people didn't feel like they lost anything.

On a related note, did anyone see Holinka & Ghostcrawler announced they were making their own MMO? After Ghostcrawler spent the last 5 years working on the League of Legends MMOs that isn't any closer to coming out. Ghostcrawler somehow avoided any scrutiny for the Cosby suite stuff he was in charge of by virtue of not working at blizzard when the expose dropped.

I have said before, and I will say again. WoW 2 will not be a thing until WoW has been on a low burn for years. The game would need several years since the last big update before it can even hope to gain anything by even announcing a new version. And even then it would likely not be as effective as reworking WoW proper to be more evergreen with rotating seasons or whatever.

[Darkarath]

Here's a fun conversation: I hear A LOT of people (basically everywhere and anywhere) discussing "World Revamp" as a talking point. To anyone willing to respond, what version of a "world revamp" would you like to see (because to many different people it means different things)?

The only possible revamp is remaking the old zones from zero, like Draenor was. The more zones the better, but it is safe to assume that they would not be able to cover both Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms in one expansion.

Ideally the revamped zones would have an evergreen campaign both for new and old players, and all zones would have max level content.

Then we can talk about systems, which seriously need a revamp too in some cases, but meh, I just want to see 10.2, which is going to be so important for WoW (for bad or for good) and will give us so many clues in so many fields.

Also, fucking make everything account-wide.

Also:

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/16...%7Ctwtr%5Etrue

[Ersula]

The only possible revamp is remaking the old zones from zero, like Draenor was. The more zones the better, but it is safe to assume that they would not be able to cover both Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms in one expansion.

Ideally the revamped zones would have an evergreen campaign both for new and old players, and all zones would have max level content.

Then we can talk about systems, which seriously need a revamp too in some cases, but meh, I just want to see 10.2, which is going to be so important for WoW (for bad or for good) and will give us so many clues in so many fields.

What if they don't remake the old zones from scratch? I think making a level 70-80 version of both continents is possible if they're just repopulating the zones with new assets.

[nanoneo]

Qwik on twitter: No pirates.

https://x.com/qwik/status/1698517913...WrsOhSSDZQB1vA

[Marlamin]

https://x.com/qwik/status/1698517913...WrsOhSSDZQB1vA

I think we've been over this twice at this point, maybe 3 times.

[Darkarath]

What if they don't remake the old zones from scratch? I think making a level 70-80 version of both continents is possible if they're just repopulating the zones with new assets.

It would not work IMO. It would be phased content, because current Old World is not going anywhere, that is for sure. So Arathi for example would have 3 versions. It would be a buggy mess and what is worst, they would be limiting themselves in every possible way within the constraints of the old world.

The best possible example is Outland and Draenor. Draenor (IMO the best continent that Blizzard has created) would not have been what It is today if it had been done as a new phased continent of Outland.

[huth]

I think we've been over this twice at this point, maybe 3 times.

It's kind of a weird name for a pirate crew, to be honest.

[Woggmer]

Here's a fun conversation: I hear A LOT of people (basically everywhere and anywhere) discussing "World Revamp" as a talking point. To anyone willing to respond, what version of a "world revamp" would you like to see (because to many different people it means different things)?

I'm the only person asking for this kind of "revamp"

I'm not asking for a graphical revamp to every zone, I'm not too sure how much the gameplay can be changed from what we've got.

All I'm asking is that we get a re-introduction to the old races and the factions within the Alliance and Horde. No more just Alliance and Horde.... but we get stories going on about the humans, not just as bread crumbs like the heritage armor quests. A return to our roots kinda thing and get an update how much things have changed since not just the Cataclysm, but the Legion, the Fourth War, the Scourge Invasion caused by Sylvanas's meddling with the Helm of Domination...

Having it stuck in Cata times isn't gonna do new players justice, even worse is when they start in BFA or DF and they don't get much of a taste of who to root for or which faction is which.

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It would not work IMO. It would be phased content, because current Old World is not going anywhere, that is for sure. So Arathi for example would have 3 versions. It would be a buggy mess and what is worst, they would be limiting themselves in every possible way within the constraints of the old world.

The best possible example is Outland and Draenor. Draenor (IMO the best continent that Blizzard has created) would not have been what It is today if it had been done as a new phased continent of Outland.

So instead of overlapping the new content on top of the old one, just put it in a completely different server?

[Cheezits]

I think they will just lump Cata-DF old world into one phase and create an entire new one. We NEED new loading screens without Sylvanas on them, for example.

[Ersula]

It would not work IMO. It would be phased content, because current Old World is not going anywhere, that is for sure. So Arathi for example would have 3 versions. It would be a buggy mess and what is worst, they would be limiting themselves in every possible way within the constraints of the old world.

That goes without saying. They obviously aren't going to remove the Cataclysm versions of the zones since removing the original versions were such a mistake they eventually brought them back. Alternate versions of zones aren't inherently buggy anymore. What only gets buggy is what triggers the phase & it being delegated to timewalking wouldn't cause that problem.

Then not having to resign an entire geography for a continent would save a lot of dev time.

[Darkarath]

So instead of overlapping the new content on top of the old one, just put it in a completely different server?

A different map. Just like Outland and Draenor. Make current world accessible through CoT or whatever other method they come up with.

[Marlamin]

A different map. Just like Outland and Draenor. Make current world accessible through CoT or whatever other method they come up with.

Splitting up an already largely empty old world into two separate worlds feels like a bad idea.

[Darkarath]

Splitting up an already largely empty old world into two separate worlds feels like a bad idea.

You are going to split it anyway with the new continent of every new expansion. This is just the same but the new continent is a revamped one in a new map. Like SL, Outland and Draenor.

I would actually keep current game in just one map when we tap our map key. Everything before DF is in one map. Call it Old Azeroth or whatever. DF and beyond is in the new map.

[Marlamin]

You are going to split it anyway with the new continent of every new expansion. This is just the same but the new continent is a revamped one in a new map. Like SL, Outland and Draenor.

Not sure that argument goes with the old world with the amount of people that still swear by it for their character's main hub, but each to their own opinion.

[Polygons]

I had this interesting idea for adding new classes to the game. What if you were able to learn multiple classes on a single character, like in FFXIV. Once you've leveled a troll/zandalari rogue, shaman, and hunter to 70 you can ascend your character to a shadow hunter. Level an orc as monk and warrior to unlock blademaster. Level goblin or gnome as a rogue and hunter to unlock tinker. Level an undead or blood elf as a hunter and death knight to unlock dark ranger. Level human or undead as DK and paladin to unlock a blood knight. Level a death knight and warlock to unlock necromancer. Level a tauren/highmountain hunter, shaman, druid, and warrior to unlock chieftan. Night elf rogue and hunter unlocks warden. Level dwarf as shaman and warrior to unlock mountain king. Blood elf mage and warlock unlocks blood mage. Troll shaman and warlock unlocks witch doctor. Demon hunter and mage unlocks runemaster. Each class would have one spec depending on the fantasy and would be considered advanced. There's no more faction restrictions on content anymore so there's no reason you can't have faction specific classes. Most of these classes are from warcraft 3 and could be doled out in patches with large story content behind them. They could have variations of spells people are used to so as not to be too bloaty. This would massively reinvigorate 1-70 leveling. A few of them could be similar to augmentation evoker so M+ has more variety.