Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

Also wasn't she literally disintegrated into dust when she got eye beamed? I doubt she could be put back together.

Nah. She's in about 10 pieces after the cinematic. And that explains why the Lightforged aren't particularly angry about the whole thing.

[Houle]

Nah. She's in about 10 pieces after the cinematic. And that explains why the Lightforged aren't particularly angry about the whole thing.

Bs. She was literally blasted to dust. Shes dead.

[Revamp Man]

Bs. She was literally blasted to dust. Shes dead.

Did...did people forget we used pieces of her for the netherlight crucible

[Hitei]

Dragonflight is no more elemental themed than WoD was Legion themed and then we immediately got Legion after WoD. So I completely disagree. Not saying 11.0 is Elemental themed but it could be.

Not sure if joking.

[Luck4]

Not sure if joking.

But it's true, WOD at the beginning was all about the Iron Horde and how savage Draenor was.

We only had Legion presence in the Talador zone and Auchindoun dungeon before 6.2. The whole premise of WOD was: "What if the Orcs hadn't drunk the Mannoroth's blood?"

Meanwhile, Dragonflight has elementalists, shamans, and proto-drakes based on the four elements everywhere. The Incarnates themselves are the embodiment of the four elements as well.

With that said, I'm not against an elemental expansion in 11.0 (especially if it includes a World Revamp ^^) since I believe they'll show it from another perspective, based on the elemental lords/planes, for instance.

[Ersula]

Did...did people forget we used pieces of her for the netherlight crucible

Bs. She was literally blasted to dust. Shes dead.

She was also "blasted to dust" before we first found her. We literally used the piece of her we found in the ocean outside suramar to discharge Gul'dan's shielding on top of the Nighthold. Seems like she's rendered to the exact same state we found her in.

The nature of Naaru existence also provides context for Calia. She got resurrected by a fully corrupted Naaru who had been restored to the light and thats the only times that's ever happened. (The Corrupted Naaru we see in BC & Legion are not fully corrupted. Velen clarifies she's fully corrupted because her form is no longer crystaline, she is a complete Void Entity) So in this sense Saa'ra raises people as undead because she herself is an "undead" Naaru: Their version of death is not being broken apart, but to transform fully into a Void creature.

[Auxis]

She was also "blasted to dust" before we first found her. We literally used the piece of her we found in the ocean outside suramar to discharge Gul'dan's shielding on top of the Nighthold. Seems like she's rendered to the exact same state we found her in.

The nature of Naaru existence also provides context for Calia. She got resurrected by a fully corrupted Naaru who had been restored to the light and thats the only times that's ever happened. (The Corrupted Naaru we see in BC & Legion are not fully corrupted. Velen clarifies she's fully corrupted because her form is no longer crystaline, she is a complete Void Entity) So in this sense Saa'ra raises people as undead because she herself is an "undead" Naaru: Their version of death is not being broken apart, but to transform fully into a Void creature.

She was just her 'wind chimes' minus her core, wasnt she? Theres a big difference between whole, separate parts; and shattered pieces.

[Black Rider]

Welp, this is unprecedented.

I think it's gonna be a continuation of the Iridikron plot thread i.e. Void stuff and a return of Azshara.

TBH I don't want Void stuff...

[Hitei]

But it's true, WOD at the beginning was all about the Iron Horde and how savage Draenor was.

We only had Legion presence in the Talador zone and Auchindoun dungeon before 6.2. The whole premise of WOD was: "What if the Orcs hadn't drunk the Mannoroth's blood?"

Meanwhile, Dragonflight has elementalists, shamans, and proto-drakes based on the four elements everywhere. The Incarnates themselves are the embodiment of the four elements as well.

I think you might have misread those two posts.

With that said, I'm not against an elemental expansion in 11.0 (especially if it includes a World Revamp ^^) since I believe they'll show it from another perspective, based on the elemental lords/planes, for instance.

Every plane but Abyssal Maw has been thoroughly addressed. Deepholm is already an entire zone explorable from top to bottom. Skywall and the Firelands are both raids, and Skywall and Maw are both dungeons.

There's no "other perspective" to explore here. Like a third of the Primalist forces are elementals. Every Primalist outpost has elementals. Proto-dragons themselves are also literally evolved elementals. This hypothetical expansion is just "what if we had Dragonflight again, with the antagonists but less enemy variety"--except that if 11.0 was a follow-up then the "elemental" forces of that expansion would almost certainly still just be the Primalists doing stuff, so literally nothing would change. Unless your proposal is that every single zone in a revamp be about the elements, a revamp is going to be less of an elemental expansion than DF is, because DF is so hardcore focused around the elements.

Like I said before, DF = WotLK, Elements/Elementals = Undead.

Cata ""had undead"" (Duskwood, Silverpine, Gilneas, WPL/EPL, Tirisfal) but it was never going to be an "undead expansion" when all of Wrath was about and themed around undead.

I have no doubt that a hypothetical revamp would have elementals in it... somewhere. Because elementals have been in most expansions, Kalimdor and EK both have very elemental-heavy locations, and the Primalists are clearly being introduced to act as a more grounded and reasonable antagonist faction replacing the now largely defunct Twilight's Hammer. In an EK revamp, you'd probably see the Primalists as the big enemy force in zones like the Badlands, Searing Gorge and Burning Steppes, maybe even Tanaris, Hyjal or Winterspring. But what 11.0 almost certainly isn't going to be is a second elemental/element themed expansion, or a second expansion about the elements, when DF has already leaned so aggressively into that theme in nearly ever facet.

[Auxis]

Theres also the matter of the pre patch invasions stirring up stuff as ancient as Azeroth herself:

https://www.wowhead.com/item=199211/primeval-essence

Mayhaps there is an 'elemental bedrock barrier' surrounding a world soul and its comprised of this essence?

[huth]

She was also "blasted to dust" before we first found her. We literally used the piece of her we found in the ocean outside suramar to discharge Gul'dan's shielding on top of the Nighthold. Seems like she's rendered to the exact same state we found her in.

Somebody got memory issues. All pieces were still as they would be if she was active, just the motive force was missing. Illidan shattered them.

Also, Saa'ra is still crystalline. It's just a Void infused crystal instead of Light. It's not a corruption anyway; this is part of their natural lifecycle.

[Raetary]

She was also "blasted to dust" before we first found her.

No she wasn't.
She was dismantled, her core had some damage, but all her pieces were fully intact.

As you can see in the cinematic where we put her back together.

Before:



It wasn't until Illidan pulverized her that all what was left of her was pebbles und dust.

After:


She's dead.
She'll likely return considering how death works in this franchise, but she died then and there.

[micwini]

Any guesses on what 10.2's title would be?

I'm going with Roots of Amirdrassil or Defence of Amirdrassil :P

RE:11.0, I'm all in for Old World revamp but I still want to see a new continent (I prefer it when new zones are lumped together rather than scattered ala SL and Cata..)

Im 90% that it will have the word "Dream" in it.

[Darkarath]

Would not be fun if 10.2 is called "Ashes of Amirdrassil"?

Oh the Night Elves players rage. How fun would be that to behold?

[Nymrohd]

Would not be fun if 10.2 is called "Ashes of Amirdrassil"?

Oh the Night Elves players rage. How fun would be that to behold?

I don't think I'd find that fun. Just annoying. Can we just resolve that plot and go on already?

[micwini]

11.0 HYPE! Towelliee is back and dropping a lot of “speculation” for his chat!

Do people still think he has insider knowledge, even when he's been proven to be wrong 9 out of 10 times?

[Kul]

11.0 HYPE! Towelliee is back and dropping a lot of “speculation” for his chat!

I saw that "player housing" was the thing. I would like that. But mostly I hope for another RPG expansion. No trip to outer space, keep it green grass, high mountains, dungeons, dragons and such, please.

[Catastrophy349]

Do people still think he has insider knowledge, even when he's been proven to be wrong 9 out of 10 times?

I deleted my post because it doesn’t matter what he says, people will hate and say he’s wrong. 10.1.7 HYPE!

[Lolites]

The player base drop off between 10.0.07 and 10.1.07 has been of a magnitude I've never witnessed.

oh, you have numbers then? or is it just another "2 people i know left so its MASSIVE drop of players"?

[Fahrad Wagner]

So what's the latest tea my good folk of Azeroth?