Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Santandame]

i have been hearing some things

Hopefully not voices in your head.

[Reive]

i have been hearing some things

congratz, you're not deaf

[Ersula]

They already did, there's a golden variation with no blue to represent Tyr.

One of the reasons I'm praying this Tyrs Guard is a red herring and that Tyr is bad/not as good as they are hyping him to be is so it doesn't become bait for all new paladins.

That's actually the thing that bothers me. Tyr's weapon was "the silver hand" but it wasn't literally a hand. The Human Paladin order chose that symbol based on the name of the weapon. It's deeply steeped in the Alliance's culture. Nothing about Tyr focused on hand iconography. Not just that, but it's also only a Hand because the Dead God Tir from Dungeons & Dragons' symbol was a hand. Like Selune/Elune, they just cribbed that.

I guess I can get past that by rationalizing that Alonsus Foal originally chose that symbol, and he's Forsaken now.

[Revamp Man]

Do you? Either way the improbability of the situation (which is huge) is irrelevant. Bolvar would have known if Calia was the mother of his daughter. If the developers intended it, they could have established if Taelia or Lilian was Calia's daughter at a point in the story that made sense, but they didn't. At this point it would not make sense.

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence
Especially when the devs can put it in any time

If you want to deny the hints we've been given because "it doesn't make sense to reveal it now" then that's fine but to say things like "they can't be because their families were in completely different places" then admitting you don't know where they were is like saying "no apples are orange even though I haven't seen an apple in my life"

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

i have been hearing some things

Are these disembodied voices with us in this room?

[Reive]

this past week has been a doomfest. the new patch being bad has only made things worse.

[Kiivar86]

this past week has been a doomfest. the new patch being bad has only made things worse.

So like usual then?

We cycle back and forth often and fast enough it doesn't phase me at this point.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

So like usual then?

We cycle back and forth often and fast enough it doesn't phase me at this point.

To be fair its a smaller patch so I'm not that annoyed but... maybe I'm too reasonable for MMO-Champion >.>

[Ersula]

If you want to deny the hints we've been given because "it doesn't make sense to reveal it now" then that's fine but to say things like "they can't be because their families were in completely different places" then admitting you don't know where they were is like saying "no apples are orange even though I haven't seen an apple in my life"

Hints that make no sense are not hints. There are more "hints" that disprove your theory than "hints" that back it up & you're just ignoring those. Calia/Bolvar knowing Lilian & Taelia, details about their life, their own personal history & not putting it together that they were romantically linked would make everyone involved seem like braindead morons, including the writers and audience.

How incredibly stupid it would be to have Bolvar, at this point, say "Taelia, I know the entire shadowlands storyline Calia & us were involved in was about berating me about lying to you your whole life? And how that was bad? Well, She & I have been lying to you about even more things & she's just a huge hypocrite and there's no reason I waited to tell you this"

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

this past week has been a doomfest. the new patch being bad has only made things worse.

There is no reason to say "its over" before the developers come clean with either their words or a roadmap.

Again, I think a lot of people just played into their anxieties about the bad ending for this expansion occurring. It has not yet been confirmed beyond superficial lines that can be deciphered as just preemptively rather than a fixed development schedule.

If it was so important we would've already doomed over it back in January but no one decided to doompost about it back then.

[Cheezits]

Unless this is another game entirely... let the leaks begin? Avaloren heretics maybe? Wrath of the Drogbar?



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[tubbipack]

Reminds me of the infected orcs in Gorgrond/Botani

[Foolicious]

That's actually the thing that bothers me. Tyr's weapon was "the silver hand" but it wasn't literally a hand. The Human Paladin order chose that symbol based on the name of the weapon. It's deeply steeped in the Alliance's culture. Nothing about Tyr focused on hand iconography. Not just that, but it's also only a Hand because the Dead God Tir from Dungeons & Dragons' symbol was a hand. Like Selune/Elune, they just cribbed that.

I guess I can get past that by rationalizing that Alonsus Foal originally chose that symbol, and he's Forsaken now.

Thats not quite right. Tyr sacrificed his hand in the fight against galakrond and replaced it with a silver one. It was the only thing that remained after he sacrificed himself again to save the vrykul and they worshipped his hand for a long time in tirisfal. They literally build their culture around the myth of tyr's hand.

He engraved his warhammer with the symbol we now know as the one that paladins use and renamed it, but the weapon itself plays very little part in the story.

[Darkarath]

Unless this is another game entirely... let the leaks begin? Avaloren heretics maybe? Wrath of the Drogbar?



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Hummmm interesting. Seems an orc but those ears... The armor looks Warcraft.

Lightforged Orcs maybe? Also it is too soon for a leak like this one.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

WoW: The Barrens with Evergrowth problems, suure.

[Darkarath]

That you think work orders are "already dead" tells me how frighteningly little you understand of the actual state of professions. And that you don't understand that more players would level multiple professions if available account-wide than currently level professions on alts, thus lowering their need to purchase items from other players discourages interactions without the need for someone to "level all professions" tells me you don't understand basic player logic enough to declare anything "for the health of the game".

If you find fishing unfun, why are you leveling it on a fifth alt for absolutely no reason?

I just happen to think that the effect of account-wide professions could be very different to what you think. Let Blizzard do it and we would see what happens.

Giving freedom to players in regard to what they want to do will always be good.

I enjoy fishing very much, I do not enjoy having to level it again from zero if I want to fish with another character.

[Cheezits]

WoW: The Barrens with Evergrowth problems, suure.

If that's the idea, I could see it being like Vanilla with a bunch of different zone problems showing up in a cinematic.

I'm curious whats up with the "horns" in the back one, it looks like one is disconnected/flying away?

[Santandame]

Unless this is another game entirely... let the leaks begin? Avaloren heretics maybe? Wrath of the Drogbar?



https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads..._175026295_hdr

Avaloren’s heretics I imagine.

Is there the possibility that’s Iridikron in the background?

[Dracullus]

WoW: The Barrens with Evergrowth problems, suure.

There are few Botani on Azeroth. They run away with Mag'har Orcs, you can see them at the end of recruitment scenario in the background.

[Kiivar86]

Avaloren’s heretics I imagine.

Is there the possibility that’s Iridikron in the background?

Horns look similar to be sure.