Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

I'm guessing 10.2.5 is a heavy story patch featuring Alex rebelling against Tyr, but because there isn't a new raid or zone attached (besides Vakthros, everything on the isle has been claimed) it's the last patch.

Could also be Alex AND the Blue Dragons because Titan Arcane theme, Blues not having their own patch story, and Khadgar currently having no purpose.

The transcripts in at launch made Tyr seem pretty evil, but I just don't know what they would then showing us the past where he actively chose to sacrifice himself as this big statement of mortal's potential, if he's going to become the villain? It's like taking a fully actualized redemption arc then undoing it.

[Santandame]

Those on the PTR could you give us a list of the raid bosses please?

[Yarathir]

I can’t be the only one who doesn’t get actual Emerald Dream vibes from the zone pictures?

I know it’s a silly thing to say considering this is the first we see of it on a bigger scale but I just see it as Val’sharah. I expected something much more wild, like a combination of Un’goro, Feralas and Val’sharrah. I dunno, I feel whelmed.

Yeah.

It just looks like Val'sharah with a bit of Firelands with me.

Really lacking that sense of magic and other-worldliness for me.

[Woggmer]

Would be nice if they could give us *some* information as to what the hell he was doing between BfA and now, before they make him bite the dust and be forever forgotten.

Yeah, again, I thought he went missing when the Cult of Ragnaros came to the Firelands...

So either A... that's not the real Smolderon and some puppet that was made (which I highly doubt) or B.... the Dark Iron/Cult of Ragnaros storyline was scrapped and he never went missing. Essentially pulling the same shit they did with Neptulon when he got taken by Ozumat but shows up in Legion as if it never happened. (Which is where I'm gonna assume the case.)

Edit: At least in Neptulon's case was due to the scrapped Abyssal Maw raid, which I don't think would've worked if the whole thing was underwater.. but the Smolderon plot would've had legs!

[Valysar]

Those on the PTR could you give us a list of the raid bosses please?

- Gnarlroot
- Igira the cruel
- Volcoross (the fire serpent)
- Council of dreams (Urctos (druid tank), Aerwynn (dryad), Pip (faerie dragon)
- Larodar, Keeper of the Flame
- Nymue, Weaver of the Cycle
- Smolderon
- Tindral Sageswift, Seer of the Flame
- Fyrakk the Blazing

[Cheezits]

The Dream is pretty much what we've seen ingame from the look of the zones, we were just hoping it was more than that.

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https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1699905426173649297

[Valysar]

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1699905426173649297

Next shop pack with tenders confirmed

[Santandame]

There is some unknown, Igira, Larodar, Nymue, a council and Fyrakk

Yeah, this is super underwhelming.

Nothing related to Xavius or the remnant of the Void? No dragon riders of Loreth’aran? Omen from the Lunar Festival getting some love? Gorak Tul or the Drust could have made a reappearance too.

Meh, I dunno. We waited years to get the Dream as content and it just feels underwhelming and a lot of missed opportunities.

I love the mythic+ dungeon pool though.

[micwini]

The Dream is pretty much what we've seen ingame from the look of the zones, we were just hoping it was more than that.

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https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1699905426173649297

Im actually glad it is exactly what it is supposed to be and from what we've seen earlier. Too often stuff get changed just to look "different than expected". Only thing im sad about is that I havent seen the floating trees with twirly roots yet from the original vanilla leaked zone

[Raetary]

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1699905426173649297

We'll likely get the set in the post raid content or something.

Honestly, the whole debacle around the recolor has been such a clusterfuck on Blizzards end.
Such grotesque lack of communication and management.

[Cheezits]

Nothing related to Xavius or the remnant of the Void? No dragon riders of Loreth’aran? Omen from the Lunar Festival getting some love? Gorak Tul or the Drust could have made a reappearance too.

This is the biggest omission so far and if they aren't part of the Dream Wardens that shit must be intentional. Maybe Loretharan was a sex offender dev's name or something.

Personally glad to be done with void for a second but no Satyrs at all is a weird omission. I feel like they have to be around.

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I think it's the same phenomenon we had when we first stepped foot in the Shadowlands. It feels weird that an allegedly spiritual realm of legend is some kind of place where people live and walk around just like in the normal world. But it's made worse by the fact that Ardenweald did feel otherwordly and spiritual, so it felt like they'd be able to give the Emerald Dream a similar treatment. But nope, it's pretty much like visiting any other Dragon Isles zone, except it uses Val'sharah assets.

Because what you're looking for is an expansion or patch they are scared shitless of doing (Lifelands). They COULD'VE rehauled the dream to be as interesting as Ardenweald but it looks like they are sticking to the idea of "the Dream is a copy, related to a magical Life world that's much cooler and unique".

[Santandame]

The Dream is pretty much what we've seen ingame from the look of the zones, we were just hoping it was more than that.

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https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1699905426173649297

I know, but it’s supposed to be Azeroth untouched by mortals. Which lends the belief that it would be this primordial, savage wilderness.

But what we’re seeing is an elven forest, I just wish it was more.

[Cheezits]

I'm guessing the big owl is Elune's lieutenant or messenger, and she won't actually appear but send a voicemail after the raid.

[Ersula]

Next shop pack with tenders confirmed

(bloodcurdling scream)

The website literally says its the reward from the heritage quest. They can't act like they had bigger things in mind for it. This is the equivalent to watering down your liquor.

Malfurion is still in Ardenweld. Lots of other notable characters appear in Patch 10.2 though!

Their dedication to not including Malufurion in druid/elune/nelf storylines is harrowing.

[Lady Atia]

The Grotto Netherwing Drake is indeed now a quest reward for anyone who didn't get him via the monthly reward track.

[Santandame]

In an ideal world we’d have gotten three zones like Argus.

One elven, one primordial like Un’goro and the last could have been a giant mushroom forest.

Oh well, I’ll get over it.

Still gutted about the dragon riders of loreth’aran and Xavius though.

What’s the size of the zone like?

[Cheezits]

In an ideal world we’d have gotten three zones like Argus.

I do think the size has more to do with the next expansion. I would say the third patch will be bigger, but with them heavily hinting there is no third zone, I'm guessing the 11.0 zones are a whopper. (Revamp?)

If this was Argus sized it would def be the last patch. But it's not, and it's also hinted to be the last zone, so...

[Yarathir]

The Grotto Netherwing Drake is indeed now a quest reward for anyone who didn't get him via the monthly reward track.

Makes sense, I guess.

Well, I mean, at some point. They have all these customizations for it in the files that it's basically its own Dragon Riding type like the others. I expected them to make it commonly available once all the customizations were in, though. So far for 10.2 it just seems two extra skin colors.

[Cheezits]

Makes sense, I guess.

Well, I mean, at some point. They have all these customizations for it in the files that it's basically its own Dragon Riding type like the others. I expected them to make it commonly available once all the customizations were in, though. So far for 10.2 it just seems two extra skin colors.

Probably reserved for the Outland Cup.

[Rhlor]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...-notes/1666552