Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Makorus]

So the new ring is interesting
It was a bit worrying at first but the fact they come from vaults and they can be exchanged is better than the feared Dom socket 2.0

It's also a great way to nerf content without actually nerfinh it

People losing their shit over an item that was introduced at the end of a season were being insanely unreasonable anyway. Like, who cares if there is borrowed power for the last months of a Season lmao.

[Revamp Man]

People losing their shit over an item that was introduced at the end of a season were being insanely unreasonable anyway. Like, who cares if there is borrowed power for the last months of a Season lmao.

It's because if they introduce a system that is the same as a past one that was hated then it shows they didn't learn

[Makabreska]

It's because if they introduce a system that is the same as a past one that was hated then it shows they didn't learn

Well, I suddenly saw quite a lot people here saying "bring back powers" on DF launch that I don't even know what is real any more. There is a group of people who will screech and throw tantrums over anything, like they did with Trading Post announcement.

So basically, business as usual.

[Revamp Man]

Well, I suddenly saw quite a lot people here saying "bring back powers" on DF launch that I don't even know what is real any more. There is a group of people who will screech and throw tantrums over anything, like they did with Trading Post announcement.

So basically, business as usual.

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I got a look at the new sto es and I gotta start farming that fire ring

[Hugnomo]

I've been thinking of a theory, but probably isn't worth creating a thread, and I think it probably fits in speculation for the next expansion.

So, we know that beings of Light, Void, Order, don't go to the Shadowlands when they die. Only Argus did, apparently because he was supercharged with death magic.
And that is kind of weird, considering Shadowlands whole thing is Death, and all things die.

There is one force that does end up in the Shadowlands, and that is Life. Creatures that are alive, of life, naturally go to the Shadowlands, a cycle that is emphasized in Ardenweald, death and rebirth, Life and Death.

That brings me to the naaru. Naaru, beings of the Light, become beings of the void when they die. That has been the case thus far, with L'ura in Argus, K'ara on Draenor.
So, and I speculate, it seems that Light and Void share cyclical similarities to Life and Death.

Could it then be, that when beings of Light die, they become Void. And when beings of the Void die, they become Light? Or ar atleast rebirthed into the Light?
Would that extend to the rest of the opposing cosmic forces. Like Order and Disorder? Afterall what is the death of Order if not Disorder? The death of Light if not Shadow?

Just something I was thinking about. And what the implications could be. Like dead old gods becoming a sort of biblically accurate light being.

I'm not saying anything as fact though, just fun speculation.

[Khaza-R]

I've been thinking of a theory, but probably isn't worth creating a thread, and I think it probably fits in speculation for the next expansion.

So, we know that beings of Light, Void, Order, don't go to the Shadowlands when they die. Only Argus did, apparently because he was supercharged with death magic.
And that is kind of weird, considering Shadowlands whole thing is Death, and all things die.

There is one force that does end up in the Shadowlands, and that is Life. Creatures that are alive, of life, naturally go to the Shadowlands, a cycle that is emphasized in Ardenweald, death and rebirth, Life and Death.

That brings me to the naaru. Naaru, beings of the Light, become beings of the void when they die. That has been the case thus far, with L'ura in Argus, K'ara on Draenor.
So, and I speculate, it seems that Light and Void share cyclical similarities to Life and Death.

Could it then be, that when beings of Light die, they become Void. And when beings of the Void die, they become Light? Or ar atleast rebirthed into the Light?
Would that extend to the rest of the opposing cosmic forces. Like Order and Disorder? Afterall what is the death of Order if not Disorder? The death of Light if not Shadow?

Just something I was thinking about. And what the implications could be. Like dead old gods becoming a sort of biblically accurate light being.

I'm not saying anything as fact though, just fun speculation.

Considering Life and Death were depicted as two serpents devouring one another in Shadowlands cosmology chart and the central facility being a word play on "Ouroboros", I assumed it was a plot point that was just skipped. My thoughts are the raw anima that souls are broken down to into the SLs are likely necessary for the lifelands (or whatever its called) to create new life. That at least would of made the story a little less bleak than what we got.

I guess the Light and Void could work the same way. But seems more likely they have their own special relationship. Naaru don't become void beings when they die but rather when they are drained of their energies.

[Nymrohd]

Considering Life and Death were depicted as two serpents devouring one another in Shadowlands cosmology chart and the central facility being a word play on "Ouroboros", I assumed it was a plot point that was just skipped. My thoughts are the raw anima that souls are broken down to into the SLs are likely necessary for the lifelands (or whatever its called) to create new life. That at least would of made the story a little less bleak than what we got.

I guess the Light and Void could work the same way. But seems more likely they have their own special relationship. Naaru don't become void beings when they die but rather when they are drained of their energies.

Wouldn't that mean that when all the souls started getting trapped in the Maw, we'd be having a lot of stillbirths?

[Berkilak]

Yeah can't say that boss was particularly memorable. I get the voice line but that's like asking if you remember who said "Ding"

I literally have never had anyone quote Morchok to me in all my years of playing. This is first time hearing about him being "quotable."

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Having finally read over the new lore for Orc Priests, I've got to say I like it. Tying it in to the Naaru at Oshu'gun is a good way of giving the Orcs a connection to the Light without diminishing their culture.

[Revamp Man]

I literally have never had anyone quote Morchok to me in all my years of playing. This is first time hearing about him being "quotable."

Being quotable isn't the only thing that makes a boss memorable

[BaumanKing]

Having finally read over the new lore for Orc Priests, I've got to say I like it. Tying it in to the Naaru at Oshu'gun is a good way of giving the Orcs a connection to the Light without diminishing their culture.

I'm very excited about this new lore. Unlike something like the void elves, this story is actually connected to established lore without diminishing orcish culture like you said. On the other hand, I'm a bit frustrated that if it wasn't for the backlash on the forums, Blizzard would have just added the orcs of the church of the holy light without a second thought. But at least I'm glad they heard the players.

[Nymrohd]

Having finally read over the new lore for Orc Priests, I've got to say I like it. Tying it in to the Naaru at Oshu'gun is a good way of giving the Orcs a connection to the Light without diminishing their culture.

Yeah it was handled in a pretty solid manner. I do wonder how it works for Disc and Shadow but that is a problem with the priest class in general where your player's identity seems to change completely every time you change spec. . .

[Lady Atia]

Yeah it was handled in a pretty solid manner. I do wonder how it works for Disc and Shadow but that is a problem with the priest class in general where your player's identity seems to change completely every time you change spec. . .

Shadow Priests can just use the same lore as the Maghar as in be from the Shadowmoon clan. A discipline priest would just use both origins and try to balance them.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Yeah it was handled in a pretty solid manner. I do wonder how it works for Disc and Shadow but that is a problem with the priest class in general where your player's identity seems to change completely every time you change spec. . .

In my mind, it's just due to the fluctuating state of the Naaru at Oshu'gun—although they were exposed directly to the Naaru's Light state, it had previously been diminished. As such, they are probably drawing on the Void as a scholarly opposite to the song they're investigating, not as a direct approach to the Void itself.

[Teriz]

My predictions;

11.0 Yrel/Light invasion from AU Draenor with Arrakoa (Alliance) and Ogres (Horde) being the new races for the expansion. Also be a nice tie in for WoW's 20th anniversary just like WoD tied in well with WoW's 10th anniversary.

Beyond that, I feel that an Undermine/Tinker expansion is inevitable, so at least one expansion will slot into that thematic. There really isn't much left future class-wise, and Blizzard always ties future classes to expansion theme. Also Undermine, like Dragon Isles was an original land mass idea from vanilla. An alternative to that could be a Titan-based continent where an Explorer class could be introduced. Such a class would fill the void of a Bardic-class in WoW.

[Raetary]

Yeah it was handled in a pretty solid manner. I do wonder how it works for Disc and Shadow but that is a problem with the priest class in general where your player's identity seems to change completely every time you change spec. . .

I mean, they got the Shadowmoon clan.
Shadow priests would just be following those teachings, or delving deeper.

[Nathanyel]

Wouldn't that mean that when all the souls started getting trapped in the Maw, we'd be having a lot of stillbirths?

Only if the delivery system had no "warehouses". And the idea of mass stillbirths would be a bit too grimdark for Warcraft.

Occam's Razor though, while the "Lifelands" likely were indirectly affected by the Anima Drought as well, it lasted only a maximum of 5 years (per this timeline) which is miniscule in a cosmic timeframe.

[Nymrohd]

Only if the delivery system had no "warehouses". And the idea of mass stillbirths would be a bit too grimdark for Warcraft.

Occam's Razor though, while the "Lifelands" likely were indirectly affected by the Anima Drought as well, it lasted only a maximum of 5 years (per this timeline) which is miniscule in a cosmic timeframe.

I'm inclined to agree but the speed at which Ardenweald withered doesn't really make me hopeful when it comes to the First Ones planning for supply disruptions.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

And the idea of mass stillbirths would be a bit too grimdark for Warcraft.

On this front I'm inclined to disagree—at the very least, it's considerably less grimdark when you consider the implications of nearly everybody who died within a five-year period being tortured and, if not saved in time, ceasing to exist entirely.

[Nathanyel]

On this front I'm inclined to disagree—at the very least, it's considerably less grimdark when you consider the implications of nearly everybody who died within a five-year period being tortured and, if not saved in time, ceasing to exist entirely.

Oh, the implications of Shadowlands were certainly grimmer than usual, not even shying away from showing that yes, even children die and go to the Shadowlands, but it dodged acknowledging this happening during mass killings - which would probably ruin the respective age ratings.