Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[RahEndymion]

My theory is that something happened to the first ones and they flung their souls into planets with a spell to be reborn in XXXXXX years. Maybe the Titans dont know they were first ones and lost their memory. Or maybe the Titans are an offshoot of first ones, or even rebellious children of the first ones.

I think it makes it more interesting if the Titans are related to the first ones in some way.

I think the idea that the titans are pre-planet first ones is super interesting and expansive. As though they require the life force / spirit / 'blood' of a planet to be reborn from the planet itself much in the way anima is utilized within shadowlands. It expands upon the lore while simultaneously keeping the mysterious aspects of their origins mysterious and creating more questions in terms of their downfall and what force would be able to cause such an outcome.

Though I am very cautious that this is starting to sound far too interesting for 2023 Blizzard.

[Cheezits]

Is the Eredar quest up?

[Marlamin]

Is the Eredar quest up?

In US, yes.

[Kiivar86]

In US, yes.

Good I was getting a little worried after seeing reports of the timer seemingly resetting to 7 days. Figured that was a bug though.

[Cheezits]

Who's working from home and can spoil it?

[Aucald]

Let's drop the random and derailing aside about the 13-year-old hat model and complaining about Twitter posts.

[Ersula]

I think the idea that the titans are pre-planet first ones is super interesting and expansive. As though they require the life force / spirit / 'blood' of a planet to be reborn from the planet itself much in the way anima is utilized within shadowlands. It expands upon the lore while simultaneously keeping the mysterious aspects of their origins mysterious and creating more questions in terms of their downfall and what force would be able to cause such an outcome.

Which doesn't make sense if you were planning an expansion about all the bad things the titans did. The Titans & Eternal Ones simply continue the First One's work. The First ones are the mysterious forces here.

All this for a wizard's hat, everything that is most classic in fantasy
I don't know how people can take this seriously

Like he said, the problem is that white supremacists within wow use the og white brimmed wizard hat as their trademark.

The best course of action would be to:
A.) Solidify the Titans as the real "First Ones" in the Game's Universe.
B.) Turn the Shadowlands into the Titan's own abandoned pet project.
C.) Make the creation of Dreadlords something the Titans never knew.
D.) Emerald Dream is Elunes domain, but something happened to her.

So just, undo all wow lore? Do you want the Draenei to corrupt Sargeras too?

[Kiivar86]

Who's working from home and can spoil it?

Checking elsewhere, found a thread on the official story forums:

-Relatively short
-Velen brings up mention of DKs and DHs in comparison to the man'ari eredar (regarding being repentant)
-Apparently we can go back to Argus, lore wise?
-Krokuul are involved with the defectors too. Maybe hope for them joining too in the future?

Also apparently Kil'jaeden could sense doubt in the minds of other eredar and would execute those who doubted.

[Cheezits]

Checking elsewhere, found a thread on the official story forums:

-Relatively short
-Velen brings up mention of DKs and DHs in comparison to the man'ari eredar (regarding being repentant)
-Apparently we can go back to Argus, lore wise?
-Krokuul are involved with the defectors too. Maybe hope for them joining too in the future?

Also apparently Kil'jaeden could sense doubt in the minds of other eredar and would execute those who doubted.

I had a feeling that would be the case, pretty cool to see and definitely sets them up as an AR.

[Sondrelk]

I had a feeling that would be the case, pretty cool to see and definitely sets them up as an AR.

We still have the actual Draenei Heritage questline still to come, so maybe then. Possibly just as another cosmetic option on regular Draenei rather than a full AR.

[Cheezits]

We still have the actual Draenei Heritage questline still to come, so maybe then. Possibly just as another cosmetic option on regular Draenei rather than a full AR.

Another cosmetic would be a bit much for them IMO, I think they may lean into the fanservice for a new bunch of ARs that at least have different models (so no tattoo races). This would work with them testing Jinyu.

Did we ever get female Krokuul models?

Or, like Dracs, Jinyu and Krokuul will have one model with a lot of customization. It would make sense for Jinyu.

[Teriz]

And all it takes is one not convinced Sundered Flame/Dark Iron to do something bad and jeopardize entire alliance. Of course there will be some Infinites who wont join forces, just like we had rebel Dark Irons (who tried to resurrect Rag) and Sundered Flames. But these alliances still stand. Blizz would not implement Eternus character with her quest lines and call Murozond threat to be over for any foreseeable future, if they didn't want to set up the unification. It is really in our face.

Eternus is more than likely added to give a more layered look to the infinite dragonflight instead of just having them be one-note villains. I wouldn't say that Eternus' existence suddenly means that the infinite dragonflight is no longer a threat. Further, their overwhelming presence in dragonflight gives an opening for them to do something that negatively effects us.

[Reive]

murozond and the infinite dragonflight were the lastest victims of steve danuser. imagine treating the most interesting plot point of the expansion like some shitty sidequest resolved in a cutscene with the power of friendship.

[Auxis]

We still have the actual Draenei Heritage questline still to come, so maybe then. Possibly just as another cosmetic option on regular Draenei rather than a full AR.

Strong possibility. The Argussian Reach broken leader uses a modified, partially mutated draenei model - still has fully formed hooves while his upper body has undergone the standard krokul mutations. Could quite easily be throwing together some broken customization options on the side for later on in the patch cycle.

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Quick story question: did they ever explain what that whispering scale artifact thing we found in Ohn'aran Plains was? It's obviously connected to Zaralekk and Aberrus, but I can't remember seeing if it was brought up again. Presumably just another of Neltharions experiments?

[Zers Editor]

Something I wonder: why Alexstrasza continues to refer to Tyr in a respectful manner/allows his return in spite of clearly knowing what he did and why?
Is it her all-loving nature or something else?

[Xilurm]

Something I wonder: why Alexstrasza continues to refer to Tyr in a respectful manner/allows his return in spite of clearly knowing what he did and why?
Is it her all-loving nature or something else?

They all do.

And Tyr was good. It's the fans that are overexaggerating everything lmao.

[Foolicious]

Quick story question: did they ever explain what that whispering scale artifact thing we found in Ohn'aran Plains was? It's obviously connected to Zaralekk and Aberrus, but I can't remember seeing if it was brought up again. Presumably just another of Neltharions experiments?

Not really. It may be an attempt to recreate the oathbinder after its destruction since it can control lesser dragons and has a severe influence on drac'thyr. It's never really explained, but its probably how sarkareth found out about aberrus when it whispered to the sundered flame.

[Cheezits]

Something I wonder: why Alexstrasza continues to refer to Tyr in a respectful manner/allows his return in spite of clearly knowing what he did and why?
Is it her all-loving nature or something else?

I don't think she, or we, know that it was Tyr that did it. The vault implies it but we don't know who exactly was responsible for the forced egg conversion.

[AngerFork]

Who's working from home and can spoil it?

Just did it, what do you need to know?

One side note: make sure you pick a character with some Veiled Argunite and send them some Legion Mats as well. There's a toy to buy afterwards for 900 Veiled Argunite, 90 Lightweave, and 90 Empyrium.

[Kiivar86]

I had a feeling that would be the case, pretty cool to see and definitely sets them up as an AR.

It sounds promising!

Reading wowhead's article about it, Hatuun is a bit bitter at Velen for essentially leaving again (though he softens by the end). We also recover a part of the Ata'mal crystal, the Brilliant Star (you may recall it from Rise of the Horde novel)

At the end you can also buy some stuff including the Path of the naaru hearthstone.