Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[huth]

Then how did the Primalists get their elemental power BEFORE they freed Razsageth and way before they freed the other Incarnates?

The Incarnates never gave the Primalists their power, there was only one instance where a Primalist received the power of one of the Incarnates (that wind boss in Vault of the Incarnates). She used to be a regular wind primalist night elf until she asked Raszageth for some of her power, and Raszageth only gave that one wind primalist a small amount but to a mortal, it was so much power that her body can barely be able to handle it.

The elements. Same place the Incarnates get their power from.

[Grazrug]

Because the simple psychology that people value new stuff for spending their $60 dollaridoos on a new expansion, the fact that all of the old world zones are accessible in game right now makes them less valued as a result. Particularly when one competitor is advertising "Let's go to Mexico!" and another just released "Come to the popular World of Books and Tentacles (as see in Skyrim)". The competitors are advertising New, you're paying the type of money that could get you several copies of indie games full of New content, and the last time WoW tried this, the New content, the main draw for endgame, was absolutely at the mercy of the rest of the game being updated.

Plus, as much as there is a revamp crew, there is an anti-revamp crew (who, honestly, probably have a fair few players jaded by Cata). This thread tends to run revamp positive, but there's plenty of folks just, not excited by the prospect of a revamp.

I am willing to have one less raid tier if it means the old world is updated to current lore.

[Murlocos]

They’re literally their main fighting force. I don’t know how people are getting this so twisted. They serve the Incarnates, they do their fighting, they do their bidding, they work to achieve the Incarnates goals, they have their loyalty.

Just like the following:

- The Twilights Hammer with the Old Gods
- The Legion with Sargeras
- The Scourge with the Lich King

And countless other enemies with their followers and armies. This entire argument is madness.

That's the issue I'm highlighting with my above post: why? They have no backstory detailing what drove them to their beliefs and to group up, nor a simple excuse of being brainwashed or otherwise subjugated. The Incarnates both see them as mere fodder and are apparently willing to ditch them without a second thought for other factions and groups. The entire character and purpose of the Primalists is "they serve the Incarnates", and now that the remaining Incarnates are ditching them with no fanfare, will they be given a satisfying reason to keep existing, or just disappear?

When this stuff feels so throwaway, it strains your suspension of disbelief, which has become a hallmark of the Danuser era of the story. When the new book that's titled as the Definitive Guide to Dragons opens with a disclaimer letting you know that everything within can be retconned at any time, it makes you wonder what the point of trying to take any of this seriously is if the writers can't even be bothered. It's the same feeling I had when listening to Sylvanas's speech in the heritage questline (Danuser said he wrote it on Twitter), and realizing that it only makes sense if she's speaking directly to the player who has read short stories that your character would have no access to. It's the feeling that you're trying to enjoy fiction, but the man refuses to get behind the curtain and hide himself.

If this the second paragraph of this post feels slightly deranged, it's because partway through I realized that Secrets of Azeroth gave us a literal cosmic mystery box and I never needed a Metzen expansion more than now.

[Santandame]

The elements. Same place the Incarnates get their power from.

And because they’re literally Shamans. Just as Huth has said - the elements. Why do the incarnates need to have given them power for them to serve them?

[Reive]

apparently cata classic has been datamined. do you think a world revamp for 11.0 is even more likely now?

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...72612898971687

[Marlamin]

apparently cata classic has been datamined. do you think a world revamp for 11.0 is even more likely now?

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...72612898971687

That is speculative datamining, not necessarily fact based so take it with a grain of salt for now.

[Sondrelk]

apparently cata classic has been datamined. do you think a world revamp for 11.0 is even more likely now?

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...72612898971687

A world revamp is so hard ot pin down in terms of arguments for or against that I just don't worry about it.

[Cheezits]

apparently cata classic has been datamined. do you think a world revamp for 11.0 is even more likely now?

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...72612898971687

Classic plus was never going to happen, so this was inevitable.

[Woggmer]

apparently cata classic has been datamined. do you think a world revamp for 11.0 is even more likely now?

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...72612898971687

I had a feeling it was coming, but I wonder if they'll add anything new to it or are they just going to repeat the same beats as previous expansions they are emulating?

I don't think anyone would want to get a repeat of Cata Heroics being nerfed to the ground to where it isn't as difficult like what happened nearly 10 years ago.

[Luck4]

A world revamp is so hard ot pin down in terms of arguments for or against that I just don't worry about it.

After reading Ion's interview on Gamespot, I don't feel the need to argue about it anymore.

Even if it doesn't happen in 11.0, now we know they're not afraid of doing it.

[Cheezits]

I had a feeling it was coming, but I wonder if they'll add anything new to it or are they just going to repeat the same beats as previous expansions they are emulating?

I don't think anyone would want to get a repeat of Cata Heroics being nerfed to the ground to where it isn't as difficult like what happened nearly 10 years ago.

Probably minor changes and tweaks like with Wrath.

[PaladinBash]

>Archeology revamped to work like Secret of Azeroth, with multiple tools for multiple tasks.

Not gonna lie, that'd be a whole lot better than running around STV for 3 years trying to build Zin'rokh.

[Woggmer]

Probably minor changes and tweaks like with Wrath.

Yeeaaaaah... knowing that Classic Wrath didn't go further with Azjol Nerub or bring in that one scrapped Zul'Drak raid.

Makes it evident that they won't bring back the scrapped Abyssal Maw raid.

[Cheezits]

Yeeaaaaah... knowing that Classic Wrath didn't go further with Azjol Nerub or bring in that one scrapped Zul'Drak raid.

Makes it evident that they won't bring back the scrapped Abyssal Maw raid.

Emerald Dream zone makes it apparent that they would rather revisit old concepts in retail than do Classic 2.0.

[Reive]

SPOILERS FOR 10.2. DON'T OPEN IF YOU CARE

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...92360818851847

[Cheezits]

SPOILERS FOR 10.2. DON'T OPEN IF YOU CARE

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...92360818851847

Titans who?

Also: IT'S OVER @Super Dickmann

[Reive]

Titans who?

titans bad

[Makabreska]

SPOILERS FOR 10.2. DON'T OPEN IF YOU CARE

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...92360818851847

big spoiler...

[ChairmanKaga]

Not gonna lie, that'd be a whole lot better than running around STV for 3 years trying to build Zin'rokh.

I did Arch in Cata until my eyes bled to get the AQ mount.

[Xilurm]

Titans who?

Also: IT'S OVER @Super Dickmann

Ok, thank fuck...