Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

3.) The rewards being lackluster.

I'd disagree with that. The mogs you'd get from Heroic Warfronts are amazing.

[Sondrelk]

Does anybody else think Blizzard should do a small overhaul of the character race system in the near future?

I just think it's a big bess with Allied Races, and the various customisation options added in Shadowlands and Dragonflight.

It would be amazing if they streamlined it, so you had the following races:

• Human
• Dwarf
• Kaldorei
• Gnome
• Eredar
• Pandaren
• Dracthyr
• Orc
• Tauren
• Troll
• Quel'dorei
• Goblin
• Vulpera

Then as you click each race, you see different "sub races" (for lack of a better word). You can pick a backstory, nation or culture, which opens up for example "Stormwindians", Kul Tiran, Worgen and Forsaken. Obviously some will be faction-locked. Your racial abilities might be locked to your chosen "sub race" for the easy route, or they could have a sort of talent tree similar to the PvP talent tree, which lets you select from a few depending on the race you chose.

As an added bonus, this could open up the ability to easily add more flavour in the future, and to open up some current restrictions. For example, they could give Wildhammer Dwarves some more attention, as well as San'layn elves. There might even be a new form of Lordaeronians that join the Alliance (backstory-wise) or a more neutral form of Quel'dorei (High Elves) that either side can pick.

I imagine racials are the difficult part to balance properly against eachother. Some races have several flavor racials, some have one. Some have several utility or DPS racials, some have just one big one. How do you for instance balance a big utility racial like Shadowmeld or EMFH?

Maybe it could work, but I think racials in general would need to be more homogenized for it to work.

[Nymrohd]

Hi, I have a genuine question. Is there any map in recent history that has Tel'abim marked off on a map.



Just wanted to see if anyone has the original source for such a map, thanks.

It is in the chronicle map. It's not marked but an island appears in the location we know Tel'abim is at.

[Izalla]

Again, that's cool and I hope they keep making more of the content you enjoy.

For me, part of the allure of fishing as it currently works is precisely that is is fairly brain dead. It's not the activity itself that matters most, but that you're out in nature doing it, getting all immersed by the music and the landscape. Pretty much like fishing with a simple rod and bobber by a lake IRL, which is different from sportfishing.

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Agreed, yeah.

If you got 1-5 renown for every fish fished out of a pool, or something as simple as that, I would actually have maxed a renown by now. I've not got any of them higher than 13 I think...

And I don't mean I've already done enough fishing for that. I mean I would have been fishing this whole time instead of just once in a while. I like fishing as it is right now. I just don't need the fish.

[Marlamin]

Just wondering what the source of this asset is.

(Again, I was only curious because I've never seen Tel'abim marked off before and its a Modern WoW style map.)

As far as I can tell from checking everything this is the first time I've seen Tel'abims Island blob named with a Continent font.

Fan-made art.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Yeah, I found it my bad. I am really sorry about that.

I was like "Uh, Blizzard has never marked Tel'abim. So I was like just curious to fact check it."

[Raetary]

Does anybody else think Blizzard should do a small overhaul of the character race system in the near future?

I just think it's a big bess with Allied Races, and the various customisation options added in Shadowlands and Dragonflight.

It would be amazing if they streamlined it, so you had the following races:

• Human
• Dwarf
• Kaldorei
• Gnome
• Eredar
• Pandaren
• Dracthyr
• Orc
• Tauren
• Troll
• Quel'dorei
• Goblin
• Vulpera

Then as you click each race, you see different "sub races" (for lack of a better word). You can pick a backstory, nation or culture, which opens up for example "Stormwindians", Kul Tiran, Worgen and Forsaken. Obviously some will be faction-locked. Your racial abilities might be locked to your chosen "sub race" for the easy route, or they could have a sort of talent tree similar to the PvP talent tree, which lets you select from a few depending on the race you chose.

As an added bonus, this could open up the ability to easily add more flavour in the future, and to open up some current restrictions. For example, they could give Wildhammer Dwarves some more attention, as well as San'layn elves. There might even be a new form of Lordaeronians that join the Alliance (backstory-wise) or a more neutral form of Quel'dorei (High Elves) that either side can pick.

The problem is that at this point they have several races that have multiple/all of their distinct cultural groups mashed together into a single race option that i don't see how they could possibly seperate and categorize them without upsetting a truckload of people.

Also, regardless of whether or not CFP is a thing, they'll likely never get rid of the factions prominence on the character creation screen.
So they have to either add or mash options together just to have the UI balanced on both sides.

[Catastrophy349]

47 days until Blizzcon! Get HYPE! 11.0! 11.0!

[Woggmer]

For the next couple of weeks, we're in this weird bubble between the hype from 10.2's PTR diminishing, and BlizzCon's marketing picking up.

Then we head into the Harvest Festival, Turbulent Timeways, Brewfest, Cataclysm Timewalking, Eastern Kingdoms Cup, and Hallow's End all within a couple of weeks. That's when it all starts to get exciting again, really.

I'd dismiss the Harvest Festival stuff... that in-game holiday doesn't give a lot other than food (and not even the kind that gives buffs) it was sort of a holiday Blizz just abandoned.

Everything else is kinda exciting especially Hallow's End which got significant changes.

[Cheezits]

I found it odd that there are a lot of Hallows End revamped assets that didn't make it into 10.1.7, but are in the 10.2 files.

Like what are the implications? They need a new phase? Assets that couldn't get done in time?

[Hitei]

As I am not illiterate and recognize extremely common root words of the english language, you are by no means required to clarify these meanings to me.

While I caught the root word of Vindicaar, I actually didn't catch that Xenedar was drawing from "xeno" because that draws from a descriptive word as opposed to implying a course of action. Regardless, "fairly meaningless" was a miscommunication: my sentiment would've been better communicated with "unthemed" or "disjointed". My central sentiment is that maintaining a Biblical naming scheme would be better than affixing a prefix loosely connected to some general quality of the vessel.

My point wasn't to belittle your knowledge, it was that ultimately Genesis and Exodus are also greek/latin roots. As the names of the first two books of the bible they work very well as thematic names for a pair of ships--they reference a pair of books but also have very strong English implications that are readily understood, but as Nymrohd pointed out, this isn't an infinite well. They stand out as two specific really convenient examples, but something like Leviticus, even putting aside its unsavory associations, does not work well, nor do the next ~20 book names, and Ecclesedar and Lamenedar don't exactly hit with the same poignancy as Genedar and Exodar.

So they just went with latin/greek roots for ship purposes rather than attempting to force wonkier names or doubling down on the references and switching over to super explicit and direct name based things like Nazedar or Sinedar or something.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

My point wasn't to belittle your knowledge,

Admittedly, that's my fault for being unnecessarily defensive. Apologies for that, that was stupidly hasty of me to infer.

but something like Leviticus, even putting aside its unsavory associations,

Not sure those unsavory associations would be the first thoughts of most, though I suppose certain degrading externalities and purveyors of externalities have a habit of inducing a flawed image of things.

it was that ultimately Genesis and Exodus are also greek/latin roots. As the names of the first two books of the bible they work very well as thematic names for a pair of ships--they reference a pair of books but also have very strong English implications that are readily understood, but as Nymrohd pointed out, this isn't an infinite well. They stand out as two specific really convenient examples, ( . . . ) does not work well, nor do the next ~20 book names, and Ecclesedar and Lamenedar don't exactly hit with the same poignancy as Genedar and Exodar.

So they just went with latin/greek roots for ship purposes rather than attempting to force wonkier names or doubling down on the references and switching over to super explicit and direct name based things like Nazedar or Sinedar or something.

In retrospect, you and @Nymrohd are likely right. Perhaps it would be a bit difficult to stretch out that motif for very long, and it's not as if the current names aren't serviceable. I'm going to put this down as myself being too unwilling to accept even inevitable deviation from prior precedent. There's a good number of cases where deviation from the established motifs might become excessive or jarring, but this is probably not one of them.

Nazedar has a bit of a nice ring, though.

[flan1337]

47 days until Blizzcon! Get HYPE! 11.0! 11.0!

47 days until I make the travel to my own Mecca (Blizzcon)

[Woggmer]

I found it odd that there are a lot of Hallows End revamped assets that didn't make it into 10.1.7, but are in the 10.2 files.

Like what are the implications? They need a new phase? Assets that couldn't get done in time?

If it is a revamp coming in the next expansion, they probably want to get the holiday ones out of the way in DF than to have it be a headache during actual development.

That's just my guess at least.

[Skildar]

I would expect 10.2 to be released before Hallow's end start as 10.1.7 shouldn't last more than 8weeks and 10.0.7 lasted 6weeks.

If they do it like 10.0.7 then 10.2 would be released with its first week being Hallow's end start.

I didn't check how long was 10.1 ptr testing compared to when 10.2 ptr testing started

[Sondrelk]

I would expect 10.2 to be released before Hallow's end start as 10.1.7 shouldn't last more than 8weeks and 10.0.7 lasted 6weeks.

If they do it like 10.0.7 then 10.2 would be released with its first week being Hallow's end start.

I didn't check how long was 10.1 ptr testing compared to when 10.2 ptr testing started

8 weeks feels about right for this patch. Two full rotations of Dreamsurges to go through all the zones twice.

Would certainly be nice to have it out before Hallows End though.

[Fahrad Wagner]

I would expect 10.2 to be released before Hallow's end start as 10.1.7 shouldn't last more than 8weeks and 10.0.7 lasted 6weeks.

If they do it like 10.0.7 then 10.2 would be released with its first week being Hallow's end start.

I didn't check how long was 10.1 ptr testing compared to when 10.2 ptr testing started

Do you think we're aiming at an October 11th/18th release then?

[Lady Atia]

Do you think we're aiming at an October 11th/18th release then?

No way. Turbulent Timeways goes all through October, same with the second Dreamsurge rotation. Besides that, the PTR is in quite a messy state right now. We also had a similiar case with vinter weil where we didn't get some updates until the year after it was added to a PTR btw.

Also they would have issued an end of season warning already if they wanted to release it that soon.

[Reive]

patch 10.2 is definitely coming out before the blizzcon

[dCaptain]

Do you think we're aiming at an October 11th/18th release then?

Final raid test scheduled for 10.2 on the PTR is currently on October 13th. So one could assume it will release roughly 2-3 weeks after that.