Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Santandame]

Cant believe so many people in this thread are taking Towelie’s word as gospel. Some of you are so gullible.

[Marlamin]

Datamining for the new PTR build is coming up, fwiw.

Cant believe so many people in this country bread are taking Towelie’s word as gospel. Some of you are so gullible.

Stop this. Not again.

[Sondrelk]

No, because Undermine isn't controlled by the Bildgewater cartel, it's controlled by the Trade Coalition, which is a group of neutral goblin trade princes. Gazlowe's Bildgewater cartel is with the Horde, but the other goblin cartels and companies are not.

In addition, Blizzard originally conceived Undermine as a continent-sized landmass. It's unclear if they'd conceive it that way now, but if we're going on history, I would lean in the direction of Undermine being a continent.

Sure, but they also concieved the Dragon Isles as a dragon shaped peninsula north of Tirisfal, and look what we have now.

Also you don't need to have Undermine be technically controlled by the Bilgewater Goblins, just have it be their main hub. Wouldnt be the first time a faction city isnt fully controlled by the faction.

[Santandame]

Would be awful. But then again, I don't think I would be excited for anything but something directly up my alley like a world revamp. A true South Seas expansion maybe, but all the best ideas for that were already done in BfA, and the ones that wasnt people don't seem to like, true underwater zones like Vashj'ir for instance.

Except they weren’t. Our own customisable ships weren’t in BfA. Nor was content in BfA on the sea with our ships like naval battles, sea monster attacks etc or randomly generated islands. The only South Seas island in BfA was Zandalar. No Tel’Abim, no Kezan, or Plunder Isle, or Hiji.

I don’t know where this nonsense that BfA was the South Seas expansion started or why people here continue to perpetuate it.

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Datamining for the new PTR build is coming up, fwiw.



Stop this. Not again.

Yeah not sure where country bread came from. But blame the countless people here who seem to have resigned to the fact it’s true for 11.0.

[micwini]

Datamining for the new PTR build is coming up, fwiw.



Stop this. Not again.

I mean it helps if this stuff is posted to people who first start bringing it up. I agree with you, it's really annoying.

[Cheezits]

I don't think you and Marlamin are saying the same thing...

Looks like they are making the Ember Court daily!

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No, because Undermine isn't controlled by the Bildgewater cartel, it's controlled by the Trade Coalition, which is a group of neutral goblin trade princes. Gazlowe's Bildgewater cartel is with the Horde, but the other goblin cartels and companies are not.

In addition, Blizzard originally conceived Undermine as a continent-sized landmass. It's unclear if they'd conceive it that way now, but if we're going on history, I would lean in the direction of Undermine being a continent.

Gazlowe "merging with" the Bilgewater may be a hint that the Goblin Cartels are going to unionize anyway, so they would eventually all work out of Undermine.


also, a very interesting back item labeled "cape_special_terrarium"

[Marlamin]

I mean it helps if this stuff is posted to people who first start bringing it up. I agree with you, it's really annoying.

It's fine to bring up what content creators say, take it as any other speculation regardless whether or not you believe they have any actual intel, the constant "haha content creators dont know shit" or "x was wrong/right in the past" bickering is what annoys me.

[Sondrelk]

Except they weren’t. Our own customisable ships weren’t in BfA. Nor was content on BfA on the sea or randomly generated islands. The only South Seas island in BfA was Zandalar. No Tel’Abim, no Kezan, or Plunder Isle, or Hiji.

I don’t know where this nonsense that BfA was the South Seas expansion started or why people here continue to perpetuate it.

Well for one both Zandalar and Nazjatar were big draws for a South Seas. But even then you still have Kul Tiras and Broken Shore mentioned as a likely part of it. People said South Seas, but what they always meant was "all the various islands between EK and Kalimdor".

And yes, customizable ships were not a thing in BfA, but island hopping was. Island expeditions are exactly the randomly generated islands you are talking about. It was done terribly, but the point still stands.

All you ahve left are the auxillary islands that were mentioned as filler to the big important locations. Plunder Isle maybe, but Tel'Abim? That island is only known for a brief bit of funny text regarding possibly sentient bananas. If you count that as a major draw then you might as well just make stuff up entirely. The only thing Tel'abim has is the recognizable name.

[micwini]

I don't think you and Marlamin are saying the same thing...

Looks like they are making the Ember Court daily!

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Gazlowe "merging with" the Bilgewater may be a hint that the Goblin Cartels are going to unionize anyway, so they would eventually all work out of Undermine.

Man I would hate that. Im getting really annoyed by current writers infusing current real world political trends into the game lore. It's the most immersive breaking thing they have done the last few expansions.

Goblins are supposed to be obsessed with money and profit, which means competing and cartels and shit.

[Woggmer]

Because some posters on WoW forum get triggered when you bring up anything dealing with Gnomes and Goblins.

The reality is that Undermine is one of the major locations of Warcraft. It really should be in the game as a place for players to visit, because there's really no place like it in the WC franchise. People are really being shortsighted when it comes to the potential this expansion could have. With Goblins and technology attached to the theme, you could really go pretty wild with the zone diversity. The WoW RPG describes it as follows;



https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Undermine

Interestingly, an article came out 12 years ago that talked about future WoW expansion locations; Undermine, Pandaria, and Broken Isles. Undermine remains the only location on that list that we haven't visited yet.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/2011-...-pandaria.html

Mhm. I guess it would depend if there's another way to get inside the Undermine, because the volcano in Kezan destroyed Bilgewater Port.. and we don't know how much of the city is destroyed or intact from the Cataclysm.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Gazlowe "merging with" the Bilgewater may be a hint that the Goblin Cartels are going to unionize anyway, so they would eventually all work out of Undermine.

Blizzard writing anything pro-union would be ironic. I wonder if the writers are trying to slip something through.

Edit: misread. Sounds like you mean that they'd form a conglomerate, not that they'd unionize. I don't like the implications of that. Feels like monopolist propaganda unless the end result is their economy stagnating and products becoming garbage due to a lack of competition.

[Sondrelk]

Mhm. I guess it would depend if there's another way to get inside the Undermine, because the volcano in Kezan destroyed Bilgewater Port.. and we don't know how much of the city is destroyed or intact from the Cataclysm.

The Motherlode dungeon in BfA was supposedly set on Kezan, so we know that the island is at least partially inhabitable.

[Cheezits]

Blizzard writing anything pro-union would be ironic. I wonder if the writers are trying to slip something through.

Edit: misread. Sounds like you mean that they'd form a conglomerate, not that they'd unionize. I don't like the implications of that. Feels like monopolist propaganda unless the end result is their economy stagnating and products becoming garbage due to a lack of competition.

More thinking that a "we need to unite the goblin clans" fits into standard MMO campaign structure over anything IRL.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Man I would hate that. Im getting really annoyed by current writers infusing current real world political trends into the game lore. It's the most immersive breaking thing they have done the last few expansions.

I can't tell if you're reading his use of "unionization" as referring to actual unionization or all the cartels merging. I dislike the idea of the cartels merging, but I think having some of them actually have unions would be an interesting way of contrasting the better and worse manifestations of capitalism.

More thinking that a "we need to unite the goblin clans" fits into standard MMO campaign structure over anything IRL.

Ahh, I see. That sounds pretty awful to me. I'd definitely not be for it.

[Nebron]

If Undermine was a thing, how do you think would they manage the light?

[rainhard]

The azerite ceiling cave zone could work, make it glow yellow in the morning and blueish at night, make it full of vegetation and wildlife that has lived due to the azerite, for another zone they can also add 2d art ceiling similar to Elden Ring but with the cosmic void thingies instead of the star, and lastly make the other zone more like its a fresh cave that has been mined either by goblin gnomes or a titan base or qiraji pathways whatever. there could even be a cave zone with a sealike thing as the crater of azeroth. The zones could also be connected in a circle shape 3d and all that signifying we are in the crater.

[Santandame]

Well for one both Zandalar and Nazjatar were big draws for a South Seas. But even then you still have Kul Tiras and Broken Shore mentioned as a likely part of it. People said South Seas, but what they always meant was "all the various islands between EK and Kalimdor".

And yes, customizable ships were not a thing in BfA, but island hopping was. Island expeditions are exactly the randomly generated islands you are talking about. It was done terribly, but the point still stands.

All you ahve left are the auxillary islands that were mentioned as filler to the big important locations. Plunder Isle maybe, but Tel'Abim? That island is only known for a brief bit of funny text regarding possibly sentient bananas. If you count that as a major draw then you might as well just make stuff up entirely. The only thing Tel'abim has is the recognizable name.

Kul Tiras and the Broken Isles aren’t the South Seas though. They’re literally in the north. The premise of the South Seas was one that would be tropical island based. Kul Tiras and the Broken Isles were never described as such.

No, they are not the randomly generated islands I am talking about; not at all. One would have been sailing around on our boats as different islands pop up to explore with various different bits of content attached. The other was essentially a race against the clock kill and loot style game. They are both completely different. You cannot compare the two. It was more along the lines of exploration - not what we got in the slightest. Think Sea of Thieves.

Regardless of whether you deem those locations as important, they’re still known and established locations in lore that we figured we would explore one day. Just like literally every other location mentioned within the game or the lore.

Nazjatar yes. But no one had faction war, mecha gnomes, witches, emerald dream corruption etc down for their South Seas concepts.

The South Seas concept was always travelling tropical islands on our own boats. The sense of a whimsical, fun adventure which would also feature Azshara and the Naga. BfA sans Azshara and Nazjatar certainly was not that.

Once again, the notion that BfA was the South Seas expansion is total and complete utter bollocks.

[Baraden]

Really wish people would stop spreading this nonsense.

Kul Tiras
Zandalar
ISLAND expeditions
Heavy focus on pirates and ships
Look on Azeroth's map where Zandalar is

It was the South Seas expansion, cope

[Santandame]

Kul Tiras
Zandalar
ISLAND expeditions
Heavy focus on pirates and ships
Look on Azeroth's map where Zandalar is

It was the South Seas expansion, cope

-Kul Tiras isn’t the South Seas. It’s literally in the north of the Eastern Kingdoms.
-The only real focus on ships was in the Kul Tiras campaign and the opening for Battle of Dazar’alor.
-One dungeon and two chapters of one zones campaign dedicated to pirates - heavy focus?
-I’ve made my point regarding island expeditions clear.
-Zandalar is the only location there in the South Seas.

Was Pandaria the South Seas expansion prior to BfA? That had literal islands in the South Sea that we visited. Pandaria is based in the South Seas. It had a fair few boats too.

Hey, at least you got one thing right mate.

[huth]

Kul Tiras
Zandalar
ISLAND expeditions
Heavy focus on pirates and ships
Look on Azeroth's map where Zandalar is

It was the South Seas expansion, cope

Kul Tiras is not south seas. Most of the islands weren't, either. There was no heavy focus on pirates or ships. And Zandalar only counts once.

So you have all of one point in favour, that's not very impressive.