Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nyel]

I would love to see something unconventional happening. Like one incarnate switching sides and regretting the war like alextrasza hoped would happen. Or something crazy like in the drakthyr starting area with one vault being full of dead dragons because of lack of air.
Or we won't meet the other two incarnates at all because iridikron ate them.

But realistically we'll get a council fight with all three next raid.

If we reforge Tyr we basically could... empower another Incarnate to become an Aspect, couldn't we? Now that would be a nice plot twist.

A council fight sounds interesting but makes little sense unless the other Incarnates are weaker than Raszageth. Struggling with one Incarnate just to further fight three of them at once sounds like a major plothole imho.

[Makabreska]

Merithra becoming the green aspect?

A child of Ysera taking the mantle after her death is such a shocking and unexpected thing? Nope.

[Northelim]

All of this regarding the Void feels way too fast...

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I doubt we'll deal with the Void Lords before K'aresh, the Realm of Order, etc...

That should be its own thing entire. Also a sequel to Pandaria? Really? Maybe 11.0 can be about the Elementals, that's a neat idea. But I doubt it...

Elaborate please what you mean by too fast? How so exactly?

[Cheezits]

I think the only person with green eyes at the moment is still Malfurion. Which is a purposeful change, as he didn't use to have green eyes. Unless Merithra does?

Either that green eyes thing is a dropped plot point, Malfurion is truly treacherous (doubt, unless there's a huge twist) or a veeeeery far planned plot beat (note: the Nathrezim book mentioned that they have agents in the Life Realm). We haven't had that many Life characters introduced besides the Winter Queen and the Court of Night (who are primarily Death anyway) so we may be taking a trip into the Life Realm in the future.

[Gurahk]

A child of Ysera taking the mantle after her death is such a shocking and unexpected thing? Nope.

It was shocking because they put Ysera in all promotional material, loading screens, gave both her forms new models e.t.c.
Merithra got absolutely nothing.

[Black Rider]

Is it time to start some Il'gynoth speculation? I think it is!

Five lanterns now darkened. The flames they seek will light the Masters' way. + Five keys to open our way. Five torches to light our path.
This has always been speculated to be about the dragonflights. But this time we have the oathstones that return the full power of the dragons. Which paves the way for Murozond and maybe some timey stuff to bring back old gods or the void.

The lord of ravens will turn the key.
Speaking of oathstones. We have khadgar back in this expansion, but i'm pretty sure now that its about odyn. There is a mother oathstone, a titan relict most likely, that has to be activated to turn the dragons to aspects. Who is better suited to activate such a powerful machine than the prime designate? He would need a lot of convincing to do this and sure doesn't mind what we mortals or the dragons want, but his best pal tyr is making a comeback and could have some good arguments.

From the earth, he draws strength. Our earth. Our strength.
Iridikron the primal incarnate of earth. He is described in a similar way to galakrond which we know now was corrupted by the old gods. From the story of deathwing we know how dangerous it is to be connected to the earth and spending a lot of time underground.

The vassal of life disguises treachery. Beware the eyes of green.
Just including this because Ysera has now blue eyes. Just like mer
ithra. Alextrasza who could also fit has orange/yellow eyes. I'm waiting to see what colour tyrs eyes have once he's back fully.

Its surface blazes bright, masking shadows below.
Could be about the watersource under tyrs hold. The halls of infusion are literally a filtration system that was build on top of some old god soup.


The old gods have always been somewhat prophetic or almost all knowing so its not really a suprise they would really know who we are. Even though i always thought this may be because of the nature of the void they may be more closely connected to the infinites that we previously assumed. There is also some good stuff about xal'atath, but for now the post is long enough.

Also just replayed the chromie quest and noticed poor al'akir is a level 39 elite while the other elemental lords are bosses

I like this kind of things but what about puzzle box of yogg'saron?
Are his and Il'gonoth's predictions all decrypted?

[Cheezits]

It was shocking because they put Ysera in all promotional material, loading screens, gave both her forms new models e.t.c.
Merithra got absolutely nothing.

Loading screen is the biggest dragons around for each flight. Lorewise it would make zero sense for Ysera, a spirit tethered to an afterlife/soulbound to a Death Goddess, to be officially free and able to defend Azeroth permanently.

It's kind of like "Sylvanas gets off scott free": just because the fanbase kept saying it will happen doesn't mean it makes sense.

[Chickat]

There were some datamining suggesting underground 10.1 if I remember correctly. Most obvious thing would be reusing Dracthyr island though, especially if we expect 10.1 in reasonable time.

So imo raids will be Raszageth -> Incarnates (I would love 2 smaller raids + megadungeon for them) -> Galakrond (time travel patch) -> Nozdormu goes mad.

A 4 boss raid, 5 boss raid, and an 8 boss mega dungeon with the 10.1 zone being the Evoker island as the smaller mechagon style one and an underground zone thats larger.

[Cheezits]

I think Murozond makes it into later expansions, they have said that they are writing multi-expansion arcs again and aside from the World Tree 2.0 I don't see much carrying over besides him. Besides, we can't kill him as he needs to survive long enough to go back to Cataclysm.

Galakrond as the final boss being something he throws at us before he leaves would make sense IMO.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

It was shocking because they put Ysera in all promotional material, loading screens, gave both her forms new models e.t.c.
Merithra got absolutely nothing.

This does also casts some doubts on Wrathion's certainty of becoming the new Earthwarder, so it was very cool we saw that being in promo materials doesn't mean you are gonna be an Aspect.

Wrathion has been so gung ho that this is his *destiny* that perhaps it does make sense there's a subversion there and Sabellian takes the role.

Who knows, maybe Wrathion's arc about selflessness and he becomes the new Aspect of Life after Alexstrasza.

[Sondrelk]

A 4 boss raid, 5 boss raid, and an 8 boss mega dungeon with the 10.1 zone being the Evoker island as the smaller mechagon style one and an underground zone thats larger.

I wouldn't expect a fully fledged new zone for 10.1. If nothing else because it would be wasteful to not use the zones we already have to their full potential. The first patch usually only lasts 3-4 months, as compared to the later patches gong on for half a year.

[Berkilak]

I wouldn't expect a fully fledged new zone for 10.1. If nothing else because it would be wasteful to not use the zones we already have to their full potential. The first patch usually only lasts 3-4 months, as compared to the later patches gong on for half a year.

What's the 2022 equivalent of a selfie?

[Sondrelk]

What's the 2022 equivalent of a selfie?

I dunno. It wasnt just that the Selfie patch was bad, but that it didnt fix anything with WoD.
Being generous on that patch though, it was the last expansion where the second raid was truly a "launch" raid. Nighthold was known at the beginning, but it was also very clearly a 7.1 feature. The Selfie Cam patch could be argued to have contained the raid.

I suppose that to have a patch that bad in Dragonflight would require stuff like making open world content pointless, and to add a feature that noone cared to want, like being able to link Battle.net to Youtube to link videos in chat or something.

[Chickat]

I wouldn't expect a fully fledged new zone for 10.1. If nothing else because it would be wasteful to not use the zones we already have to their full potential. The first patch usually only lasts 3-4 months, as compared to the later patches gong on for half a year.

Only reason I even say that is because of the leaked devmap that says Underground zone DONT RELEASE until 10.1.

[Sondrelk]

Only reason I even say that is because of the leaked devmap that says Underground zone DONT RELEASE until 10.1.

Ohh yeah, forgot about that. My guess then would be a smaller zone, possibly even just to contain a dungeon or raid entrance. I imagine it might be related to Iridikron, and somehow showing off why he is seemingly the most dangerous incarnate.

[Revamp Man]

Is it time to start some Il'gynoth speculation? I think it is!

Five lanterns now darkened. The flames they seek will light the Masters' way. + Five keys to open our way. Five torches to light our path.
This has always been speculated to be about the dragonflights. But this time we have the oathstones that return the full power of the dragons. Which paves the way for Murozond and maybe some timey stuff to bring back old gods or the void.

The lord of ravens will turn the key.
Speaking of oathstones. We have khadgar back in this expansion, but i'm pretty sure now that its about odyn. There is a mother oathstone, a titan relict most likely, that has to be activated to turn the dragons to aspects. Who is better suited to activate such a powerful machine than the prime designate? He would need a lot of convincing to do this and sure doesn't mind what we mortals or the dragons want, but his best pal tyr is making a comeback and could have some good arguments.

From the earth, he draws strength. Our earth. Our strength.
Iridikron the primal incarnate of earth. He is described in a similar way to galakrond which we know now was corrupted by the old gods. From the story of deathwing we know how dangerous it is to be connected to the earth and spending a lot of time underground.

The vassal of life disguises treachery. Beware the eyes of green.
Just including this because Ysera has now blue eyes. Just like mer
ithra. Alextrasza who could also fit has orange/yellow eyes. I'm waiting to see what colour tyrs eyes have once he's back fully.

Its surface blazes bright, masking shadows below.
Could be about the watersource under tyrs hold. The halls of infusion are literally a filtration system that was build on top of some old god soup.


The old gods have always been somewhat prophetic or almost all knowing so its not really a suprise they would really know who we are. Even though i always thought this may be because of the nature of the void they may be more closely connected to the infinites that we previously assumed. There is also some good stuff about xal'atath, but for now the post is long enough.

Also just replayed the chromie quest and noticed poor al'akir is a level 39 elite while the other elemental lords are bosses

just pointing out malf eyes are now green

[Nyel]

I wouldn't expect a fully fledged new zone for 10.1. If nothing else because it would be wasteful to not use the zones we already have to their full potential. The first patch usually only lasts 3-4 months, as compared to the later patches gong on for half a year.

Then they can give us either the island chain west of Ohnahra or the Dracthyr starting zone (I hope it's the former).

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Only reason I even say that is because of the leaked devmap that says Underground zone DONT RELEASE until 10.1.

What leaked devmap?

[Aerisot]

10.1 Underground - Fight Earth Incarnate

10.2 Flame and Ice Incarnates duel mini raids or mega dungeon

10.3 Birth of the infinites? - With a little twist though, I think Chromie will have be the real leader of the infinites this entire time and will be the last boss of this expansion, after spending so much time with Chromie and learning all her tricks on how to stop and rewind time in order to save herself, we learn a few tricks to beable to stop her, which will lead to us defeating her and Nozdormu never turning into Murozond, which will usher in a paradox, ending on a hell of a cliffhanger, and leading us to....

11.0 - The Hour of Twilight.

[Joszef Kiprich]

Then they can give us either the island chain west of Ohnahra or the Dracthyr starting zone (I hope it's the former).

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What leaked devmap?

You can fly to that island chain, no really usable terrain over there.

[Nyel]

You can fly to that island chain, no really usable terrain over there.

Ah, didn't know about that. Then I find it weird we have such a distinct island on the map with nothing going on there.