Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Catastrophy349]

I can genuinely say that I haven't looked into any of the story for 10.2, so no clue what direction things are moving (which is nice). However, I am hopeful for Blizzcon. Looking forward to this channel blowing up positively (I pray it's not negatively).

[Santandame]

I'm not going to go in circles with you, I've pointed out numerous reasons why any potential south seas expansion features were co-opted into BFA, you either selectively regard certain point as irrelevant

If you want to be deliberately dishonest and argue that BFA didn't have heavy nautical and ocean based themes then that's on you - until they release an expansion explicitly called "South Seas", you'll only be ignoring objective evidence to hold your view

Because every argument you contended was ripped apart. The only thing you had gotten right was Zandalar being in the South Seas.

The only person in this situation who is being deliberately dishonest is your good self.

[Kiivar86]

Have we discussed that Ragnaros's Heart got an item icon datamined this build?

Maybe... someone plugged his heart into Smolderon, and its a body snatcher thing?

It also mentions Shadowflame, so I was figuring maybe something to do with the axe legendary.

[Santandame]

I can genuinely say that I haven't looked into any of the story for 10.2, so no clue what direction things are moving (which is nice). However, I am hopeful for Blizzcon. Looking forward to this channel blowing up positively (I pray it's not negatively).

It’s only going to be overwhelmingly positive if it’s a revamp. Dragonflight was met with an extremely tepid reaction here and continued to do so until launch when people raved about it, only to cool on it with 10.1.

For me, anything other than a revamp will get a meh reaction. Unless it’s a new landmass but on the same scale as what we got with the Legion announcement in terms of content, lore etc.

[Baraden]

So instead of contending any of our points with an argument that’s actually correct, you’re doubling down on being obnoxiously incorrect. Thanks for your time.

When you explain why island expeditions being a core feature of the expansion, why no expansion took us into the oceans of azeroth more (nazjatar, island expeditions, random quests like finding Derek's body etc), why the heavy nautical theme and pirate/ ship theme (most of the Alliance story, three dungeons, a raid) somehow doesn't matter

Your whole argument is simply "it wasn't called the south seas so it wasn't the south seas expansion" - it is entirely possbile any potential south seas expansion became BFA, until blizzard release an even more nautical themed expansion - that's all there is to say

Considering the fact the big notable southern land masses of Azeroth (Pandaria, Zuldazar and Kezan) are already in game - you want them to make an entire expansion out of Tel Abim? An island the size of durotar? Moreover, one of the only other key locations in the southern seas - Plunder Isle - was data mined for which expansion? Would you like to guess? It was BFA.

[Teriz]

I'm not going to go in circles with you, I've pointed out numerous reasons why any potential south seas expansion features were co-opted into BFA, you either selectively regard certain point as irrelevant

If you want to be deliberately dishonest and argue that BFA didn't have heavy nautical and ocean based themes then that's on you - until they release an expansion explicitly called "South Seas", you'll only be ignoring objective evidence to hold your view

It boggles the mind that posters here don’t seem to understand that BFA was the south seas/Azshara/N’Zoth expansion. They’re not going to do it again.

[Santandame]

When you explain why island expeditions being a core feature of the expansion, why no expansion took us into the oceans of azeroth more (nazjatar, island expeditions, random quests like finding Derek's body etc), why the heavy nautical theme and pirate/ ship theme (most of the Alliance story, three dungeons, a raid) somehow doesn't matter

Your whole argument is simply "it wasn't called the south seas so it wasn't the south seas expansion" - it is entirely possbile any potential south seas expansion became BFA, until blizzard release an even more nautical themed expansion - that's all there is to say

Considering the fact the big notable southern land masses of Azeroth (Pandaria, Broken Isles, Zuldazar and Kezan) are already in game - you want them to make an entire expansion out of Tel Abim? An island the size of durotar?

That’s not what my argument was at all, and going back through our argument you can see that. So yes, you are being deliberately dishonest and as you’ve already said, I’m not going to go round in circles with you at this point.

[Baraden]

That’s not what my argument was at all, and going back through our argument you can see that. So yes, you are being deliberately dishonest and as you’ve already said, I’m not going to go round in circles with you at this point.

I'm glad you admit you have no argument, thanks for playing

[Santandame]

It boggles the mind that posters here don’t seem to understand that BFA was the south seas/Azshara/N’Zoth expansion. They’re not going to do it again.

Boggles mine that posters here don’t seem to understand that it wasn’t the South Seas expansion (no one has mentioned N’Zoth apart from yourself repeatedly with this topic) But hey, we have people here convinced that next expansion is going to be Lightbound /w Yrel purely because Thrall is on the key art for Blizzcon and that they think Arakkoa and Ogres are the next logical step for playable races despite no evidence for it. So I guess it’s par for the course really isn’t it?

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I'm glad you admit you have no argument, thanks for playing

I’m glad you continue to reaffirm how dense you are.

[Baraden]

It boggles the mind that posters here don’t seem to understand that BFA was the south seas/Azshara/N’Zoth expansion. They’re not going to do it again.

It is mindboggling - I actually think South Seas is an interesting concept and wish they had done more with it in BFA, like I said plunder isle was datamined - a pirate raid would have been amazing rather than uunat or something, any future south seas expac would be entirely tel abim and complete asspulls lorewise after that, not really something to hope for

[Teriz]

Boggles mine that posters here don’t seem to understand that it wasn’t the South Seas expansion (no one has mentioned N’Zoth apart from yourself repeatedly with this topic) But hey, we have people here convinced that next expansion is going to be Lightbound /w Yrel purely because Thrall is on the key art for Blizzcon and that they think Arakkoa and Ogres are the next logical step for playable races despite no evidence for it. So I guess it’s par for the course really isn’t it?

What would be in a South Seas/Azshara etc. expansion that wasn’t in BFA?

[Baraden]

Boggles mine that posters here don’t seem to understand that it wasn’t the South Seas expansion (no one has mentioned N’Zoth apart from yourself repeatedly with this topic) But hey, we have people here convinced that next expansion is going to be Lightbound /w Yrel purely because Thrall is on the key art for Blizzcon and that they think Arakkoa and Ogres are the next logical step for playable races despite no evidence for it. So I guess it’s par for the course really isn’t it?

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I’m glad you continue to reaffirm how dense you are.

You've done nothing other than say I'm wrong - adress each point in my last post about the datamining and the fact most notable southern landmasses are already in game and how that doesn't blow the prospect of a future southern seas expansion out of the water - any reply other than that I won't waste my time with, thanks again for playing

[Santandame]

It is mindboggling - I actually think South Seas is an interesting concept and wish they had done more with it in BFA, like I said plunder isle was datamined - a pirate raid would have been amazing rather than uunat or something, any future south seas expac would be entirely tel abim and complete asspulls lorewise after that, not really something to hope for

- Undermine/Kezan
- Plunder Isle
- Tel’Abim
- Hiji
- Ogrezonia

All established South Seas locations in lore, but sure go off. It’s not as if the Broken Isles were literally just the Broken Shore prior to Legion - right?

[pacotaco]

Anu belore banana!

Glory to the Tel'dorei!

[Nightshade711]

It boggles the mind that posters here don’t seem to understand that BFA was the south seas/Azshara/N’Zoth expansion. They’re not going to do it again.

“It boggles the mind that posters here don’t seem to understand that WoD was a Yrel/Light/Orc expansion. They’re not going to do that again.”

Weird how there’s so much pointing directly to Azshara & something major with the sea.
It’s more boggling to me how posters like yourself could be so against it since given how you like to take every little thing as an expansion hint. (Throwback to dragonflight, Undermine, and tinkers coming in 10.0 because of the mechanical dragon mount & pet.)

[Santandame]

You've done nothing other than say I'm wrong - adress each point in my last post about the datamining and the fact most notable southern landmasses are already in game and how that doesn't blow the prospect of a future southern seas expansion out of the water - any reply other than that I won't waste my time with, thanks again for playing

I, and Huth have literally already done all of that in previous pages. It’s in fact, yourself who refuses to address our points in response and just acts like an immature child with no argument by saying we’re wrong. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going “lalala I can’t hear you” and continuing to double down and lie like an ignoramus and being completely disingenuous won’t make you correct.

[Nightshade711]

- Undermine/Kezan
- Plunder Isle
- Tel’Abim
- Hiji
- Ogrezonia

All established South Seas locations in lore, but sure go off. It’s not as if the Broken Isles were literally just the Broken Shore prior to Legion - right?

True, and also before DF the Dragon Isles were only an art piece of a giant old god temple.
Blizzard can/will just add whatever they want to a south seas expansion.

[Baraden]

- Undermine/Kezan
- Plunder Isle
- Tel’Abim
- Hiji
- Ogrezonia

All established South Seas locations in lore, but sure go off. It’s not as if the Broken Isles were literally just the Broken Shore prior to Legion - right?

- Kezan is in the game
- Plunder Isle was cut from BFA
- Undermine belongs to the subterranean theme alonside the nerubian empire etc, not the south seas theme

So, let's look at what you can actually use

- Tel'Abim, a small island with absolutely no lore besides bananas
- Ogrezonia, a quote "tiny island" that has literally only been mentioned once in the game via one single quest, and the whole quest is a gag reference to futurama
- Hiji, literally no lore, and many argue it's just the native name of Plunder Isle

So if you wanna base a whole expansion off that - go right ahead

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True, and also before DF the Dragon Isles were only an art piece of a giant old god temple.
Blizzard can/will just add whatever they want to a south seas expansion.

Can =/= Should

One of the biggest problem with dragonflight lore is it's hard to care about something that was a complete asspull, that's why people hate Shadowlands and love Wrath

[Teriz]

“It boggles the mind that posters here don’t seem to understand that WoD was a Yrel/Light/Orc expansion. They’re not going to do that again.”

Weird how there’s so much pointing directly to Azshara & something major with the sea.
It’s more boggling to me how posters like yourself could be so against it since given how you like to take every little thing as an expansion hint. (Throwback to dragonflight, Undermine, and tinkers because of the mechanical dragon mount.)

I simply don’t see how a Naga/Azshara is possible when Blizzard could have pulled that exact same expansion in 8.0, but they didn’t. Instead, they stuffed the Deep Below/South Seas concept with other themes because they CLEARLY didn’t want to go all in on a deep sea expansion with just Azshara and N’Zoth.

Nothings changed since that point in time.

[Mecheon]

It boggles the mind that posters here don’t seem to understand that BFA was the south seas/Azshara/N’Zoth expansion. They’re not going to do it again.

Because a South Sea expansion would deal with Tel Abim and the entirity of Kezan, which are notably absent. Also because, Kul Tiras isn't in the South Sea area. Like, at all.

And finally, because the datamined dragonriding trophy for the BFA zones is very specifically called the Great Seas. Blizzard don't even internally consider it anything close to the South Seas. That's why