Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Woggmer]

I feel 10.2.5 is the last patch and 10.2 is the last raid. Unless Vakthros is a mini raid, though it could just be a new dungeon.

I don't think there were any plans for Vakthros... From what I can find, all it was is a place where the leylines converged into one place. After Raszageth's attack, we just...leave it as it is.

I could be wrong but that's just what I assume.

[Nadiru]

i mean it's not like blizzard is going to abandon retail. it will probably get more cosmic crap written by danuser. people who are attached to their collectibles can stay there. classic+ is for ex wow players who hate the direction of retail and classic players who want new content but none of the baggage retail has. hardcore proves that. many are no lifing classic while they wouldn't touch retail with a stick

Yes, surely blizzard will rediscover all of the development mentalities and assumptions used develop classic and implement them in a way that is congruent with them so they can make authentic classic content. Do you read the stuff you post? Because the rest of us have to.

[Well Done Steak]

Yrel is probably the least likely expansion theme out there currently; even moreso than just a strictly Undermine themed expansion.

She has no relevance at all and the story isn’t moving in a direction that indicates she is next.

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Never said she'd be the sole antagonist. 11.0 has to be light vs void. With the events of dawn of the infinite, it's basically now or never that Yrel needs to come since there's no other way she can be dragged to our time line.

BFA set her up and DF set up the perfect scenario for her coming.

[Reive]

Yes, surely blizzard will rediscover all of the development mentalities and assumptions used develop classic and implement them in a way that is congruent with them so they can make authentic classic content. Do you read the stuff you post? Because the rest of us have to.

who the hell are you? lmao you don't have to read anything. if you don't like a post, just move on

[Cheezits]

I don't think there were any plans for Vakthros... From what I can find, all it was is a place where the leylines converged into one place. After Raszageth's attack, we just...leave it as it is.

I could be wrong but that's just what I assume.

It's featured in the opening cinematic, as well as most of the concept art for it. So I assume that it will be used eventually, or was scrapped.

The leveling storyline has you go to it as well. Plus it's on the map, and we're also lacking a real finale for Kalecgos and Khadgar.

[Nadiru]

lmao you don't have to read anything. if you don't like a post, just move on

Take your own advice lmao

[Reive]

Take your own advice lmao

you're the one quoting a post from 20 pages ago tho

[Izalla]

Well shit.

If that's real, I want to know what's going on with the wing structure on the right.

This might already be mentioned (or image debunked) since I'm not caught up yet, but an impossibly structured monster sounds exactly like what you could expect from a void monster. The Old Gods are supposed to make you crazy just for looking at them and all that Lovecraft stuff, no? So why not have void creatures that make no physical sense? Hell maybe their structure changes constantly. If this image isn't fake I mean.

[Auxis]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/empower...ch-10-2-335137 How are we feeling about this one?

Why doesnt Kalec's visage eyes match his dragon eyes?

[Izalla]

It's almost certainly AI and AI doesn't know how to handle structures that aren't basic limbs. You'll note that it also couldn't figure out that wings go to the back--they're lined up with the spaulders. That's also why it's full of just poorly reading jumbles (the head section, the wing, the legs, the non-claw hand).

It's probably just this though

[Woggmer]

It's featured in the opening cinematic, as well as most of the concept art for it. So I assume that it will be used eventually, or was scrapped.

The leveling storyline has you go to it as well. Plus it's on the map, and we're also lacking a real finale for Kalecgos and Khadgar.

We won't know for sure, but I'm just gonna take the safe bet and say that whatever might've been planned for it was scrapped.

It could just end up the same way where Margrave Krexus was in the SL cinematic and in the SL loading screen... but by the end of the Maldraxxus story, he gets axed off by his own subordinate with Draka taking over for him until we find the Primus (the true Eternal One)

[Cheezits]

We won't know for sure, but I'm just gonna take the safe bet and say that whatever might've been planned for it was scrapped.

It could just end up the same way where Margrave Krexus was in the SL cinematic and in the SL loading screen... but by the end of the Maldraxxus story, he gets axed off by his own subordinate with Draka taking over for him until we find the Primus (the true Eternal One)

That felt intentional. I have never believed for a second the shit about "Primus is the real bad guy" and things relating to it. The Krexus thing seems like it was always planned to be a twist, and reflective of how Maldraxxus society exists (people kill each other/betray each other for power). As the Primus being gone was baked into the earliest story, someone had to stand in for him, and they felt he was better off dead for a twist than just being subservient to Primus when he came back.

Vakthros was designed as a prominent structure in Azure Span, the zone with the smallest connection to the Dragonflight story so far. I am more willing to think it's part of 10.2.5 than everything relating to it was scrapped, it feels suspicious that Khadgar was brought over as well considering he did little to nothing so far.

If 10.2 is the last real raid, they may be planning a beefy 10.2.5 with a mini-raid/dungeon that relates to Arcane, and Tyr coming back and having an effect on it would fit.

[Well Done Steak]

Why doesnt Kalec's visage eyes match his dragon eyes?

Cuz he got pink eye from Jaina one night she felt kinky and got freaky with his dragonform

He's visage and dragonform just have different eye colors.

[Villager720]

Broken are very unsubtly hinted at in the Man'ari questline, and Mok'nathal are still a good option for Horde.

Beyond that we obviously have Ankoan, Ogres, Mogu, etc.

Mok’nathal are also a bit more subtly hinted at in the orc heritage questline.

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Thrall and Orcs lore (Ion stated himself that we will be getting more Horde lore, particularly more Orc lore).

When did Ion say “more orc lore incoming”?

[Cheezits]

Mok’nathal are also a bit more subtly hinted at in the orc heritage questline.

It's definitely set up, and the Rexxar model is a great starting point for a Mok'nathal race, but the thing that gives me pause is that it would be the death knell for playable Ogres... who seem to be getting new animations in the future (if the Boomkin animations are for them first and foremost). I can't see both them and Ogres, and it's very telling they are possibly redoing animations for Ogres as they seemingly thought their WoD models were up to par for modern content (Exiles Reach).

[Villager720]

It's definitely set up, and the Rexxar model is a great starting point for a Mok'nathal race, but the thing that gives me pause is that it would be the death knell for playable Ogres... who seem to be getting new animations in the future (if the Boomkin animations are for them first and foremost). I can't see both them and Ogres, and it's very telling they are possibly redoing animations for Ogres as they seemingly thought their WoD models were up to par for modern content (Exiles Reach).

If we can have void elves & blood elves; night elves & nightborne - then I think we can manage having two biologically similar races that, unlike the others, actually have wholly different rigs. (Like humans and kul’tirans…but truly genetically distinct.)

But I’ve always been skeptical we’ll ever get ogres - to feel “right”, they have to be even bigger than tauren and that just feels like a logistical nightmare for Blizzard. That’s why I suspect we never did get them over the last twenty years.

[Nadiru]

you're the one quoting a post from 20 pages ago tho

Does that matter to you?

[Ferlion]

The final cinematic will probably just be Fyrakk dying and the tree blooming to life in the Dragon Isles.

Afterwards, the dragons go to the tree and get their powers back. Why Tyr and the Oathstones aren't involved in this is suspicious and makes me wonder if the Tyr quest has to happen before the blessing quest to explain why he's not doing it.

If I'm being completely honest, this is actually the primary reason I think next expansion is a revamp.

The final cinematic is at best the tree blooming.

The big question of Night Elves and them establishing it as a home isn't really there from what we see, and I really don't expect Blizzard to make a new home for the Elves last another expansion before seeing it built up and settled. It's always possible that's a .5 thing for the final patch, but considering their stated desire to see cities and such reclaimed/settled as being in game and experienced, we aren't going to see it happen off screen.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

It's almost certainly AI and AI doesn't know how to handle structures that aren't basic limbs. You'll note that it also couldn't figure out that wings go to the back--they're lined up with the spaulders. That's also why it's full of just poorly reading jumbles (the head section, the wing, the legs, the non-claw hand).

Right on point. It's a little convincing in some places, but other bits have elements that are too faded or structures too nonsensical to think it's anything else.

I maintain these are relatively trustworthy, but not as reflections of what we're actually getting in particular. While these came from a relatively trusted source, they're likely to be hints as opposed to strict reflections of what will be.

[Woggmer]

If I'm being completely honest, this is actually the primary reason I think next expansion is a revamp.

The final cinematic is at best the tree blooming.

The big question of Night Elves and them establishing it as a home isn't really there from what we see, and I really don't expect Blizzard to make a new home for the Elves last another expansion before seeing it built up and settled. It's always possible that's a .5 thing for the final patch, but considering their stated desire to see cities and such reclaimed/settled as being in game and experienced, we aren't going to see it happen off screen.

There' already NPC's getting settled in to the new home. (According to this Wowhead article) https://www.wowhead.com/news/amirdra...ew-home-335169

The problem is why not just build the new home with the revamp in Kalimdor or in the Eastern Kingdoms where it's happening? It's like saying Deathwing destroyed Stomwind during the Cataclysm so the humans build a new city in Northrend. Maybe they might move it to another location away from the Dragon Isles... but we won't know until we see how this all plays out.