Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[snewo]

That's a wild interpretation of what he said. Unless they're announcing a new Warcraft game or movie, it just means he's working on Classic Retail And Hearthstone.

Errr, not really?

"Executive Creative Director of the 'Warcraft Universe'."

Hearthstone isn't canon so it won't be utilizing Chris Metzen, which leaves just WoW Classic and Retail, or some unannounced Warcraft game containing story.

However, it then goes on to state "right now he's supporting World of Warcraft leadership in crafting the next generation of adventures". That implies, at the very least, that he isn't hands on for retail development. He's supporting others who lead that.

So either he's heading up some unannounced project, OR, he's hands on working on Classic+.

Either way, it's clearly worded in a way that is ambiguous and undoubtedly wider in scope than just working on existing Warcraft games.

[Nymrohd]

They'd probably do better on a more action oriented title anyway.

I could see them pulling off an 3rd person ARPG, though.

IMO the campaign of D4 was actually pretty good. It's the endgame stuff that's lacking.

I agree, it was solid. You can have an Action CRPG instead of a party-based one that is still story-focused and has simple but very entertaining gameplay; the kind that is not meant to be played forever.

Honestly, I am pretty sure you could use the WoW engine to build a CRPG.

[Shadowferal]

That didn't work any better back then than today. WotLK was pretty much when the ridiculously forced part of it started, with them starting a brawl right in front of ICC for no good reason.

Your perspective.
I preferred the added tension ingame. It made my play cautious and enlivening.

[DelusionalBear]

it's delusional to think that classic would become the new "main branch" of WoW. If anything they will carry over some aspects from classic like they did in DF, but everything else is just that: delusional.

stop summoning me twice in one post!

[vintage79]

Your perspective.
I preferred the added tension ingame. It made my play cautious and enlivening.

This towly's tweets are starting to piss me off

what pisses me off even more is that Blizzard turned WOW into Transmog game with pseudo-elite raids for 5 days of progression, which are constantly changed, tuned, nerfed, the same goes for classes - adding specs, reworking them during the expansion (WTF), just to nerefing them to the ground only to make them S-Tier super meta a week later. This game is a entire circus right now, not to mention the ilvl range between patches and squishing everything every damn expansion...

people complain eg about Drenor and maybe there were no mythic plus or other crap there. But the game was as it was released.
Game was solid without ongoing development after release.

[Lady Atia]

Who would've thought. It's almost as if I'm entirely correct when I say that 11.0 represents (with us facing the Void) an ending of sorts to all the Warcraft 3-inspired stories.

Again for those in the back!

World of Warcraft

TBC -> WoD -> Legion
WotLK -> BfA -> Shadowlands
Cata -> Dragonflight -> 11.0

MoP is just MoP. A breather from all the heavy stuff.

A new book in the story of Warcraft opens with 12.0, but it will probably be partly noticeable already in 11.0.

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He's a producer. That's literally what a producer does.

He's one of the bosses that ensure everything comes together as a nice and cohesive product they can sell. In this case, his focus on the creative departments. The story needs to make sense, the art needs to make sense, and it all needs to be pushed forward with new games, films, shows, books, and so on. He's the boss of all of that.

Also, classic doesn't even need a creative producer lol ..... it's NOT supposed to have new lore content.

[Shadowferal]

Also, classic doesn't even need a creative producer lol ..... it's NOT supposed to have new lore content.

I believe that's where the "+" comes in.

[Xilurm]

WoW game director Ion Hazzikostas and executive producer Holly Longdale said Metzen's role as creative advisor didn't do him justice. They went on to say he is a powerful force at Blizzard HQ that is dedicated and passionate about making Warcraft as a franchise "everything it can be."

Hazzikostas said having Metzen in the office to bounce ideas off of has been "amazing," especially as the WoW story team looks to go beyond many of the villains, characters, and settings that Metzen helped create two decades ago.

"As we look to the future, it's no secret…we've almost exhausted the Warcraft III-era canon of what are the villains we have yet to face and what are the places we have yet to go, and we are creating new ones as we speak," Hazzikostas said. "The Primal Incarnates that are central to Dragonflight are a new creation to World of Warcraft. Having Chris available as a resource and as a partner as we start to create new things, new places, and yet have them still feel quintessentially Warcraft is something he is uniquely suited to do."

Wait and see, I guess.

Article headline:

Blizzard's Chris Metzen Is Now Shaping The Future Of Warcraft As A Creative Director

People on MMO-C "dAnUsEr Is StIlL hIs BoSs"

[Samin]

People on MMO-C "dAnUsEr Is StIlL hIs BoSs"

Danuser is only responsible for the things I don't like, while everything I enjoy is only happening because of Metzen's return.

But seriously, I can already see the next generation of people who should really stop playing WoW for a while blaming everything wrong in WoW (which according to them is everything obv) on Metzen returning.

[Skildar]

WELLLLLLL.... There is one thing, but it is completely out of left-field. There were dataminers who found a character model for Dr. Boom (y'know.. that one goblin NPC for a side quest in TBC that later became a Legendary Card in Hearthstone?) ...Yeah, apparently some dataminers found a full model of him and his mech suit in Crash Team Rumble. (That one Crash Bandicoot PvP game that came out this year.)

...It is perhaps the first time a WoW character ever crossed over into another IP outside of Blizzard's IPs. Though, I doubt that his inclusion could be a hint to anything... and if it was a hint at a "goblin underground expansion" then it would be a far-reaching stretch.

The base marketing of this game is pretty bad, for instance naming it Crash Team Rumble when they have Crash Team Racing, widely known as ctr. The game released only on playstation and xbox and received almost no advertisement, didn't show up at E3 or gamescon, etc. I'm okay with having a few characters from warcraft saga go into an activision game, especially crash bandicoot or spyro (nostalgia) but not a game noone knows it even exists

[Xilurm]

Danuser is only responsible for the things I don't like, while everything I enjoy is only happening because of Metzen's return.

Dude said he liked Season 8 of GOT. There is no hope for him.

[Skildar]

Danuser is only responsible for the things I don't like, while everything I enjoy is only happening because of Metzen's return.

But seriously, I can already see the next generation of people who should really stop playing WoW for a while blaming everything wrong in WoW (which according to them is everything obv) on Metzen returning.

can you provide an example of what since his return metzen brought that you like?

[Teriz]

Pretty cool to see Dr. Boom show up in other media. Doubt it relates to the next expansion, but him being datamined in his HS style in another Activision game is pretty interesting to see. I'm just bringing it up here because its something that might get brought up at BlizzCon and could POSSIBLY be related to the next expansion.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Himself.

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That's an interesting point. His job will naturally be more focused with upcoming products, or those that are evergreen like WoW.

However, even Classic ties into the bigger picture. For one, you need somebody in charge to tell people what's OK or not with regards to respecting Classic and its lore. But I can't imagine his day to day job involves a lot of creative meetings around the lore of Classic (unless + is coming, of course).

I bet blizzard will add buyable mounts via store to classic, the same mounts that someone already bought on retail, but now will buy it twice if they love classic.

even found now this mrgm post lol.
https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1706976307257417733

[BaumanKing]

Article headline:

People on MMO-C "dAnUsEr Is StIlL hIs BoSs"

Danuser has completely reshaped Warcraft's cosmology to his own liking, and his new direction is appealing to a lot of people who aren't afraid of change. I bet even Metzen likes it because on twitter he never said anything negative about Danuser's new vision. Metzen even praised DF story several times.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

There’s no downside to adding it. Not wanting something you don’t want in game that would remain completely optional is just an odd take.
also you must visit Wotlk Private Servers for WoW

If you were answering to me, Im aware of private servers stuff with their in game paid "services" because i played private servers many, many years ago before even any of that topic was popular on streaming sites, but i just find it funny how blizzard just might milk this situation twice.

[Shadowferal]

Danuser has completely reshaped Warcraft's cosmology to his own liking, and his new direction is appealing to a lot of people who aren't afraid of change. I bet even Metzen likes it because on twitter he never said anything negative about Danuser's new vision. Metzen even praised DF story several times.

Sure...as if he would piss on his employer by telling him it's shit.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Danuser has completely reshaped Warcraft's cosmology to his own liking, and his new direction is appealing to a lot of people who aren't afraid of change.

I mean, you don't have to be afraid of change when you simply just doesn't like direction of something because it just not that interesting.

With what you're saying is that everyone that doesn't like Danuser work is just afraid of change, you just can't simply not like it or his work.. weird statement.

[Xilurm]

Danuser has completely reshaped Warcraft's cosmology to his own liking, and his new direction is appealing to a lot of people who aren't afraid of change.

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.

[Pheraz]

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.

I am sure danuser did some cool things, but I don't think many people liked the story of the jailer and how he waited millenia for his plot to succeed and this double agent idea of the dreadlords and those uber-titans and that elune might be a robot ("sister" of winterqueen)
You know.... I really dont think many people like this Really. Like.... 99% sure.
On the other hand the story since bfa was as detailed as it has never been. Even if sylvanas was mildly annoying, at least the story was not boring or uninteresting.
Let's see what blizzcon brings with Metzen, I think it will be awesome. Pretty thirsty for some "american" show. I really didnt like the last patch presentations with those devs on the couch.