Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

Finally something new to talk about: That combination of Lordaeron & Death Knight aesthetic has alarming story implications. Assuming it isn't just Trading Post Gear, of course.

4 tints of it are interesting, the trading post stuff is usually 3 tints. 4 tints line up with raid gear.

[Hitei]

Finally something new to talk about: That combination of Lordaeron & Death Knight aesthetic has alarming story implications. Assuming it isn't just Trading Post Gear, of course.
That's basically the premise of the Jailer. Wish we would have gotten his motive before he died.

I enjoy that Trading Post has made it impossible to guess if something datamined is a huge deal or literally no deal at all.

[Akhinos]

Man you can't just post this and not link it. This thread is exploding at this point, I work on paperwork at my job for an hour and come back to 20+ pages, hard to keep up.

I have some new informations based on a "friend". I cant talk much about it, but just gonna say that we are not going to get a revamp. Also we going to see a Light vs Void exp. We are going to Yrel not the other way around, but Yrel isnt where we think she are.

[Ersula]

Humour me: what are our sources that say she spans the cosmos, and that the moons are definitely just symbolic?

We meet two other Night Warriors, chosen by Elune & they're from far away planets.

We did get his motive tho...

Bro was afraid of the 7th

Right: We got his motive at the moment of his death. I said I wanted it to happen before that.

[Nightshade711]

Blizzard likes stories about balance. In Starcraft, we have purity of the essence and purity of the form. In Diablo, we have humans come from angels and demons.

If Elune is unique, maybe she balances Light and Void. I don't think she is a purified Old God (like an old theory said).

Unless they changed it from Legion, Elune definitely has something to do with the light and/or void.
Back in Legion it was stated (or theorized by Khadgar) that Elune created Xe’ra and thus her tear should be able to unlock Light’s Heart, which ended up being true. (Mind you they also said only a being belonging to Xe’ra’s line could unlock it)
Additionally there was Velen’s comment of Elune’s magic being very similar to the light.

I personally think the look of the “cosmic void” looks awfully like Elune’s magic too.

[Darkarath]

I have some new informations based on a "friend". I cant talk much about it, but just gonna say that we are not going to get a revamp. Also we going to see a Light vs Void exp. We are going to Yrel not the other way around, but Yrel isnt where we think she are.

Yrel should be in her universe carrying her Holy Crusade. Going there in 11.0 would harm WoW severely. No one cares about Yrel's alternate universe, but there is potential if she were to come to our universe.

Logic says that if she comes to our universe it would be through our world, as it is the link to her universe.

So, I do not buy you. Although I think that Yrel coming to Azeroth is a matter of time.

[Nightshade711]

We meet two other Night Warriors, chosen by Elune & they're from far away planets.

Also there’s the “moon fragment” we find on Draenor from its moon that is able to create a moon well.

[Hitei]

Humour me: what are our sources that say she spans the cosmos, and that the moons are definitely just symbolic?

She has worshippers and has made Night Warriors on at least three other planets.

I assume, based on the fact that she is a "moon goddess" and that the instances of her invoking power on Azeroth involve eclipses happening, that those other planets also must have moons, and that when she does stuff on those planets, there are similarly eclipses. One would assume that "Elune" is not just a collection of hive-minded moons around planets, therefore the moons themselves must just be idolic in nature. A stand in for her on any given world where she has followers, and she herself exists somewhere else, just acting through them to do things.

[Mecheon]

So what do you guys think about Azeroth's moons and the sun, as they relate to the next expansion?

Moon expansion is one of my favourite concepts. Just let us, go to the moon. Stick Elune's secret domain up there

buuuuut. May be a bit too close to Endwalker for that given 'go to the moon' was that expansion's main media thing

[Ersula]

Yrel should be in her universe carrying her Holy Crusade. Going there in 11.0 would harm WoW severely. No one care about Yrel's alternate universe, but there is potential is she were to come to our universe.

Did they ever say Yrel was born on Draenor? Because in the main timeline, she could have ended up in one of the other groups from Argus.

[Darkarath]

Did they ever say Yrel was born on Draenor? Because in the main timeline, she could have ended up in one of the other groups from Argus.

I doubt that Blizzard stated in WoD if she came from Argus or if she was born in Draenor.

Why is this important, anyway? Do you think that she could make a portal to our universe through Argus? It is a possibility, I guess, but we just have been there and there was no trace of her.

I mean, I guess that by now she could have conquered several planets in her universe, so she might come to our universe through those other planets. But I doubt that she would start conquering another universe before conquering her own. Although the Iron Horde invaded our planet without having secured Draenor...

[Hitei]

QUEST_BG_DARK (New) - Dark
QUEST_BG_DEFAULT (New) - Default
QUEST_BG_LIGHT1 (New) - Light 1
QUEST_BG_LIGHT2 (New) - Light 2
QUEST_BG_LIGHT3 (New) - Light 3

Oh man, Void vs Light confirmed! /s

[Ersula]

I doubt that Blizzard stated in WoD if she came from Argus or if she was born in Draenor.

Why is this important, anyway? Do you think that she could make a portal to our universe through Argus? It is a possibility, I guess, but we just have been there and there was no trace of her.

I mean the AU Yrel was on Draenor, but our universe's Yrel could be anywhere. She might be a Lightforged we just haven't met yet. Its Sela from Star Trek TNG all over again.

[Kiivar86]

Scarab mount icons in this build, interesting.

Though the icons kinda make me think more of that beetle one, Telix the Stormhorn. They're various jeweled scarabs apparently, but no source as of yet.

Also confirmation that "dungeon" map someone found a few days back was indeed just part of the Amirdrassil raid.

[Akhinos]

Yrel should be in her universe carrying her Holy Crusade. Going there in 11.0 would harm WoW severely. No one cares about Yrel's alternate universe, but there is potential if she were to come to our universe.

Logic says that if she comes to our universe it would be through our world, as it is the link to her universe.

So, I do not buy you. Although I think that Yrel coming to Azeroth is a matter of time.

You got the WOD lore completely wrong. Yrel's universe no longer exists, the Draenor we saw in WOD has been transported to our timeline. What was left of that universe collapsed, so there is no Azeroth in which the orcs never invaded.

Blizzard could have used this now in the last patch with the invasions of alternative worlds, do you think it's a coincidence that they didn't use this Azeroth?

Time passes faster in Yrel's world simply because Draenor is closer to the twisting nether. Not because they are on another timeline. This Draenor is close to the twisting nether probably because it is the place where celestial bodies that came from other realities emerge.

Furthermore, the naaru that approached her are the same ones that had the technology for space warp travel, like that which the draenei received. That's why she can be anywhere.

[Ferlion]

It's interesting that Draenor has a large Pale Lady moon, and a smaller, darker one.

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Maybe Elune can't appear physically. Perhaps she was slain, or was a physical being who ascended into goddess, and the moons are her stand-ins.

I think the implication from Xal'anth is that Elune is someone who "became" a goddess instead of someone made into a god.

[Darkarath]

I mean the AU Yrel was on Draenor, but our universe's Yrel could be anywhere. She might be a Lightforged we just haven't met yet. Its Sela from Star Trek TNG all over again.

Nah, would not make sense.

Blizzard has an story with AU Yrel. A potentially very cool and fun story IMO.

It is too late for a Yrel of our universe to be relevant. She is probably dead or maybe she never existed.

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You got the WOD lore completely wrong. Yrel's universe no longer exists, the Draenor we saw in WOD has been transported to our timeline. What was left of that universe collapsed, so there is no Azeroth in which the orcs never invaded.

Blizzard could have used this now in the last patch with the invasions of alternative worlds, do you think it's a coincidence that they didn't use this Azeroth?

Time passes faster in Yrel's world simply because Draenor is closer to the twisting nether. Not because they are on another timeline. This Draenor is close to the twisting nether probably because it is the place where celestial bodies that came from other realities emerge.

Furthermore, the naaru that approached her are the same ones that had the technology for space warp travel, like that which the draenei received. That's why she can be anywhere.

Source? Alex Afrasiabi confirmed that there is a multiverse and an alternate Azeroth in WoD.

I think that this has not been debunked yet.

[Nightshade711]

Oh man, Void vs Light confirmed! /s

This got me thinking
Imagine if they make queued BGs cross faction and the “factions” were just light and void.
(Maybe randomly assigned idk like how horde/alliance is randomly assigned in RBGs)

Could explain PvP without any current faction content.

[Kiivar86]

Did they ever say Yrel was born on Draenor? Because in the main timeline, she could have ended up in one of the other groups from Argus.

According to the Characters of Warcraft page on her (now defunct but you can get the archived link on the wowpedia page), she was indeed born on Draenor.

[Nightshade711]

You got the WOD lore completely wrong. Yrel's universe no longer exists, the Draenor we saw in WOD has been transported to our timeline. What was left of that universe collapsed, so there is no Azeroth in which the orcs never invaded.

Blizzard could have used this now in the last patch with the invasions of alternative worlds, do you think it's a coincidence that they didn't use this Azeroth?

Time passes faster in Yrel's world simply because Draenor is closer to the twisting nether. Not because they are on another timeline. This Draenor is close to the twisting nether probably because it is the place where celestial bodies that came from other realities emerge.

Furthermore, the naaru that approached her are the same ones that had the technology for space warp travel, like that which the draenei received. That's why she can be anywhere.

This is entirely wrong, the Mag’har recruitment quest proves that it’s an alternate timeline that was closed off.