Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[micwini]

It's just amazing that "Undermine" was the immediate assumption to Towellie's "under the waves", as if we didn't have in game hints at a Naga resurgence. A lot of stretching to meet one's ideal expansion.

Underwater expansion with dragonriding style mount swimming would be omega Pog

[Teriz]

Metzen returning / Thrall was seen on horrific visions so the void has plans for him.

Two things can be correct at once; Metzen returning, Thrall being a major figure in the next expansion. The point you're missing is that the key art is about what the character REPRESENTS, not what's going to happen to them in the next expansion. Sylvanas for example represented death. Jaina represented the sea and Kul'tiras. Gul'Dan represented demons.

What does Thrall represent? He's the former Earthwarder and is a Shaman. He represents the elements.

Scaleface hasn’t been wrong so far either. (Like when he leaked Legion & Demon Hunters)

And Scaleface said that the AI pics are probably fake and not to take stock in them. Meanwhile, the Chinese predictor stated that 11.0 would be elements quite awhile ago and AFAIK, he hasn't changed that viewpoint yet.

Iridikron who is currently in the void working with known void entities.
+All of the hints to Ethereals/void stuff since Legion.

Again, Iridikron is a primal dragon that is based heavily with the elements, particularly the element of earth. What makes more sense to you? That Iridikron is somewhere on Azeroth plotting with void agents to screw over the titans and possibly go for the world soul, or on some far-flung void planet plotting to send us to another planet in 11.0? Sorry, one makes sense and the other doesn't.

Toweliee has been wrong plenty of times before.

I never said otherwise. I'm simply saying that his statement backs up other clues that we have.

Doesn’t mean the tech would be used for underground. There’s a million things they can use the seamless transition tech for.

I'm pretty sure the devs specifically mentioned that they wanted to do more underground zones and Zaralek tech could be used for those ends.

Devs have said a lot before. Like wanting Naga, Dreadlords, and Drakonids to be playable.

Yeah, but what the devs stated previously relates to what we're talking about here. You're pulling a whataboutism here.

Random junk is random junk.
Dr. Boom being datamined might not mean anything. Rafaam was datamined too with a void ethereal model.

Dr. Boom might not mean anything, or it might mean something. That's the point of speculating.

[Cheezits]

It's just amazing that "Undermine" was the immediate assumption to Towellie's "under the waves", as if we didn't have in game hints at a Naga resurgence. A lot of stretching to meet one's ideal expansion.

You forget that he posted a cave after that, and then commented on a tweet theorizing about caves under Silithus with "I mean..."

[Teriz]

It's just amazing that "Undermine" was the immediate assumption to Towellie's "under the waves", as if we didn't have in game hints at a Naga resurgence. A lot of stretching to meet one's ideal expansion.

Toweliee specifically posted a cave right afterwards. The reason Undermine pops up is because Undermine is the most referred to underground zone in Warcraft, and was originally intended to be a continent in vanilla. So if an underground expansion is planned, Undermine would be the main candidate as being a part of such an expansion.

[Well Done Steak]

I understand what you're saying, but there are a few individuals who start with their wishes and then search for arguments supporting it and dismissing everything else. Instead of what most people do (and speculation should be): Finding facts, new datamined things and then trying to put together the puzzle.

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Case in point....

I put the puzzle.together two years ago during late BFA after the dragon isles we're name dropped in island expeditions, Yrel's set up in the maghar recruitment, and finally the announcement of SL.

The lich king story had yet to end given sylvanas' actions in BFA and Kelthuzad still being alive. So it was natural SL was after BFA...

So as per established lore that left us with the dragon isles and the Light bound. And they both go hand in hand.

Yrel is stuck in an alternate timeline so the only means to get to us is time travel. We know only bronze and infinite dragons have the capacity to bring them to us.

So that means we'd need a dragon expansion after SL to then cause some sort of time incursion to bring Yrel and her army to be our timeline.

So far I've been half right and that link with the velf and LFD npcs in Valdrakken and the Draenor mobs in thaldrasus point to me be fully right.

The world revamp has been slowly happening for a while now. It's not gonna be a huge cata like thing. It's unnecessary.

The point of the cata revamp was to introduce flying in the old world and to update leveling for new players. That's not needed anymore...

So yeah, 11.0 without a doubt is Light vs Void, sorry if that certainty scares you.

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Yes indeed. The expansion they started making after realizing what a poor idea going to a cosmic realm is, will indeed be a realm heavily influenced by cosmic themes... Flawless logic indeed.

K'aresh and Nathreza should, and probably will be patch zones in a themed expansion taking place on Azeroth. Just like how Argus was a patch zone in a Broken Isles, Legion themed expansion. And Shadowlands should have been a patch zone in a Northrend revamp, Death themed expansion.

Karesh and nathreza arent cosmic realms like the SL, they're ruined planets like OL, and OL was awesome.

Also SL was bad because of the story was handled like shit.

[Teriz]

Towellie's comments about no revamp and caves are the most damning thing IMO, to the point that he deleted his leak-y tweets and Mike Ybarra is hanging out in his unrelated comments. Bro is clearly connected and knows things, and has his own fanbase who he likely wouldn't lie to.

I think part of the problem is that we have posters here highly invested in a void expansion. Which is why they're clinging so strongly to clearly AI-generated pictures of a badly done shadow world, and completely ignoring evidence pointing in the opposite direction.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I think there are less chances for Elemental expansion simply because Elementals has already got relatively massive representation in Dragonflight. Primalists, elementals in every DF zone, Evil Protodragons' theme is strictly elemental (Earth, Storm, Fire, Frost), all raids had some elemental related bosses in them.

Yea and im saying it from a very casual viewpoint - You see a lot of elemental themed mobs, a lot of earth, water, ice, wind abilities that both bosses and mobs use.

Clearly very elemental feeling of many areas in zones created, many tier sets based on elemental theme, main primalists based on elementals.

If i would have to actually have second expansion that is heavily elemental themed then it would be very boring, especially underground.. Im not even the biggest fan of the void stuff, but i would much more prefer fighting void enemies and such over fighting earth or fire golems again or primalist mobs 2.0..

[milkmustache]

I think part of the problem is that we have posters here highly invested in a void expansion. Which is why they're clinging so strongly to clearly AI-generated pictures of a badly done shadow world, and completely ignoring evidence pointing in the opposite direction.

Which is the same problem with some being highly invested in an Undermine/tech expansion based off of streamer comments and trading post gear.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I think part of the problem is that we have posters here highly invested in a void expansion. Which is why they're clinging so strongly to clearly AI-generated pictures of a badly done shadow world, and completely ignoring evidence pointing in the opposite direction.

I mean, you talk like you're not the problem when you're the poster that gets into 10 pages long heated argues every few weeks, over your very much desired expansion themes and believes.

[Sondrelk]

Karesh and nathreza arent cosmic realms like the SL, they're ruined planets like OL, and OL was awesome.

Also SL was bad because of the story was handled like shit.

Outland was an integral part of WoW lore that the playable Orcs came from, and which was referenced several times in Vanilla, with the portal there being a massive landmark.

K'aresh is mentioned in a single zone back in TBC, and is the homeworld of an NPC only race who is only really used to justify Transmog.


The two couldn't be more different in terms of buildup. We would need at least a full expansion of hints for K'aresh to even make sense as a patch zone, much less an expansion.

[Teriz]

-Not underground
-Not underground
-Off doing void shit, not underground

Again, elemental stuff can relate to underground.

Old God stuff can also relate to underground, since most Old Gods are in fact imprisoned underground.

-One piece of "evidence"

-The technology isn't for "underground" zones it's the airlocks that allow seamless transition into a loaded zone

Again, I specifically remember Blizzard mentioned that Zalarek tech would be used for future underground content. Specifically the high ceilings and tunnels leading from surface zones to the underground zone. Perhaps I'm mistaken about that, but that is what I recall.

-Raf has never indicated any future content, Mecha kobols are in a different game by a different group of devs, wastewander gear is TRading Post (not an indication) and not underground, the wow twitter posts random shit constantly.

Which is why I said its random junk. However, it is strange that all of this goblin/mech themed stuff is dropping in a relatively short amount of time. It could be nothing, but it could be something.

So you have exactly one piece of evidence, that a content creator said on stream he thinks it's gonna be underground.

Nah, there's multiple pieces of evidence. No one said that this is 100% going to happen, merely that there is evidence to support the possibility of an underground expansion.

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Which is the same problem with some being highly invested in an Undermine/tech expansion based off of streamer comments and trading post gear.

And Thrall on the key art. And a predictor with 100% track record. And events in the game pointing in that direction. etc. etc. etc.

[Well Done Steak]

It has to be LvV...

Like there's been so much for showing between the two since legion's final patch.

The ONLY thing that's come up is a potential Titan threat but even then Iridikron confirmed that we'd have to deal with the void first before the Titans give a shit.

There's nothing else....

And again, it's now or never to bring in Yrel after the events of Dawn. I know some people don't like her, but the maghar quests set her up for a reason....

Otherwise blizzard could have simply not villain bat her or just have us recruited the MU Outland maghar instead.

Read the writing on the wall people, it's super fucking obvious.

[Teriz]

I mean, you talk like you're not the problem when you're the poster that gets into 10 pages long heated argues every few weeks, over your very much desired expansion themes and believes.

I wouldn't consider any back forth I've ever done to be "heated". I'm merely speculating with evidence.

[Shadowferal]

Maybe he can write a Chronicles 4 now.

Omg no...the Chronicles are garbage.

[Murlocos]

Yrelbelievers, can we agree that 11.0 is the last chance for her? It's going to be an unbelievable stretch if we're in 2025 and still talking about how a then-7 year old recruitment quest for one of the least popular allied races is still the secret lynchpin of the whole story everything has been leading up to.

[Sondrelk]

I think part of the problem is that we have posters here highly invested in a void expansion. Which is why they're clinging so strongly to clearly AI-generated pictures of a badly done shadow world, and completely ignoring evidence pointing in the opposite direction.

No less than you are ignoring evidence that makes an underground expansion unlikely by clinging to the words of a streamer with basically no confirmed leaks. And your idea that Thrall is immediately apparent as an underground expansion lead.

[Well Done Steak]

Outland was an integral part of WoW lore that the playable Orcs came from, and which was referenced several times in Vanilla, with the portal there being a massive landmark.

K'aresh is mentioned in a single zone back in TBC, and is the homeworld of an NPC only race who is only really used to justify Transmog.


The two couldn't be more different in terms of buildup. We would need at least a full expansion of hints for K'aresh to even make sense as a patch zone, much less an expansion.

Uh huh, that's why Pandaria exists right....

Obviously OL has more weight than karesh.

But karesh has something that OL didn't, and that's untapped potential.

Same reason as Pandaria.

[Teriz]

No less than you are ignoring evidence that makes an underground expansion unlikely by clinging to the words of a streamer with basically no confirmed leaks. And your idea that Thrall is immediately apparent as an underground expansion lead.

What makes an underground expansion unlikely after Blizzard gushing over their technical accomplishments with Zaralek Cavern?

[Shadowferal]

The two couldn't be more different in terms of buildup. We would need at least a full expansion of hints for K'aresh to even make sense as a patch zone, much less an expansion.

How much buildup did DF get?

[Sondrelk]

Yrelbelievers, can we agree that 11.0 is the last chance for her? It's going to be an unbelievable stretch if we're in 2025 and still talking about how a then-7 year old recruitment quest for one of the least popular allied races is still the secret lynchpin of the whole story everything has been leading up to.

Honestly, it's already been too long. It's been a weird assumption that she would be relevant again ever since Shadowlands ended without any indication she could be brought back somehow.