The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[ChairmanKaga]

someone said the new nightmare mount is a reference to "war against the nightmare", an event happened after wotlk and before cata. so yeah, cata classic

What event are you talking about? Do you mean The Ruby Sanctum raid?

[Sondrelk]

wasn't the warpstalker tied to the releas of BC classic? It makes sense as it is an unique creature found in outland that was never made into a mount and could be a nifty reward in retail and BC clasic

Cata Classic is always a possibility. And if it isnt, then a dragon mount makes sense for WotLK Classic.

Or of course, just a regular mount given to players in 10.2. Wouldnt be the first time we get a mount that looks painfully outdated from current content.

[Reive]

What event are you talking about? Do you mean The Ruby Sanctum raid?

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/War..._the_Nightmare

[ChairmanKaga]

Would have been nice to see that in game in some capacity.

[Ersula]

It looks like a pre-Cata mount, is the justification I imagine they had. The warpstalker mount in TBC I faintly remember was chosen for being a mount that could be easily ported into TBC, not really because it made sense for the story.

I'm betting its the 19th anniversary present. They just decided to add the reward to both versions of the game this year.

I seriously doubt 10.2 would be 3 days after Blizzcon. It's more likely the 7th. But who knows?

Edit: I meant "before Blizzcon".

Four major patches were released less than two weeks before Blizzcon. While a major patch has never been released less than two weeks after Blizzcon. So there's precedence.

I think you misunderstand what the post is proposing there. Not adding High Elves to retail but a third rail of WoW Retail, Classic (Cataclysm) and Classic+. The idea here being the Dark Portal did not open and this Classic+ goes in a different direction.

If they really wanted to give people a new story to undo some decisions, they'd just do it with time travel. If they reintroduced talent trees & that didn't convince people to try retail, they would have accepted those people as impossible to please and any more effort trying to appeal to them is a waste of time.

[Skildar]

I think I could get behind a classic expansion designed to tell us all the stories that have occured between wotlk and cataclysm. It could give players that enjoy classic gameplay some sweet moments.

[pacotaco]

https://x.com/mrgmyt/status/1706774792597324160?s=46

UHHHHHHHHH

What extra mounts have been added for classic in the past?
- The warp lizzard for the TBC Classic
- The tuskarr kite for the WotLK Classic

(I don't remember if they added one for Vanilla)
So this one is probably for Cata Classic or a 6month promo (like the exclusive pets they added in previous ones)

[ChairmanKaga]

If they really wanted to give people a new story to undo some decisions, they'd just do it with time travel. If they reintroduced talent trees & that didn't convince people to try retail, they would have accepted those people as impossible to please and any more effort trying to appeal to them is a waste of time.

I don't know about others but Classic+ appeals to me because I don't have any interest in retreading TBC, Wrath etc. I would enjoy the "what if" scenario.

[MCMLXXXII]

I would like if they turned back time. Not to the point of Vanilla WoW but to the end of Warcraft 2 or beginning of Warcraft 3. Would be fun to play the Siege of Dalaran in WoW.

[Ferlion]

I'm almost certainly reading too much into it.

https://twitter.com/TheWindstalker/s...74359271182554

But that's such an odd way to put it.

"We can't way to reveal what's next" is what I'd expect to say for an expansion.
"We are really looking forward to sharing our future at Blizzcon!" sounds like it's bigger. Longer lasting. Different.

I really am still leaning towards a revamp, as it would fit the bill. But I'm always happy to be wrong. Even when I'm looking forward to said revamp. Just seems odd wording is all.

[Catastrophy349]

Every day, we get closer and closer. HYPE train!

[Hitei]

TBC wasn't trying to be deep, like BFA or SL. The writing back then didn't try to be hollywood level writing

Yeah, instead it was just unapologetic garbage. Hence why modern expansions are much better written, because they are hit and miss instead of nothing but misses.

And what's wrong with Malygos being like that? He falls more inline with how the dragons used to act towards mortals back then.

Sure. I guess if you completely ignore that in BC and Wrath we got along fine with the Bronzes, and we also got along fine with the Reds, Greens, and even some of the Black dragons in the same expansion. Totally in-line with how the dragons used to act! Y'know, ignoring that he's literally fighting against Alex's brood in that expansion Northrend because he so out of line.

ICC had a Horde vs Alliance encounter and MoP ended with the Siege of Orgrimmar, so I don't know why you're mentioning Varian not caring about the Horde.

ICC had a Horde vs Alliance encounter that Varian went "lol, nah it's fine!" immediately after because Saurfang's song died at the Wrathgate. MoP ended with the Siege of Orgrimmar, an instance where the Alliance helps the Horde retake its own city (for themselves) from Garrosh' Kor'kron, after spending weeks donating supplies to the Horde's efforts.

If the current and recent writing is "okay", the writing in older expansions was just trash. It's wild how old=good, new = bad people bend over backwards to whine about recent villains being mustache-twirling when Arthas unironically has four different Sunday morning cartoon "I'll get you next time!"/"I'll let you live for now, muahaha" speeches in Wrath questing; or complain about how Zovaal being the one who got the Nathrezim to use the Helm of Domination and Frostmourne "ruining da lore" while BC sits there as a pile of completely nonsensical retconning; just look at the absolute farce of people complaining about Danuser self-inserting into a minor antagonistic character while Metzen was busy writing an entire expansion about how his Moses-Christ self-insert is the magical bestest hero shaman of the entire world, champion of the elements, pseudo-dragon-aspect, warchief of the Horde, and prophesized savior of Orc kind.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I'm almost certainly reading too much into it.

https://twitter.com/TheWindstalker/s...74359271182554

But that's such an odd way to put it.

"We can't way to reveal what's next" is what I'd expect to say for an expansion.
"We are really looking forward to sharing our future at Blizzcon!" sounds like it's bigger. Longer lasting. Different.

I really am still leaning towards a revamp, as it would fit the bill. But I'm always happy to be wrong. Even when I'm looking forward to said revamp. Just seems odd wording is all.

I wouldn't get too confident. They're a large company, so they're bound to overstate things.

So, people actually believe that the "Awakening" (Classic+) "leak" is real because the person who wrote it said, "Chris Metzen is the main head behind the project?"

It's more believable now, I suppose, though I'm a bit skeptical.

[Hitei]

I'm almost certainly reading too much into it.

https://twitter.com/TheWindstalker/s...74359271182554

But that's such an odd way to put it.

"We can't way to reveal what's next" is what I'd expect to say for an expansion.
"We are really looking forward to sharing our future at Blizzcon!" sounds like it's bigger. Longer lasting. Different.

I really am still leaning towards a revamp, as it would fit the bill. But I'm always happy to be wrong. Even when I'm looking forward to said revamp. Just seems odd wording is all.

There's probably just some other warcraft IP game in the works, or whatever the Vendor 4 or whatnot build is.

[Reive]

I'm almost certainly reading too much into it.

https://twitter.com/TheWindstalker/s...74359271182554

But that's such an odd way to put it.

"We can't way to reveal what's next" is what I'd expect to say for an expansion.
"We are really looking forward to sharing our future at Blizzcon!" sounds like it's bigger. Longer lasting. Different.

I really am still leaning towards a revamp, as it would fit the bill. But I'm always happy to be wrong. Even when I'm looking forward to said revamp. Just seems odd wording is all.

yeah that or something else warcraft related. i remember ybarra mentioning metzen under the tweet of a guy asking for a warcraft version of arcane. personally, i'd like a warcraft themed solo rpg game like skyrim

[Ferlion]

There's probably just some other warcraft IP game in the works, or whatever the Vendor 4 or whatnot build is.

The Windstalker is, specifically, World of Warcraft. Not Warcraft. And the release said Metzen is focused on World of Warcraft at the moment.
This isn't to say I dont think they have another Warcraft game to announce, more than because of the people involved saying things how they are saying it, I think it's WoW related.

It could be the Vendor 4 build. But I mean, honestly, new game/ projects are equally as exciting.

[Swnem]

Cata did also have 6 completely new zones alongside Hyjal though, so effectively the same amount of work to create new zones alongside the world revamp.
A new world revamp doesn't have to make the same mistake. Just focus on the actual revamped zones and don't make new zones at all.

Also, you say 50 zones, but most of those are much smaller than modern zones, and it's not like modern zones have voice acting for every single quest anyways.
If we assume the old idea I had for merged zones (narratively, not necessarily mechanically), then you could have stuff where for instance Westfall and Duskwood are the only zones with main campaign questlines and voice acting, and Redridge mountains are just for side quests, and therefore without voice acting.

Beyond that you probably have to consider zones that maybe won't be updated, or really touched on at all. Vashj'ir is unlikely to get updates, or any new content at all from that matter. Deepholm is almost certainly being ignored completely. Uldum doesn't necessarily need any updates at all to look decent.

You think making HS assets is the same as making SD assets for Cataclysm? Still the result of all that was a world no one cared for and huge end game content draught. There is a reason why Cataclysm was the start of WoW's decline.
Seeing people wishing for a Cataclysm 2 is mind blowing.

[Ferlion]

I wouldn't get too confident. They're a large company, so they're bound to overstate things.



It's more believable now, I suppose, though I'm a bit skeptical.

As for Metzen coming back, that could have just listened to T&E and the other content creators who have said "Hey, metzen is way more involved now than he was before, he's one of the top guys"

[Sondrelk]

You think making HS assets is the same as making SD assets for Cataclysm? Still the result of all that was a world no one cared for and huge end game content draught. There is a reason why Cataclysm was the start of WoW's decline.
Seeing people wishing for a Cataclysm 2 is mind blowing.

Cataclysm without it's two main issues.
One, don't destroy every zone, but rather make them evergreen so you can reuse them again later.
Two, don't make additional endgame zones, but rather have all endgame content in the revamped zones. Cataclysm only used the old zones for levelling, which was a complete waste.

[Swnem]

your questions have already been answered
keep ignoring and being stubborn if you like

or just assume you're against it for whatever reason and move on

Oh i'm against it cause it's a terrible idea. No doubt about that.
Ya'll will also be leaving the game 1 month in once you have no content and saying how lazy Blizz is for reusing assets.

Funnily i have not seen the question answered. People are just saying "nah-huh" even though the staggering amount of work needed to pull it off is still there.
The argument is "oh they got a new support studio now". Like that is nearly enough.
Another argument is "some zones are smaller". Even if you do zones 1 to 1, it is still more than double current expansions. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In all honesty, you have unrealistic expectations that Blizz will never meet and Cataclysm was a disaster. Why want that disaster again? I don't get it. Peeps don't learn.

- - - Updated - - -

Cataclysm without it's two main issues.
One, don't destroy every zone, but rather make them evergreen so you can reuse them again later.
Two, don't make additional endgame zones, but rather have all endgame content in the revamped zones. Cataclysm only used the old zones for levelling, which was a complete waste.

So... slap world quests around all zones and have some small updates? I don't think we need a new expansion to do that.