The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[flan1337]

https://x.com/Portergauge/status/170...325780605?s=20 Hot stuff

This is pretty big - I didn’t even know you should drain elemental lords powers like wtf.

Could he take away flame abilities from shamans if he became the temp fire lord? Haha

[Woggmer]

Not mention that this was arround the MOBA Frenzy ERA start, many of my mmo friends stoped playing mmo in favor of moba games.

I would say that's a little after around 2012issh maybe 2013, and then by 2016 it progressed to the hero shooter... and around 2018 to 2019 was the popularity around the Battle Royale.

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I have to say, one thing I hate about WoW's version of things, I hate that kobolds are those rat people.

I want my little gremlin dragon-wannabes. No, dracthyr don't cut it.

...Wouldn't Dungeons and Dragons sue Blizzard at that point if that was the case?

Also kinda weird that there isn't any connection between the Niffen and Kobolds. I don't mean like they're related, I mean like if they're friendly or not with the Kobolds.

[flan1337]

With metzen back how much of the 5E RPG book he made is going to sneak into wows lore?

Anyone read this before? Auroboros: Coils of the Serpent: Worldbook - Lawbrand RPG https://a.co/d/1bR38WU

[Chickat]

11.0 just got a whole lot better with Metzen. But it might take longer to notice since expacs take years, so he may be too late for 11.0. But it went from a hell no to a maybe! Ty Blizz for listening to the customers who made you.

Well hes been back 9 months and the next expansion is still 12-14 months away. Nearly 2 years working on 11.0 is enough to change a lot. Maybe not the major theme, but all the tonal and zone storylines can 100% be changed my Metzen.

[Kiivar86]

...Wouldn't Dungeons and Dragons sue Blizzard at that point if that was the case?

Also kinda weird that there isn't any connection between the Niffen and Kobolds. I don't mean like they're related, I mean like if they're friendly or not with the Kobolds.

So long as they're different enough it should be find. Don't even need to call them kobolds, honestly.

I mean, they haven't gone after them over the beholders and those are among D&D's more iconic monsters.

[Woggmer]

So long as they're different enough it should be find. Don't even need to call them kobolds, honestly.

I mean, they haven't gone after them over the beholders and those are among D&D's more iconic monsters.

The Beholder in D&D vs the WoW one is different in that a Beholder has eyes at the end of each tentacle.. while the WoW version just has the one eye and multiple tentacles.. even the older WoW version had one big eye and several mini eyes around the body.

The closest we have to what D&D kobolds look like are the Draknoid Hatchlings.. like that one battle pet you'd get if you pre-ordered Dragonflight. Which already have the Goblin's model skeleton.. so they'd have to make a variant that is more reptilian and less dragon looking.

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[Chickat]

Wowhead is wrong btw, it's only 5 weeks of timewalking, not 6. So the new patch will prolly be on November the 1st, with the new raid 1-2 weeks after that (and after Blizzcon).

They wont launch the patch a day or two before Blizzcon imo. Im guessing patch is Nov 7th with raid a week later.

[Ebonn]

That, and the fact that Blizzard might push out a new class earlier than normal in order to broaden the support role in future raiding content and not have it completely rely on Augmentation. If that happens, that class would be a prime candidate for inclusion.

That’s actually a very good point. Being that it is tech based and brand new, it could easily fill any role they wanted it too. Hell, they could even make it involve music if they wanted to appease the bard people. (I hope they don’t…) That class could easily fill melee or ranged dps, tanking, healing, or support dps depending on how it was designed. And if they DO indeed go underground, and involve more Goblins and Dwarves and (hopefully(personally)) Gnomes, it’s a really really solid possibility the class gets added with it after years and years of fans talking about it.

Also very possible they never add that class because of the controversy ha.

[Kiivar86]

The Beholder in D&D vs the WoW one is different in that a Beholder has eyes at the end of each tentacle.. while the WoW version just has the one eye and multiple tentacles.. even the older WoW version had one big eye and several mini eyes around the body.

The closest we have to what D&D kobolds look like are the Draknoid Hatchlings.. like that one battle pet you'd get if you pre-ordered Dragonflight. Which already have the Goblin's model skeleton.. so they'd have to make a variant that is more reptilian and less dragon looking.

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As I understand it WotC (or Hasbro I guess? WotC in the past at least) was pretty litigious with anything close to it but fair enough. And I admit my own ignorance in things as I just kinda figured kobolds in general were draconic to some degree but a wiki dive has since told me I'm very much wrong and kobolds are honestly pretty varied with versions of them being just kinda gremlins, small human-like sprites, their names were apparently the root for goblins even, and even some canine-like ones (those seem to be the version Japan prefers which are derived from Record of Lodoss War which themselves are derived from earlier D&D versions).

So yeah, seems I'm mistaken.

...still want my draconic goblins though.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

This is pretty big - I didn’t even know you should drain elemental lords powers like wtf.

Could he take away flame abilities from shamans if he became the temp fire lord? Haha

A shaman only needs one elemental to grant them power like we used to get in the classic quest so even if the fire lord did try and stop shamans it would just take a single elemental ignoring his order to make it has no effect.

[Revamp Man]

Wowhead is wrong btw, it's only 5 weeks of timewalking, not 6. So the new patch will prolly be on November the 1st, with the new raid 1-2 weeks after that (and after Blizzcon).

So they launch a patch a few days before Blizzcon

Sure...and the world revamp won't be a few zones at a time

[Nymrohd]

So long as they're different enough it should be find. Don't even need to call them kobolds, honestly.

I mean, they haven't gone after them over the beholders and those are among D&D's more iconic monsters.

They cannot sue over kobolds because kobolds were part of the Open Gaming License and its successor texts and were never copyrights. After all most D&D monsters have to some extent a basis in real world myths so Hasbro or previous owners would never have been allowed to establish a copyright on them. And as said, even if they could they waived that right when they included them in the SRD or other similar texts. Beholders and Mind Flayers are a different case (were never under an open license) and Blizzard has to an extent used both which suggests that Hasbro is not interested.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Some (non-spoilery) updates to kiosk (BlizzCon demo) mode this build, so to nobody's surprise it looks like we're getting a playable demo at BlizzCon. It was also updated from being limited to only Bastion to the Emerald Dream (placeholder while they work on it/test it, I guess).

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Playable ogres, i still believe.

[Polybius]

"Highly exaggerated"


No one told me. I was there. It was terrible. The decline of WoW started with Cataclysm. Game lost 4m subs in a single expansion.
So, let's double down i say.

It's not 4M subs there, and 11M to 9M is not significant enough to sound the alarms (it's within 2 StDev of the average) and call it terrible, especially for a live-service game. You were just part of the group of people who didn't like Cataclysm.

[Sondrelk]

"Highly exaggerated"


No one told me. I was there. It was terrible. The decline of WoW started with Cataclysm. Game lost 4m subs in a single expansion.
So, let's double down i say.

Or an alternative reading is that the decline of WoW started with WotLK, since that is when the game no longer managed to gain more subscribers than it lost.

[Luck4]

I know the thread drifted a bit from the speculation stuff, but now that we're nearly 30 days away from the announcement if I had to bet into something, I would go with this:



Sadly, no Revamp again, my fellow world revampers. Maybe next time?!

Only another two years or so will tell...

I only hope 11.0 will not have a Master Voidlord, who was behind everything void-related stuff that happened since "only God knows when", if you know what I mean.

[Kiria]

Trading post from the looks of it.

Wastewander outfit's trading post too.

Phew that kills the idea of a Underground Goblin/Gnome centric expansion, will take this reward though

[Polybius]

Or an alternative reading is that the decline of WoW started with WotLK, since that is when the game no longer managed to gain more subscribers than it lost.

Pretty much, I recall the newcomers being part of the reason for easier, streamlined content (i.e. Cata Heroic nerfs). It can be interpreted many ways so I wouldn't place much weight into it. Legion was one of the better expansions and it likely never reached WoW's peak numbers. Likewise, other games have never reached these metrics, doesn't mean they're terrible.

[Makorus]

I hate to use the actual word so I won’t… but that Warcraft video of the Gnome and Goblin man. I dunno… if anything has ever tried to hint at a special tech class, that is it right there. More than anything, this is convincing me Undermine is coming in some form lol.

I wouldn't take it TOO seriously.

It's Gnome/Goblins used as comedic relief as a reference to this ad for the NE/Undead heritage armour.

Because they are short. (But some people might argue that Gnome/Goblins are not used for comedic relief!)

[pacotaco]

Assuming "frost phoenix" means the Sapphire Skyblazer, that's the same rig used for all the newer raptor (bird) mounts. Like the Zenet Hatchling.

They're literally the djaradin phoenix, but painted blue. The cat is probably a scrapped concept for the Emerald Dream patch.