The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Chickat]

https://x.com/TheWindstalker/status/...271182554?s=20

Put an orc on it is insteresting wording isnt it. Kinda confirms an orc heavy or at least thrall heavy exapsnio imo.


World revamp, and Lightforged Draenor invasion? Could explain the data mined new manafield from Ethereals.

Would also be a fun time to add Ethereals as a neutral race.

[Worldshaper]

These are Il'gynoth's whispers from the Ny'alotha raid, so shortly before Shadowlands and Dragonflight.

These concern Shadowlands

Before the last shadow falls, the father of sleep shall savor his feast.
The golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness.
When their mistress beckons, nine ravens take flight. Each seeks a prize to earn her favor.
The cunning ones kneel before six masters, but serve only one.

These concern Dragonflight

The vassal of life disguises treachery. Beware the eyes of green.
Five lanterns now darkened. The flames they seek will light the Masters' way.
The blind queen wields a scepter of bone. From the deep, she calls forth doom.

What I believe is going on, is this

• We're still on the lookout for a betrayal, the question is just who the betrayer is.
• The Oathstones of the Dragon Isles have been lit, and this turn of events will help bring forth the Void.
• Queen Azshara is blinded by her ambition to create her Empire, and she's "wielding" Xal'atath (at the time still a blade). In the end, her actions will bring about the doom of our world.
• Xal'atath is a scepter of bone (figuratively), because she is the 5th Old God that has been assosciated with Life and Death in the art of Chronicles. Now, whether Xal'atath has taken her power from Azeroth by tapping into the world-soul, or if her powers are hers innately, remains to be seen. But I would bet on the former being true. Either way, the fact that Amirdrassil is a tree created from Life and Death is noteworthy with this in mind.

Here's the REAL history of Azeroth, as I see it

The power of Azeroth was tapped into by the Old God Xal'atath and later (somewhat) passed on to Yogg-Saron when the other Old Gods consumed their sister. This power was then put on display with The Curse of Flesh and Galakrond.

Part of Xal'atath's essence was preserved within The Black Blade of the Empire, which ended up in Queen Azshara's hands. For thousands of years, they plotted to overthrow N'Zoth and restore Xal'atath as the one to usher in the Hour of Twilight. N'Zoth attempted to do it using Deathwing, but was ultimately successful.

Xal'atath learned from N'Zoth's mistakes, and realised that the Dragon Aspects were key to ensuring victory. They are the ones who stopped it the last time (during Cataclysm). This time, they wouldn't be there to help. She'd undermine their entire relationship with the Titans, by employing the enemy of her enemy - the Primal Incarnates.

It remains to be seen if there is some type of betrayal. For example, if Queen Alexstrasza turns against the Titans, or if Vyranoth has acted as a double agent and is working to undermine the Aspects. Perhaps being empowered by the World Tree won't enable them to stop the Void, or maybe it's all about luring out the Titans and dealing a final blow against them that's the plan.

Iridikron has now successfully claimed the essence of Galakrond, which is indirectly (via Yogg-Saron) the esence of Xal'atath.

All that remains is to lay claim the dark heart which lies broken, whether that's Xal'atath's own heart, that of Azeroth, or of somebody else. Then the Hour of Twilight is a fact.

[Makorus]

The Ilgynoth whispers are Blizzards best creation because they create so much discussion by just being some vague sounding BS that could apply to a Million different things.

Every single quote has been solved in every single expansion, somehow. Five lanterns turned from Pillars of Creation Covenants to Oathstones. Vassal of Life turned from Bolvar to Ysera to Malfurion to now Alexstrasza. The Blind Queen turned from Sylvanas, to Azeroth, to Tyrande, to Azshara, to any female character.

Then we get whispers like "The lord of ravens will turn the key" or "The boy-king serves at the master's table. Three lies will he offer you" which I don't think will ever become relevant, or haven't been relevant.

They should give whoever wrote those a raise because they certainly got their money worth.

[Worldshaper]

The Ilgynoth whispers are Blizzards best creation because they create so much discussion by just being some vague sounding BS that could apply to a Million different things.

Every single quote has been solved in every single expansion, somehow. Five lanterns turned from Pillars of Creation Covenants to Oathstones. Vassal of Life turned from Bolvar to Ysera to Malfurion to now Alexstrasza. The Blind Queen turned from Sylvanas, to Azeroth, to Tyrande, to Azshara, to any female character.

Then we get whispers like "The lord of ravens will turn the key" or "The boy-king serves at the master's table. Three lies will he offer you" which I don't think will ever become relevant, or haven't been relevant.

They should give whoever wrote those a raise because they certainly got their money worth.

The reason why they are once again relevant, is because the text 'A Song of the Depths' bring up the torches again. Everything in that text is very literal and we can easily point to what most of it means, which by extension means the whispers aren't just nonsense.

[Dismayxz]

?

I think he's just using Classic audience to bait them into thinking something is coming and then go "HAH 'GOTTEM" after Blizzcon Opening Ceremony, honestly.

It just completely contradicts the Gamespot interview.

Got nothing against the guy, but do any of you actually think that most of these Statements he's making hold any substance towards anything that's going to happen? Why should he, on his own, be allowed to throw out not hints, but actual insinuations to direction so abundantly. It's just weird. He's not gonna be Blizzards golden child of Streamers that gets extra privileges above all others and he's probably also not in the Loop on anything without signing something that'd partially prevent these kinds of Tweets (his Tweets on the Bcon Topic/Xpac/Classic+ in general).

My money is simply on his usual shenanigans where he's just fishing for MMOC Reactions. Bait people en masse, then open the site on Stream sometime, laugh at his haters, laugh at the ones that believe it and fuck off till next Season.

[huth]

The reason why they are once again relevant, is because the text 'A Song of the Depths' bring up the torches again. Everything in that text is very literal and we can easily point to what most of it means, which by extension means the whispers aren't just nonsense.

Unless they aren't talking about the same torches. Il'gynoth does not have any kind of monopoly on those.

[Worldshaper]

Unless they aren't talking about the same torches. Il'gynoth does not have any kind of monopoly on those.

Sure, buddy.

"Five keys to open our way. Five torches to light our path."

"Five lanterns now darkened. The flames they seek will light the Masters' way."

*The Dragon Aspects, previously having lost their powers and had their Oathstones put out, arrive on the Dragon Isles and light up their five Oathstones.*

"As one storm recedes, another rises. The torches have been lit. The secrets he buried will strike as a dagger into the hearts of his kin!"

[micwini]

Got nothing against the guy, but do any of you actually think that most of these Statements he's making hold any substance towards anything that's going to happen? Why should he, on his own, be allowed to throw out not hints, but actual insinuations to direction so abundantly. It's just weird. He's not gonna be Blizzards golden child of Streamers that gets extra privileges above all others and he's probably also not in the Loop on anything without signing something that'd partially prevent these kinds of Tweets (his Tweets on the Bcon Topic/Xpac/Classic+ in general).

My money is simply on his usual shenanigans where he's just fishing for MMOC Reactions. Bait people en masse, then open the site on Stream sometime, laugh at his haters, laugh at the ones that believe it and fuck off till next Season.

Attentionseeking, basically. Also says enough if he's laughing and pointing at people reacting to his comments in this thread on his stream instead of showing himself in this thread and actually engaging. But such is the way of the cowardly neckbeard.

[Hitei]

Sure, buddy.

"Five keys to open our way. Five torches to light our path."

"Five lanterns now darkened. The flames they seek will light the Masters' way."

*The Dragon Aspects, previously having lost their powers and had their Oathstones put out, arrive on the Dragon Isles and light up their five Oathstones.*

"As one storm recedes, another rises. The torches have been lit. The secrets he buried will strike as a dagger into the hearts of his kin!"

There's six oathstones though.

Attentionseeking, basically. Also says enough if he's laughing and pointing at people reacting to his comments in this thread on his stream instead of showing himself in this thread and actually engaging. But such is the way of the cowardly neckbeard.

He does show up in these threads. Literally only to praise himself though.

[Worldshaper]

There's six oathstones though.



He does show up in these threads. Literally only to praise himself though.

The sixth is the Mother Oathstone, and it has not been relit as of the time of the Naga writing 'A Song of the Depths'.

[Hitei]

The sixth is the Mother Oathstone, and it has not been relit as of the time of the Naga writing 'A Song of the Depths'.

It's written before anything that happens in DF. It's a prophecy speaking about all the events contained within as future things that have to happen before their crap begins.

[huth]

The sixth is the Mother Oathstone, and it has not been relit as of the time of the Naga writing 'A Song of the Depths'.

Neither had the other oathstones, so by your logic, it cannot refer to them. They didn't write it 3 seconds before you found it on the isle.

[Auxis]

The White Lady took Ysera's soul in Val'sharah, and it ended up in Ardenweald. Did we ever learn more about that?

Oh and it's pretty interesting that Draenor also has a similar thing going, with "The Pale Lady" and a smaller, darker moon beside it.

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Has that been proven, or is it another one of those things where we assume it fits something and then the next expansion it turned out to fit something else?

The cunning ones (dreadlords) kneel before Six masters (the dreadlords infiltrating the 5 other cosmological forces), but serve only one (Death/Denathrius).

[Worldshaper]

It's written before anything that happens in DF. It's a prophecy speaking about all the events contained within as future things that have to happen before their crap begins.

It's a bit unclear, imo.

It sounds like a mix of past and present tense. I think this part is before they arrive on the Dragon Isles:

Rise, rise! Our Queen calls to us from beyond the Umbral Veil. She has transcended the Circle of Stars and basks in her eternal grandeur!

The time we have long awaited is nigh.

Even now, the Harbinger gathers the children of the first flesh to reclaim what was lost. They must remember their vows and serve those to whom they owe fealty.

While they toil in the deep places, we will journey to the shores of dragon lands, to the blessed isle where the Worldbreaker first embraced the whispers.

While this is in present tense:

As one storm recedes, another rises. The torches have been lit. The secrets he buried will strike as a dagger into the hearts of his kin!

The Harbinger speaks of a primal power that seeks the end of Order. Such rage can be bent to serve our ends.

A hunger lost to the ages will be reclaimed.

A dark heart left broken awaits the taking.

When these things come to pass, the Harbinger will fulfill the final prophecy and complete the awakening.

Only then shall our Queen return to reign over sea and sky and earth. We must make ready.

Rise, rise! Soon all that was hidden will be revealed.

That said, I will grant you that you could be right. If the text was written entirely before they arrived on the Dragon Isles, as a sort of call-to-arms for all Naga, then the torches may refer to something other than the Oathstones.

I think it also depends a bit on what the "storm" is. If it's Deathwing (the former Harbinger) making room for Xal'atath (the new Harbinger), then that makes it more likely the text is written a little while ago.

But if the storm refers to Razegeth, who was a very relevant character on the Forbidden Reach and at the start of the expansion, then that increades the chances that the second half was written after Razegeth's demise.

[Hitei]

It's a bit unclear, imo.

It sounds like a mix of past and present tense. I think this part is before they arrive on the Dragon Isles:



While this is in present tense:



That said, I will grant you that you could be right. If the text was written entirely before they arrived on the Dragon Isles, as a sort of call-to-arms for all Naga, then the torches may refer to something other than the Oathstones.

That part can't be present tense.

The "primal power that seeks the end of Order" is very clearly the Primalists and Incarnates, and they're talking about them purely through second-hand hearsay "the harbinger speaks of". Which means they haven't encountered them at all or even confirmed their existence, just heard that they hypothetically exist.

[Worldshaper]

That part can't be present tense.

The "primal power that seeks the end of Order" is very clearly the Primalists and Incarnates, and they're talking about them purely through second-hand hearsay "the harbinger speaks of". Which means they haven't encountered them at all or even confirmed their existence, just heard that they hypothetically exist.

You could be right. But I don't think it's for certain, because when we were on the Forbidden Reach, I'm not entirely sure that the Harbinger had started working with the Primal Incarnates yet. Correct me if I'm forgetting something, but I think the first evidence we had of a collaboration was in 10.1 or 10.1.5? Before then, we only knew that the Primal Incarnates were sneaking around the Dragon Isles with the intention of messing with the Dragon Aspects and freeing dragons from the Titan's grip. Even Vyranoth seems taken aback in 10.1.7 when she realises that Fyrakk has gone off the rails and no longer cares about Dragon liberation. It's like they had a plan at first which didn't involve the Void, and then at some point between 10.0.5 and 10.1.5 the Harbinger got in touch with Iridikron and his plans were altered.

But I'm not super convinced either way. The bit about "the secrets he buried" and the fact that Idirikron seemed interested in gaining entrance to Zarelek all along, could suggest that he was already in leagues with the Harbinger before the Forbidden Reach.

I'm just not sure when that would have happened, given he was imprisoned for 20K years before Dragonflight. He basically missed everything involving Deathwing and was only released very recently.

I think there's at least the possibility that the Naga made their way to the Forbidden Reach at the start of the expansion, and this happened roughly when the Primal Incarnates had been freed and started messing about. Their paths crossed and Iridikron's plans changed around the time Razegeth died. The fact that they lost the Vault of the Incarnates and that whole elemental push they had perhaps been banking on, might have impacted his reasoning. He grew desperate just like Deathwing, and reached out to the Void in a last ditch effort to win against the Titans.

[Reive]

what would you like to see next expansion in terms of features, theme, story?

[Hitei]

what would you like to see next expansion in terms of features, theme, story?

A second iteration of Torghast.

[micwini]

A second iteration of Torghast.

This. They should really try harder on getting a 1-5 player feature out that's not afraid to go wild while also providing challenge. Torghast started out good, but ended up getting more shit overtime (1-5 star rating, timer, etc). It was mostly fine if it wasn't forced as a weekly chore. It also lacked variation and they also put some restrictions on how many of certain buffs you could have which was a shame.

[zirr]

A second iteration of Torghast.

100% this. Torghast could have been great like MT. DF not having any of this feels like such a missed opportunity.. imagine if time rifts were something cool instead.