The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I think part of the problem is that we have posters here highly invested in a void expansion. Which is why they're clinging so strongly to clearly AI-generated pictures of a badly done shadow world, and completely ignoring evidence pointing in the opposite direction.

I mean, you talk like you're not the problem when you're the poster that gets into 10 pages long heated argues every few weeks, over your very much desired expansion themes and believes.

[Sondrelk]

Karesh and nathreza arent cosmic realms like the SL, they're ruined planets like OL, and OL was awesome.

Also SL was bad because of the story was handled like shit.

Outland was an integral part of WoW lore that the playable Orcs came from, and which was referenced several times in Vanilla, with the portal there being a massive landmark.

K'aresh is mentioned in a single zone back in TBC, and is the homeworld of an NPC only race who is only really used to justify Transmog.


The two couldn't be more different in terms of buildup. We would need at least a full expansion of hints for K'aresh to even make sense as a patch zone, much less an expansion.

[Teriz]

-Not underground
-Not underground
-Off doing void shit, not underground

Again, elemental stuff can relate to underground.

Old God stuff can also relate to underground, since most Old Gods are in fact imprisoned underground.

-One piece of "evidence"

-The technology isn't for "underground" zones it's the airlocks that allow seamless transition into a loaded zone

Again, I specifically remember Blizzard mentioned that Zalarek tech would be used for future underground content. Specifically the high ceilings and tunnels leading from surface zones to the underground zone. Perhaps I'm mistaken about that, but that is what I recall.

-Raf has never indicated any future content, Mecha kobols are in a different game by a different group of devs, wastewander gear is TRading Post (not an indication) and not underground, the wow twitter posts random shit constantly.

Which is why I said its random junk. However, it is strange that all of this goblin/mech themed stuff is dropping in a relatively short amount of time. It could be nothing, but it could be something.

So you have exactly one piece of evidence, that a content creator said on stream he thinks it's gonna be underground.

Nah, there's multiple pieces of evidence. No one said that this is 100% going to happen, merely that there is evidence to support the possibility of an underground expansion.

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Which is the same problem with some being highly invested in an Undermine/tech expansion based off of streamer comments and trading post gear.

And Thrall on the key art. And a predictor with 100% track record. And events in the game pointing in that direction. etc. etc. etc.

[Well Done Steak]

It has to be LvV...

Like there's been so much for showing between the two since legion's final patch.

The ONLY thing that's come up is a potential Titan threat but even then Iridikron confirmed that we'd have to deal with the void first before the Titans give a shit.

There's nothing else....

And again, it's now or never to bring in Yrel after the events of Dawn. I know some people don't like her, but the maghar quests set her up for a reason....

Otherwise blizzard could have simply not villain bat her or just have us recruited the MU Outland maghar instead.

Read the writing on the wall people, it's super fucking obvious.

[Teriz]

I mean, you talk like you're not the problem when you're the poster that gets into 10 pages long heated argues every few weeks, over your very much desired expansion themes and believes.

I wouldn't consider any back forth I've ever done to be "heated". I'm merely speculating with evidence.

[Shadowferal]

Maybe he can write a Chronicles 4 now.

Omg no...the Chronicles are garbage.

[Murlocos]

Yrelbelievers, can we agree that 11.0 is the last chance for her? It's going to be an unbelievable stretch if we're in 2025 and still talking about how a then-7 year old recruitment quest for one of the least popular allied races is still the secret lynchpin of the whole story everything has been leading up to.

[Sondrelk]

I think part of the problem is that we have posters here highly invested in a void expansion. Which is why they're clinging so strongly to clearly AI-generated pictures of a badly done shadow world, and completely ignoring evidence pointing in the opposite direction.

No less than you are ignoring evidence that makes an underground expansion unlikely by clinging to the words of a streamer with basically no confirmed leaks. And your idea that Thrall is immediately apparent as an underground expansion lead.

[Well Done Steak]

Outland was an integral part of WoW lore that the playable Orcs came from, and which was referenced several times in Vanilla, with the portal there being a massive landmark.

K'aresh is mentioned in a single zone back in TBC, and is the homeworld of an NPC only race who is only really used to justify Transmog.


The two couldn't be more different in terms of buildup. We would need at least a full expansion of hints for K'aresh to even make sense as a patch zone, much less an expansion.

Uh huh, that's why Pandaria exists right....

Obviously OL has more weight than karesh.

But karesh has something that OL didn't, and that's untapped potential.

Same reason as Pandaria.

[Teriz]

No less than you are ignoring evidence that makes an underground expansion unlikely by clinging to the words of a streamer with basically no confirmed leaks. And your idea that Thrall is immediately apparent as an underground expansion lead.

What makes an underground expansion unlikely after Blizzard gushing over their technical accomplishments with Zaralek Cavern?

[Shadowferal]

The two couldn't be more different in terms of buildup. We would need at least a full expansion of hints for K'aresh to even make sense as a patch zone, much less an expansion.

How much buildup did DF get?

[Sondrelk]

Yrelbelievers, can we agree that 11.0 is the last chance for her? It's going to be an unbelievable stretch if we're in 2025 and still talking about how a then-7 year old recruitment quest for one of the least popular allied races is still the secret lynchpin of the whole story everything has been leading up to.

Honestly, it's already been too long. It's been a weird assumption that she would be relevant again ever since Shadowlands ended without any indication she could be brought back somehow.

[Teriz]

Yrelbelievers, can we agree that 11.0 is the last chance for her? It's going to be an unbelievable stretch if we're in 2025 and still talking about how a then-7 year old recruitment quest for one of the least popular allied races is still the secret lynchpin of the whole story everything has been leading up to.

Yrel is definitely a possibility. The 10th year anniversary of WoD is a good time to bring her in as a villain.

[Well Done Steak]

Yrelbelievers, can we agree that 11.0 is the last chance for her? It's going to be an unbelievable stretch if we're in 2025 and still talking about how a then-7 year old recruitment quest for one of the least popular allied races is still the secret lynchpin of the whole story everything has been leading up to.

Yes, that part of my entire argument

[Worldshaper]

Here's what I'd like to know. Can anyone refute this theory?

TBC and Legion pretty much shared the same theme, as well as many of the same characters, locations, etc. WoD kinda picked up on a lot of the stories from TBC and then led into the story of Legion. After Legion, that theme kind of went away.

WotLK and Shadowlands pretty much shared the same theme, as well as many of the same characters, locations, etc. BfA kinda picked up on a lot of the stories from WotLK and then led into the story of Shadowlands. After Shadowlands, that theme kind of went away.

Right now, we're noticing that Dragonflight has kinda picked up on a lot of the stories from Cataclysm, and they're awfully similar in many regards. Therefore, it makes sense to assume that it will lead into 11.0, which will share a lot of the same themes, characters and locations as Cataclysm.

[Cheezits]

Yrel in the AU quest doesn't matter because they can bring her back at any time and people will know her from WOD. The Mag'har quest is just a nod ahead of time that when she does come back she'll be evil.

The expansion where she comes back properly will probably elaborate on why she turned, anyway, so it won't matter how long it has been.

[milkmustache]

What makes an underground expansion unlikely after Blizzard gushing over their technical accomplishments with Zaralek Cavern?

How do you go from "I recall them associating Zaralek tech with it being underground, but I'm unsure" to "GUSHING"? Please at least acknowledge how much you're stretching everything to fit your vision so we can move on and discuss where the current expansion may lead us

[Well Done Steak]

Honestly, it's already been too long. It's been a weird assumption that she would be relevant again ever since Shadowlands ended without any indication she could be brought back somehow.

We are literally in an expansion with time traveling Dragons.....

The time is NOW.

[Kiria]

The other thing to consider is Undermine will outright make people go "Nah" and quit, I don't think this theme is as popular as you think it is, especially off the back of Zaralek Caverns.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Yrelbelievers, can we agree that 11.0 is the last chance for her? It's going to be an unbelievable stretch if we're in 2025 and still talking about how a then-7 year old recruitment quest for one of the least popular allied races is still the secret lynchpin of the whole story everything has been leading up to.

I would like to see interaction between khadgar and Yrel given their last conversation.

There's potential for Geya'rah to go bloodthirst crazy based on her dialogue, but it would be again a character from the horde going crazy.