The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Well Done Steak]

So you disagree with these claims:

• Legion was caused by the events in WoD, with AU Gul'dan going to MU Azeroth to open the Tomb of Sargeras.
• Shadowlands was caused by the events of BfA, with Sylvanas harvesting souls for the Jailer by waging war and burning Teldrassil, before she out of desperation (after losing the war and the loyalty of her people) went to Icecrown and destroyed the Helm of Domination.

No I'm not... That's the connective tissue.

What I'm saying is that the comparisons I listed are begining and ends of their stories. What lead to them specifically just means the lore is a complex web of red string.

But again...

SL concluding the LK story.

Legion concluding the BL story.

DF the aspect story

BFA the faction story.

WoD -?????? Well the maghar already set the up the one loose end from AU Draenor.

[Sondrelk]

No.... Karesh is in the same situation as Pandaria. And we know what happened to Pandaria.

Come on man, lol...

Pandaria was also horribly received when it was announced, even if players changed their minds over time.
Since then we have additionally had Shadowlands. Which Ion mentioned as a lesson in why you don't go to such a limited themed area as an expansion.

So not only should Blizzard risk another poorly received expansion. They should spit on the face of the lessons they learned from Shadowlands and make an expansion based around an area that is both barely mentioned, and also described as nothing but Netherstorm.

Why take that risk when they could set an expansion on Azeroth. Slowly build up K'aresh as an important location. And then have a big blowout ending at the end like what they did for Legion and Argus?

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I wonder why, even when Danuser cites the Reclamation of Gilneas, we haven't seen a single updated Gilnean model?

We only tend to see updated models when they could be used in future content that is imminent.
Gilnean assets are probably the kind of thing we would only see in a World Revamp Alpha build.
If it's just the reclamation part then they probably wouldn't need new assets anyways.

[Well Done Steak]

Pandaria was also horribly received when it was announced, even if players changed their minds over time.
Since then we have additionally had Shadowlands. Which Ion mentioned as a lesson in why you don't go to such a limited themed area as an expansion.

So not only should Blizzard risk another poorly received expansion. They should spit on the face of the lessons they learned from Shadowlands and make an expansion based around an area that is both barely mentioned, and also described as nothing but Netherstorm.

Why take that risk when they could set an expansion on Azeroth. Slowly build up K'aresh as an important location. And then have a big blowout ending at the end like what they did for Legion and Argus?

Stop moving the goal posts, bro....

Pandaria was ill received because people thought it was too light hearted for WARcraft and looked like a kung fu panda rip.off.

Karesh is not the same as that and has much more "cool" potential and you know it.

[Kiria]

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I don't think you should assume that the majority of players feel the same way you do.

Well yeah the thing is I've been asking around about this and no one has actually thought an underground expansion would be interesting that I know also the same could be said to you aswell, you should not assume everyone wants an underground expansion and that announcing one would not come with consequences for Blizz.

[Well Done Steak]

For those unsure of how awesome a LvV could be....

Just check out this old fan concept.

https://thetwofoldlight.wordpress.com/

[Sondrelk]

Did any bronze or infinite dragon bring back all the AU baddies in Dawn in purpose? No, they were all random.

Same thing will happen with Yrel.

Obviously I don't know all the details but that's the jist.

I don't buy it. Your argument here is basically that it could happen, therefore it definitely will.
Again, Light vs Void, sure. But why would Yrel definitely be brought back?

[Teriz]

Well yeah the thing is I've been asking around about this and no one has actually thought an underground expansion would be interesting that I know also the same could be said to you aswell, you should not assume everyone wants an underground expansion and that announcing one would not come with consequences for Blizz.

It's not about what everyone wants, it's about what Blizzard wants to do next.

[Well Done Steak]

I don't buy it. Your argument here is basically that it could happen, therefore it definitely will.
Again, Light vs Void, sure. But why would Yrel definitely be brought back?

Because man, there no other time.... So it must happen.

The only way Yrel can come to us is via time travel. DF has the right stories to lead into it....

Again with the valdrakken NPCs...

Don't u think it's weird that an LFD is telling a velf that time is singular in purpose after we find out that the light is extremely narrow-minded and not as good as we were lead to believe?

Right after Yrel has been set up as a light crazed fascist

[Sondrelk]

Stop moving the goal posts, bro....

Pandaria was ill received because people thought it was too light hearted for WARcraft and looked like a kung fu panda rip.off.

Karesh is not the same as that and has much more "cool" potential and you know it.

Sure. I also know that players hated Shadowlands. I know the devs specifically said they didn't want to make expansions based around locations with an oppressive atmosphere.
And I know that K'aresh is mentioned in only one zone way back in TBC. With it being heavily themed around Void with Dimensius. And that its described as a desolate wasteland, if even that given the planet exploded.

Sure it could work, but so could any idea with even a shred of potential, and we don't see entire expansions set inside of Orgrimmar, but it wouldn't be a good idea.

[Kiria]

It's not about what everyone wants, it's about what Blizzard wants to do next.

Well if they want to decimate their playerbase further so be it, but you cannot say this is what everyone wants, and at the end of the day the customer is king.

[Sondrelk]

Because man, there no other time.... So it must happen.

The only way Yrel can come to us is via time travel. DF has the right stories to lead into it....

Again with the valdrakken NPCs...

Don't u think it's weird that an LFD is telling a velf that time is singular in purpose after we find out that the light is extremely narrow-minded and not as good as we were lead to believe?

Right after Yrel has been set up as a light crazed fascist

Or Yrel is just forgotten about and we get someone else.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I wonder, do you guys think that flying from the beginning of next expansion is guaranteed or will they go back to pathfinder?

I know they will make dragonriding enabled for the old world, but at the same time i feel like they might at least for your first character lvl to use our ground mounts for some time.

[Teriz]

Well if they want to decimate their playerbase further so be it, but you cannot say this is what everyone wants, and at the end of the day the customer is king.

TBF, there's no way to tell what everyone wants, since every player is different. I wanted Dragonflight, but some people did not. I didn't want Shadowlands, but some people did. You're never going to satisfy the entire playerbase all of the time. At the end of the day, an enjoyable expansion can come from many sources. People need to just be a bit more open-minded.

[Well Done Steak]

Sure. I also know that players hated Shadowlands. I know the devs specifically said they didn't want to make expansions based around locations with an oppressive atmosphere.
And I know that K'aresh is mentioned in only one zone way back in TBC. With it being heavily themed around Void with Dimensius. And that its described as a desolate wasteland, if even that given the planet exploded.

Sure it could work, but so could any idea with even a shred of potential, and we don't see entire expansions set inside of Orgrimmar, but it wouldn't be a good idea.

Players hated SL because of the shit way it was handled, not because of the art or the setting.

Yes karesh is supposed to be a ravager waste land. But so was argus and get it still had Macaree, Oops I mean Eredath, as a complete contrast to all the fel shit.

So again, lots of untapped potential

[Sondrelk]

I wonder, do you guys think that flying from the beginning of next expansion is guaranteed or will they go back to pathfinder?

I know they will make dragonriding enabled for the old world, but at the same time i feel like they might at least for your first character lvl to use our ground mounts for some time.

Depends on the area, but if it's a World Revamp at least then I could see it being given at a later point in levelling, or even only at max level.

[Shadowferal]

Faction conflict has never been resolved.

[Well Done Steak]

Or Yrel is just forgotten about and we get someone else.

Then why bother making an entire playable race from AU Draenor when the same race exists in our MU Outland.

No, this was done for a reason. Villain batting Yrel was done purposely for reasons.

We know the light isn't all good and the only light villains we have are the scarlet's in our world, and they're not enough to carry a LvV exp for team light.

Turalyon is not a fascist like Yrel after witnessing how Xera treated illidan. If anything, Yrel is what turalyon could have been of not for Illidan. I mean the dude is married to a velf sooooo

[Worldshaper]

Players hated SL because of the shit way it was handled, not because of the art or the setting.

Yes karesh is supposed to be a ravager waste land. But so was argus and get it still had Macaree, Oops I mean Eredath, as a complete contrast to all the fel shit.

So again, lots of untapped potential

I hated SL in large part because of the art style and the setting. It was all very bleak and depressing, and most of all samey. Hardly anything changed between the Maw and Korthia aesthetically, and the same goes for Torghast and all the raids.

The questing zones had some amount of diversity, as did Zereth Mortis. But overall it felt much the same.

Legion got close to doing the same mistakes with the Broken Shore and Argus. But it also had the wonderful Broken Isles to break all of that up, plus some of the most beautiful raid dungeons of all time with Suramar and the Tomb of Sargeras.

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No I'm not... That's the connective tissue.

What I'm saying is that the comparisons I listed are begining and ends of their stories. What lead to them specifically just means the lore is a complex web of red string.

But again...

SL concluding the LK story.

Legion concluding the BL story.

DF the aspect story

BFA the faction story.

WoD -?????? Well the maghar already set the up the one loose end from AU Draenor.

I'll just take this as a "no, I cannot refute your theory".

[DiscipleofCazicThule]

I really feel people are overstating Thrall to fit their narrative. It could very well just be a way to announce Metzen back to the fold and nothing more and if he is prominent in the next expansion, it could literally be anything. He's the Horde poster boy and can be plugged into anywhere. Hell, he was at the start of Shadowlands even though it didn't do much else with him.

It would also be weird to finish an expansion where 3/4's of the big bads live. I don't see Fryak walking away like his earthy counterpart. I imagine he'll try and absorb Smolderon as a last ditch gambit before we snuff him out.

[Well Done Steak]

Faction conflict has never been resolved.

It has for the most part. That's why we can play with the opposite faction now.

Sure some npcs are still salty on both sides, but that's normal.