The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Reive]

Yeah kinda upset about that - is the overwatch world cup still a thing? Do people watch that? It should be half a hall.

ow league is still a thing. it's also decently popular i think

[Marlamin]

Noticed that as well - would make sense one for classic one for retail.

A "Corridor of Time" being inbetween the retail and classic demo areas makes sense in that case as well.

[Villager720]

Shamans are more likely than druids in DF itself. Besides a slight hint of Pandaren druids, there is no Druids for All stuff in the Dream patch, files, or story itself.

…what uh, what pandaren druid stuff did we see? Curious.

[Teriz]

Hrm. You think there will be another big patch where that happens or?

Cuz right now I'm under the assumption that 10.2 will be the final major raid.

Very possible, since there could potentially be another mega dungeon like Dawn of the Infinite where we kill him.

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Saying DF isn't mostly elemental, next to dragons ofcourse, is quite the take. We have Elemental dragons. An elemental pre patch. Every zone has one element as main influence and the list goes on.

I do believe the argument was literally that Dragonflight is an elemental expansion. Which is nonsense.

[Cheezits]

…what uh, what pandaren druid stuff did we see? Curious.

There is a World Quest where a little Pandaren is having a dream and creating monsters by accident in the Emerald Dream. You have to get rid of them.

There's also a few dialogues scattered around from Druids saying they had dreams about the Dream when they were young. which may be some new lore they are seeding.

If you combine the two things, then its implied that Panda is set to be a Druid when he grows up.

[Teriz]

Pretty sure at the time we didn’t know that the Drust were related to the realm of Death. We assumed they were related to the Dream as some of the Drust had founded the Thirnspeakers which were Kul Tiran Druids. Though I may be wrong and misremembering if it was confirmed they were Death related at the time.

Well Drustvar itself displays just how much the Drust involves death. It's all over that landmass.

The Bwonsamdi storyline was pretty much small fry. Certainly not enough for it to be considered the secondary theme of an expansion. It was a HvA expansion with the Old Gods as the secondary theme.

Bwonsamdi alone? No. Bwondsamdi alongside the Drust alongside Sylvanas using the war to collect souls for the Jailer does make it a secondary theme. Which is why BFA so easily led to Shadowlands.

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ofc they're dragons. it's just that in almost every cinematic they're in their humanoid/elemental form. it's easy to forget what they are tbh lol also, as @Hitei pointed out, there is a lot (too much) elemental stuff in df.

A lot of elemental stuff doesn't mean that it's an elemental expansion though. Everything elemental-based in this expansion is in service to the overarching dragon themes.

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They’re literally elementals.
Dragons came from elementals.

They're literally proto-dragons. They're simply infused with elemental power, just like the flights are infused with order magic.

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Ah, see, but what you actually meant to type was:

And yes, that is definitely "a take". "A take" here meaning, common fucking sense.

Yeah, you're clearly overblowing the influence of elementals in this expansion. If you want to believe that this is an elemental expansion instead of a dragon expansion with an elemental sub theme., that's your opinion and you're welcome to it.

[Nightshade711]

They're literally proto-dragons. They're simply infused with elemental power, just like the flights are infused with order magic.

To the point that they became Elementals again yes.

I don’t see how this expansion isn’t an elemental one.
Prepatch was an elemental invasion. Main villains are elementals/elemental cultists. So far 2/3 raids are heavily themed around elementals with the next patch having us fight and kill the lord of fire.
Zones are heavily involving the elements… the list goes on.


You want an elemental expansion? You’re playing one now.

[Ersula]

A "Corridor of Time" being inbetween the retail and classic demo areas makes sense in that case as well.

A WoW Corridor of Time Installation 100% points to either a multiverse themed expansion or an old world revamp.

They're literally proto-dragons. They're simply infused with elemental power, just like the flights are infused with order magic.

I'm beginning to thing you wouldn't accept an elemental themed expansion is elemental themed unless it has the Elemental Lords. Because we have a dragon made of fire summoning the firelands in order to burn up the world. They couldn't be more elemental if they tried.

[Revamp Man]

first tier was full elemental. raszageth was an air/lightning villain. aberrus was mixed. next tier is nature+fire.

we need to change theme tbh

Abberus is fire and fire and more fire

[Nightshade711]

I'm beginning to thing you wouldn't accept an elemental themed expansion is elemental themed unless it has the Elemental Lords. Because we have a dragon made of fire summoning the firelands in order to burn up the world. They couldn't be more elemental if they tried.

Funny thing is too that we even fight an elemental lord this xpac and it’s still not enough.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Some random thoughts about the "Fractures in Time" content patch and the theme/story behind it... while I am a huge fan of the Infinite Dragonflight, the power of time magic and dealing with alternate timelines (and the power/capability to mess with timelines), as well as the seeds that were planted with Iridikron stealing Galakrond's essence and what not...

...I do feel like the Infinite Dragonflight story being effectively done is a huge wasted opportunity to get Yrel and the Lightbound back into the game.

Sure, if there is a slim chance in hell that Yrel and the Lightbound *do* become a major plot point in any future expansion, Blizzard will make it work. I just think that maybe using the Infinite Dragonflight as the catalyst was the perfect way (given it's a dragon expansion at the moment).

[Villager720]

There is a World Quest where a little Pandaren is having a dream and creating monsters by accident in the Emerald Dream. You have to get rid of them.

There's also a few dialogues scattered around from Druids saying they had dreams about the Dream when they were young. which may be some new lore they are seeding.

If you combine the two things, then its implied that Panda is set to be a Druid when he grows up.

Nice. Thanks for the info!

[Teriz]

To the point that they became Elementals again yes.

I don’t see how this expansion isn’t an elemental one.
Prepatch was an elemental invasion. Main villains are elementals/elemental cultists. So far 2/3 raids are heavily themed around elementals with the next patch having us fight and kill the lord of fire.
Zones are heavily involving the elements… the list goes on.


You want an elemental expansion? You’re playing one now.

Again, an elemental sub theme with dragons being the main theme. Since everything in this expansion literally revolves around dragons. Even the porto-dragons you're mistaking for elementals.

[ro9ue]

On the small chance Eclipse is real (and even if it isn’t) what are peoples hopes/expectations for Avaloren’s theme?

I could see a Camelot themed landmass with WoW’s interpretation of Merlin, Morgen Le Fay, King Arthur, the round table and the Holy Grail. It’s a bit surprising we haven’t seen the WoW version of them yet.

I agree, Blizzard is kinda on-the-nose in their naming conventions. Clearly would be an Avalon analogue.

A WoW Corridor of Time Installation 100% points to either a multiverse themed expansion or an old world revamp.I'm beginning to thing you wouldn't accept an elemental themed expansion is elemental themed unless it has the Elemental Lords. Because we have a dragon made of fire summoning the firelands in order to burn up the world. They couldn't be more elemental if they tried.

I suspect its named that way because Warcraft/WoW anniversary will be a huge theme, and it will showcase a bunch of franchise highlights throughout the years.

[Teriz]

I'm beginning to thing you wouldn't accept an elemental themed expansion is elemental themed unless it has the Elemental Lords. Because we have a dragon made of fire summoning the firelands in order to burn up the world. They couldn't be more elemental if they tried.

Yes, in an expansion whose theme is one set of dragons trying to undo the work of the titans and seeking revenge against another set of dragons who embraced said titans' powers.

I'd imagine an elemental expansion actually involving Azeroth's elements. Not an evil dragon using elemental power to burn stuff.

Abberus is fire and fire and more fire

With a little Void sprinkled in for good measure.

[Ersula]

I suspect its named that way because Warcraft/WoW anniversary will be a huge theme, and it will showcase a bunch of franchise highlights throughout the years.

Except the anniversary isn't this year: It's next year. The year the expansion would actually come out. Making this attraction ultra conspicuous.

I'd imagine an elemental expansion actually involving Azeroth's elements. Not an evil dragon using elemental power to burn stuff.

Where do you think the Incarnate's power comes from? Draenor? Elements are Elements.

[Teriz]

Where do you think the Incarnate's power comes from? Draenor? Elements are Elements.

So is this a Titan expansion since the aspects are using order magic from the Titans? Titans are Titans right?

[milkmustache]

Where do you think the Incarnate's power comes from? Draenor? Elements are Elements.

It's literally impossible to win the argument, they'll defend anything that can inevitably twist into their underground expansion

[flan1337]

A WoW Corridor of Time Installation 100% points to either a multiverse themed expansion or an old world revamp.

might be over thinking it - I think its clever wording of the separation of the two demos. Instead of having a blank hallway they will just put every WoW box in order.

[Santandame]

So is this a Titan expansion since the aspects are using order magic from the Titans? Titans are Titans right?

Nope, it’s an elemental expansion.