The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Noirebene]

I think Khaz Algar is on Avaloren - but why whould that discredit a world revamp ?

It's fair to say a world revamp is either coming at 11.0 or 12.0 ; but I don't see Blizzard not adding any new landmasses.
Cataclysm had ones. And if we trust Ion, they don't want to do the "same mistakes with Cataclysm revamp" - those mistakes, according to me, were making a revamp all around the expansion theme and putting the new zones everywhere on the map.

We can be optimistic and wish for a new continent AND a (partial?) revamp.

[Sondrelk]

I think Khaz Algar is on Avaloren - but why whould that discredit a world revamp ?

It's fair to say a world revamp is either coming at 11.0 or 12.0 ; but I don't see Blizzard not adding any new landmasses.
Cataclysm had ones. And if we trust Ion, they don't want to do the "same mistakes with Cataclysm revamp" - those mistakes, according to me, were making a revamp all around the expansion theme and putting the new zones everywhere on the map.

We can be optimistic and wish for a new continent AND a (partial?) revamp.

My copium theory is that we get a world revamp, but with the endgame focused on Old Gods and Titans. We get heavy hints towards Khaz'algar, and its eventually the final patch zone or so.

[Teriz]

I wonder how much time we spent in Kul Tiras, Zandalar and Shadowlands.

The Ensorcelled Everwyrm was decidedly Bastion in its appearance. As for the heroic mounts for BFA, I suppose 1 out of 6 isn't bad.

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The focus will probably be Undermine, right?

Right?

Towelliee's prediction of us going underground is still in play.

[Santandame]

The Ensorcelled Everwyrm was decidedly Bastion in its appearance. As for the heroic mounts for BFA, I suppose 1 out of 6 isn't bad.

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Towelliee's prediction of us going underground is still in play.

They’re literally used throughout the entirety of Shadowlands as the means to travel between the various afterlives. Are you mistaking the Everywyrm for Larions?

But sure, ignore my earlier post regarding the CE mounts, which you were tagged in.

[Raetary]

My copium theory is that we get a world revamp, but with the endgame focused on Old Gods and Titans. We get heavy hints towards Khaz'algar, and its eventually the final patch zone or so.

But if Khaz Algar was a patch zone, why would they include it by name via the pre-order mount?

Whatever Khaz Algar is, it or at least a significant portion of it would have to be already present in 11.0.

[Reive]

So these are the rumoured locations.

Khaz Algar
Also known as Sector AR-938. Exists somewhere on Azeroth, but is far away from Uldaman.
Has a fissure that once turned Earthen into something culturally similar to Dwarves, but not physiologically. This is similar to the Curse of Flesh.
Has rideable creatures called "Algarian Stormriders", potentially dark and shadowy gryphons.

Avaloren
Has 'aggressive heretics' from the point of view of Watcher Perethales, that once did something punishable to the Titan Keeper Innaria.
At least at some point had defensive capabilities powerful enough to withstand the other Titan Keepers and their expeditions.
Exists somewhere beyond "our shores", and it hard to reach.
Expeditions sent there disappear, and end up crashing against "rock and wave".

"The west"
Lies behind western storms, monsters and magic.
Potentially has valuables.
For some reason, the pirate who went there (Captain Nightsquall) wants to amass a pirate fleet, and it begins with finding secrets on the Dragon Isles.

Undermine
Goblin mine that was built in the lava tunnels beneath the volcano Mount Kajaro, on Kezan.
Once contained a lot of Kaja'mite, the magical mineral that turned the Goblins intelligent (in an experiment by Mimiron).
Now a bustling trade hub.

I kinda feel like Khaz Algar doesn't have to be on the other side of Azeroth. It could probably just be a large zone somewhere near Kalimdor, or below the Undermine. Especially when you consider that the Keepers could actually send expeditions there (the Earthen), whereas Avaloren they simply could not reach.

Avaloren and "The West" might be one and the same, though. They might be a separate continent on the other side of the planet.

i don't see them waste all these new places in 1 expansion. each of these could be a new "continent"

[Teriz]

So these are the rumoured locations.

Khaz Algar
Also known as Sector AR-938. Exists somewhere on Azeroth, but is far away from Uldaman.
Has a fissure that once turned Earthen into something culturally similar to Dwarves, but not physiologically. This is similar to the Curse of Flesh.
Has rideable creatures called "Algarian Stormriders", potentially dark and shadowy gryphons.

Avaloren
Has 'aggressive heretics' from the point of view of Watcher Perethales, that once did something punishable to the Titan Keeper Innaria.
At least at some point had defensive capabilities powerful enough to withstand the other Titan Keepers and their expeditions.
Exists somewhere beyond "our shores", and it hard to reach.
Expeditions sent there disappear, and end up crashing against "rock and wave".

"The west"
Lies behind western storms, monsters and magic.
Potentially has valuables.
For some reason, the pirate who went there (Captain Nightsquall) wants to amass a pirate fleet, and it begins with finding secrets on the Dragon Isles.

Undermine
Goblin mine that was built in the lava tunnels beneath the volcano Mount Kajaro, on Kezan.
Once contained a lot of Kaja'mite, the magical mineral that turned the Goblins intelligent (in an experiment by Mimiron).
Now a bustling trade hub.

I kinda feel like Khaz Algar doesn't have to be on the other side of Azeroth. It could probably just be a large zone somewhere near Kalimdor, or below the Undermine. Especially when you consider that the Keepers could actually send expeditions there (the Earthen), whereas Avaloren they simply could not reach.

Avaloren and "The West" might be one and the same, though. They might be a separate continent on the other side of the planet.

We're definitely going to Khaz Algar, and its highly likely that it is an underground location, since Dwarves almost always build either underground or within mountains.

I'm not sure about Avaloren. Could be an added 3 zone location like Argus at the end of Legion. I have a feeling that it won't be part of the main expansion though, or might not get used at all.

Undermine is in quite the interesting spot. I can see it being a neutral faction hub for an underground expansion, or like Avaloren, not be used at all. I don't see how you do an underground expansion without it though. Its probably the only underground location in Warcraft that is both civilized and controlled by a neutral party.

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But if Khaz Algar was a patch zone, why would they include it by name via the pre-order mount?

Whatever Khaz Algar is, it or at least a significant portion of it would have to be already present in 11.0.

The Emerald Dream was directly tied to the Dragonflight heroic mount (Tangled Dreamweaver), and the Emerald Dream is a patch zone in the current expansion.

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They’re literally used throughout the entirety of Shadowlands as the means to travel between the various afterlives. Are you mistaking the Everywyrm for Larions?

Yes, it's essentially a taxi. It doesn't represent a location, and it only resembles one aspect of the Shadowlands.

[ZyntosAran]

Oh and another interesting fact...

In the Twilight Highlands, the Cataclysm zone arguably the most affected by the Old Gods, what themes did we have?

• Wildhammer Dwarves and Gryphon aviaries.
• Dragonmaw Orcs.
• Dragons (particularly Red and Black).
• Twilight Cultists attempting to usher in the Void.
• The Earthen Ring.
• Elementals bound to the Void.
• The Twilight Citadel, which is Cho'gall's chosen base of operations for the cult due to its proximity to the Old Gods below.
• Fissures in the ground with Void-energies seeping out of them.
• A great storm brewing on the horizon all around the zone.

I don't know about the rest of you, but to me this sounds like a description of 11.0.

As I've been theorizing for a long while, 11.0 will be a supercharged version of Cataclysm, just like Legion was to TBC and Shadowlands was to WotLK.

From Blizzard's point of view, that probably means they're looking at all the ingredients they had back then, and think to themselves: "Hmm, how can we do this, but twice as awesome?"

If it comes with a twice as awesome world revamp, i am all in.

[ChronoSul]

If we have a whole expansion based around a titan facility, then we should start looking for hints in the Hearthstone artworks to see what kind of stuff we could expect, like Norgannon's multocolor spells. Maybe we'll even see Amitus in game ?

Part of me wonders if Amitus will be Azeroth's true Identity but they didnt want to "reveal" her in Hearthstone they came up with another titan with an "A" name. Then again part of me also wonders if Azeroth wont have a name starting with A because all the titan facilities on Azeroth start with Uld making her true name start with an U instead. Using Argus & Antorus maybe proof of the naming scheme?

[enigma77]

I really hope it's the "other side of Azeroth" expansion.

[Teriz]

Part of me wonders if Amitus will be Azeroth's true Identity but they didnt want to "reveal" her in Hearthstone they came up with another titan with an "A" name. Then again part of me also wonders if Azeroth wont have a name starting with A because all the titan facilities on Azeroth start with Uld making her true name start with an U instead. Using Argus & Antorus maybe proof of the naming scheme?

Some ignorant people won't be able to handle that. However I'm all for it. She was awesome in hearthstone.

[micwini]

Hopefully its just a zone in the revamp expansion. I think having 'suddenly discovered island that was hidden away' #3 would be quite a bummer.
Especially if it happens twice in a row.

[Sondrelk]

But if Khaz Algar was a patch zone, why would they include it by name via the pre-order mount?

Whatever Khaz Algar is, it or at least a significant portion of it would have to be already present in 11.0.

Same reason I don't think it would be all that weird to have Argussian whatever's in Legion long before Argus was playable.

Obviously it would be weird, but maybe.
For that matter, we have not had a proper endgame only zone since Legion with Suramar, so maybe that could be it for Khaz'algar.

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Hopefully its just a zone in the revamp expansion. I think having 'suddenly discovered island that was hidden away' #3 would be quite a bummer.
Especially if it happens twice in a row.

Especially when the concept is so similar to the Dragon Isles. Just with Dwarves instead of Dragons.

Undiscovered island with Titan constructs/creations, old God undercurrents, and elementals.

[vintage79]

Some ignorant people won't be able to handle that. However I'm all for it. She was awesome in hearthstone.

its just a woke bullshit, not even a framework to build expansion around

[Nightshade711]

I’m expecting the Algarian Dwarves to be the cut Skardyn from Cataclysm that were supposed to be in Grim Batol.



It would make sense from what we know about them so far, especially if the rift the Earthen were sent to investigate turns out to be the remains of the 5th old god after all.

[towelliee]

I’m expecting the Algarian Dwarves to be the cut Skardyn from Cataclysm that were supposed to be in Grim Batol.



It would make sense from what we know about them so far, especially if the rift the Earthen were sent to investigate turns out to be the remains of the 5th old god after all.

errrmmm nice post

[Teriz]

its just a woke bullshit, not even a framework to build expansion around

So Blizzard deciding to make one of their titans Bronze instead of another metallic color is woke bullshit?

Hilarious.

[towelliee]

You guys are on fire today let me tell you.

[NikolaiShade]

It's interesting, because Xal'atath was responsible for the curse who turned these poor sods into what they are.

All is reduced to a simple question: are algarian earthen/dwarves allies or enemies? In both cases imho 11.0 will be a direct sequel to DF, I would guess something bad is going to happen (void related?) and we have to stop it, maybe it's happening in Avaloren and the algarian guys help us? Always assuming Khaz Algar is in Avaloren or below it

[Woke it Up]

My current theory on a cinematic.

pen wildhammer dwarf flying frantically in a storm
:starts falling towards the water
:elemental magic catches
:Thrall "a storm is gathering, it threatens the very earth we stand on, the skies darken and once again heroes must rise, united (and with account wide achievements)".

My biggest thing is metzen featuring as thrall as narrator. My theory is the west storm is expanding. This isn't a revamp expansion but it sets up one or possibly if we start with expeditions then full on expansions. And where's the best place to hide from a storm or at least staging a counter offensive? Underground.

I'd love to see united maps for continents. I think there's gonna be some Zelda diving into the earth depths style, or at least into deep chasms.

They also said that the third blizzcon event for guilds will be announced soon. I think that they will announce the last two 3/3.5 patches before blizzcon. Which will include some evergreen raid feature like + or solo raids which they will showcase and have playable.